Can You Be Sikh And A Feminist Or Not?

[jkvlondon]

When I was younger I was invited to a Freemason gathering at someone's house where all they seemed interested in was Tarot cards.

My mates Dad was a Freemason and quite high up in the Police force and my mate managed to get a job as a Fireman even though there were about 4000 applicants so you could well have a point.

My mate was quite open about the organisation and how it delved into the realms of the supernatural, I found it all quite fascinating but being a freedom sort of loving guy I turned down their offer

because I didn't like the idea of "once you join us you can't leave".

Now this was quite a while ago so like I say I don't really know how much power they have these days.

you dodged the bullet mate part of initiation of higher up is being sodomised ...just saying

[jkvlondon]

Not true. Darwinian evolution easily accounts for the existence of morality, without the presupposition of any godhead. Social cohesiveness was advantageous to our distant ancestors' survival, and therefore a distinguishing factor in natural selection. Social cohesion is after all only possible if the individuals who constitute a population are mindful of the well-being of those around them.

Freemasonry is not atheistic either. The cult has a rule which explicitly states 'No Atheist may be made a Freemason'.

you dodged the bullet mate part of initiation of higher up is being sodomised ...just saying

Darwin was a very religious guy so his slant is in his writings , if he was born now maybe he would have not even couched his theory that way ..

[Singhni MiriPiri]

If you want try and envisage the feminist utopia, look no further than Korea and Japan. There was a concerted cultural rebellion against traditional masculine values after the second world war by women, who began to prefer so called 'herbivores' (gentle and cautious men), men who were the antithesis of all that had once been expected of Japanese manhood. They began to desire men who would place them on a pedestal, who used cosmetics, were weak and vulnerable and felt an affinity for the feminine. Young men conformed to the expectations of women, and this was the result -

Women don't seem to be able to understand the lengths to which many men will go in order to gain their approval. This ^ is why we cannot allow feminist rhetoric to become the prevailing ideology of womanhood.

One of the reasons there is now a marked decrease in fertility in Japan, aside from an ageing population, is because men are too spineless to pursue women. When they actually do manage to secure a girlfriend they defer to her judgement in all things. The economy is suffering because they haven't the drive to pursue or advance their careers. Intake into the military is at an all time low. Purchase of cosmetics however, is at its historical zenith, rising further still.

Sikhi values the qualities of courage, strength and physical prowess. Feminism would deprive men of all of these. Therefore, the two cannot ever be compatible, to answer the OP's question.

Wow. I am actually shocked that people here are going as far as insulting other cultures when they know nothing of the people and culture. East Asian men are generally very nice people. They are naturally softly spoken, polite and family-oriented people. Maybe the Japanese women began to prefer the kind Japanese men due to the horrid war crimes committed by the (older) Japanese men during the world war. In regards to Korea, they are already an image-focused country where almost everyone gets plastic surgery, so if women are made to focus on beauty, why not the men? It's their culture, don't worry yourself over it. Also, all Korean men are required to join the army for two years, so they are probably far more physically strong than anyone here. In regards to feminism, Japan is very far behind in feminism but that is fine because they are nice people and I believe Vaheguru takes special care of innocent natured people. Turning effeminate doesn't change someone's sexuality, so if they are asexual it means they always were. For example, before the meiji era, the samurais were actually bisexual but they stopped homosexual behaviour due to western influence. I'm surprised that you fail to see beauty in people with innocent personalities but are instead insulting them for not fitting into your conditioned view of being a man but I guess I expect that of typical sikhs like yourself.

