Should Sikhs Celebrate Christ-Mas

[daljitsingha]

please see attachment leaflet

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[Koi]

I saw this and thought "are we really gonna do this again this year?", but nice leaflet

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Nice leaflet, but it's not going to change the minds of people who already do it.

[garch]

Does anyone other then a minority of 'Christians'that go church on xmas eve even really celebrate the birth of christ?

Most of the world just use it as an excuse to get together with family at one of the few common holidays, eat til they feel sick and show affection to each other by giving gifts.

Jesus or anything religious has little to do with xmas anymore.

There are far worse problems affecting our kaum/humanity then ↑

In the west I would prioritise each of the below over the xmas 'problem':

- Lack of funding for real parchar from gurughars

- lack of engagement/cooperation between sikh groups/jathe

- increasing promiscuity amongst 'sikh' youth

- lack of/poor qlty sikh education institutions

- not enough social justice drives at issues affecting non-sikhs

- lack of say on where gurughars spend our dasvandh

- too many gurdware in cities (dividing sikhs)

- granthis lacking skills/knowledge/facilties to advise sangat on personal difficulties

- lack of a forum where sikhs can create a common agenda then focus our efforts to attack those so to make some actual progress

- not an exhaustive list

I could probably paste this into most topics on this website.. folks shy away from dealing with the big problems and keep bickering over petty ones.

[JagsawSingh]

I actually think there's something wrong with Sikhs that produce leaflets like those and go on about "not celebrating Christmas". I say 'wrong' because, especially in countries like England, 99% of the population celebrate xmas because of Santa and kids presents and parties. Only about 1% even bother with any 'Jesus' element to it. And then you have some of our Sikhs, who seem to think 99.9% of the country are remembering Jesus. :surrender:

Its all really a bit silly. Sikh groups producing leaflets about Christmas and Christianity when the fact is 99% of the population couldn't care less about xmas's association with religion and Jesus. For the 99%, its all about Santa and fun for the kids and fun for them.

Frankly then, I can't help feeling that the leaflet producers and their supporters are stuck in a time warp from the 1940's and haven't quite grasped what century we're living in and the state of Christianity in the western world (apart from America of course....which is the saudi arabia of the western world)

[Balkaar]

Christmas isn't really about superstitions. Or Jesus for that matter, nor paganism, at least not anymore. What it is is a riotous celebration of capitalism, family and fun. One may object to the former themselves but I don't see that there's anything wrong with the latter two. My family and I enjoy Christmas. We don't worship graven images of Christ, we don't pay homage to the dryads and pixies living in our Christmas tree and we do not sacrifice turkeys on a blood spattered altar to the Christmas "deity" Santa Claus... That last suggestion alone is enough to render the whole of this ludicrous leaflet quite moribund.

[MisterrSingh]

Oh for f... a bit early for this kind of topic isn't it? ?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

I actually think there's something wrong with Sikhs that produce leaflets like those and go on about "not celebrating Christmas". I say 'wrong' because, especially in countries like England, 99% of the population celebrate xmas because of Santa and kids presents and parties. Only about 1% even bother with any 'Jesus' element to it. And then you have some of our Sikhs, who seem to think 99.9% of the country are remembering Jesus. :surrender:

Its all really a bit silly. Sikh groups producing leaflets about Christmas and Christianity when the fact is 99% of the population couldn't care less about xmas's association with religion and Jesus. For the 99%, its all about Santa and fun for the kids and fun for them.

Frankly then, I can't help feeling that the leaflet producers and their supporters are stuck in a time warp from the 1940's and haven't grasped what century we're leaving in and the state of Christianity in the western world (apart from America of course....which is the saudi arabia of the western world)

America is the place where people celebrate x-mas as Christ-mas, but in different parts of the country people just celebrate is as Santa Claus and St. Nicholas.

Oh for f... a bit early for this kind of topic isn't it? ?

It was Vaheguru's hukam that this topic started months before to prepare them to boycott it.

[Balkaar]

It was Vaheguru's hukam that this topic started months before to prepare them to boycott it.

You think God is conspiring against Christmas?

I like The Grinch too Jacfsing, but calling him Waheguru is a bit extravagant.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

You think God is conspiring against Christmas?

I like The Grinch too Jacfsing, but calling him Waheguru is a bit extravagant.

No, but everything that does happen is Hukam