[eduardo]

you dodged the bullet mate part of initiation of higher up is being sodomised ...just saying

Well I'm even more happy I didn't join now. Jeez.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Wow. I am actually shocked that people here are going as far as insulting other cultures when they know nothing of the people and culture. East Asian men are generally very nice people. They are naturally softly spoken, polite and family-oriented people. Maybe the Japanese women began to prefer the kind Japanese men due to the horrid war crimes committed by the (older) Japanese men during the world war. In regards to Korea, they are already an image-focused country where almost everyone gets plastic surgery, so if women are made to focus on beauty, why not the men? It's their culture, don't worry yourself over it. Also, all Korean men are required to join the army for two years, so they are probably far more physically strong than anyone here. In regards to feminism, Japan is very far behind in feminism but that is fine because they are nice people and I believe Vaheguru takes special care of innocent natured people. Turning effeminate doesn't change someone's sexuality, so if they are asexual it means they always were. For example, before the meiji era, the samurais were actually bisexual but they stopped homosexual behaviour due to western influence. I'm surprised that you fail to see beauty in people with innocent personalities but are instead insulting them for not fitting into your conditioned view of being a man but I guess I expect that of typical sikhs like yourself.

you'd still have to admit that it has a porn problem.

[MisterrSingh]

you'd still have to admit that it has a porn problem.

Yep, they have incredible issues when it comes to sexuality, even hetero norms. But that could also be because we're viewing it from our perspective.

[Singhni MiriPiri]

you'd still have to admit that it has a porn problem.

I'm more concerned of sexual crimes. If what you are talking about is hentai, even japanese people look down on otakus but yes Japan does have a massive sex sub culture but that is just the norm to them.

[Balkaar]

Wow. I am actually shocked that people here are going as far as insulting other cultures when they know nothing of the people and culture. East Asian men are generally very nice people. They are naturally softly spoken, polite and family-oriented people. Maybe the Japanese women began to prefer the kind Japanese men due to the horrid war crimes committed by the (older) Japanese men during the world war. In regards to Korea, they are already an image-focused country where almost everyone gets plastic surgery, so if women are made to focus on beauty, why not the men? It's their culture, don't worry yourself over it. Also, all Korean men are required to join the army for two years, so they are probably far more physically strong than anyone here. In regards to feminism, Japan is very far behind in feminism but that is fine because they are nice people and I believe Vaheguru takes special care of innocent natured people. Turning effeminate doesn't change someone's sexuality, so if they are asexual it means they always were. For example, before the meiji era, the samurais were actually bisexual but they stopped homosexual behaviour due to western influence. I'm surprised that you fail to see beauty in people with innocent personalities but are instead insulting them for not fitting into your conditioned view of being a man but I guess I expect that of typical sikhs like yourself.

I wasn't approaching the issue from a cultural perspective Bhenji, I was trying to advance an argument from a religious position. Because, like it or not, Sikhi does have certain views on what people should be like and how they should behave. If a Guru Ka Singh attired himself in the manner of the bloke whose picture I provided, it would not be a good thing.

We are not addressing the topic of sexuality either. I am a supporter of gay rights. In criticizing effeminate men, I am not criticizing homosexuals. It doesn't do to think in stereotypes.

[Singhni MiriPiri]

I wasn't approaching the issue from a cultural perspective Bhenji, I was trying to advance an argument from a religious position. Because, like it or not, Sikhi does have certain views on what people should be like and how they should behave. If a Guru Ka Singh attired himself in the manner of the bloke whose picture I provided, it would not be a good thing.

We are not addressing the topic of sexuality either. I am a supporter of gay rights. In criticizing effeminate men, I am not criticizing homosexuals. It doesn't do to think in stereotypes.

Of course because that is not the image of a sikh but what is wrong with a man behaving effeminate when it completely fine for a woman to be a tomboy. That is based on personality. Sikhi aside, I cannot see what is wrong with the japanese bloke in the picture. As a sikh we should be judging people by personality and character rather than appearance.

[Balkaar]

Yep, they have incredible issues when it comes to sexuality, even hetero norms. But that could also be because we're viewing it from our perspective.

Their awkward sexual proclivities aren't even symptomatic of sexual repression, the Japanese have always had certain odd tastes.

There is a particularly disturbing 19th woodcut by the celebrated artist Hokusai, which depicts two octopii performing oral sex on a woman.

I'm all for respecting cultural differences, but really?