Indian Police Strip Dalit Couple Who Insisted On Filing Fir For Robbery!

[SadSingh]

It's not as straight forward as that: by tacitly supporting the caste divided 'martial race theory' pushed by the Brits, Singh Sabha (maybe unwittingly) helped calcify caste hierarchy ideas amongst apnay.

Can you please elaborate, i dont understand what your trying to say.

[MisterrSingh]

Okay, if we've 'progressed' in a particular direction but regressed in another, it just means we have to balance things out. I think it's an ongoing process.

Since when have you ever heard of a group of people step back for a moment, objectively assess where they're going wrong, make plans to improve their situation, and then act on those plans as a collective to arrest whatever decline they're experiencing, lol? We're talking about human nature; Punjabis to boot, lol! The greatest civilisations in human history failed to turn around, or even identify in most cases, their declines even when all signs were pointing in that direction.

No, 9 times out of 10 the realisation that things have gone rotten comes with hindsight, and if one's employing hindsight it usually indicates we're reflecting on a missed opportunity in the past that wasn't identified and acted upon at the time.

Basically, try telling our lot they're going wrong somewhere, and you'll receive an earful.

[jkvlondon]

Since when have you ever heard of a group of people step back for a moment, objectively assess where they're going wrong, make plans to improve their situation, and then act on those plans as a collective to arrest whatever decline they're experiencing, lol? We're talking about human nature; Punjabis to boot, lol! The greatest civilisations in human history failed to turn around, or even identify in most cases, their declines even when all signs were pointing in that direction.

No, 9 times out of 10 the realisation that things have gone rotten comes with hindsight, and if one's employing hindsight it usually indicates we're reflecting on a missed opportunity in the past that wasn't identified and acted upon at the time.

Basically, try telling our lot they're going wrong somewhere, and you'll receive an earful.

education education education ...start re-issuing hukamnamey of Sixth Patshah , tenth Patshah so people know where we are coming from rehitnama of bhai Nand Lal is vital in this issue ...it is stated explicitly that to ask or act on jaat basis is to call Guru Gobind Singh's amrit PANI.

can't get more clear than that.

Also I have proposed that in Sarbat Khalsa they excommunicate certain panth drohi , I propose that we push the rehitnama which says Kurdimaar di beti,roti sanjh nahin karni ...and excommunicate JAGIR KAUR and her family on that basis ... end the evil that is selective abortions, not by shutting down clinics but shutting down demand for them .

Main reason for daughters getting killed before birth is the evil of daaj and greed ...again Guru ji has given rehitnama for this ... I also propose that we put daswand to projects that educate and uplift girls and 'lower caste' children for free so they have better education than the mouthy 'casteists' and 'macho macho greedy people' and give them a full dharmic education including santhiya, itihaas and foreign languages.

[MisterrSingh]

education education education ...start re-issuing hukamnamey of Sixth Patshah , tenth Patshah so people know where we are coming from rehitnama of bhai Nand Lal is vital in this issue ...it is stated explicitly that to ask or act on jaat basis is to call Guru Gobind Singh's amrit PANI.

can't get more clear than that.

Also I have proposed that in Sarbat Khalsa they excommunicate certain panth drohi , I propose that we push the rehitnama which says Kurdimaar di beti,roti sanjh nahin karni ...and excommunicate JAGIR KAUR and her family on that basis ... end the evil that is selective abortions, not by shutting down clinics but shutting down demand for them .

Main reason for daughters getting killed before birth is the evil of daaj and greed ...again Guru ji has given rehitnama for this ... I also propose that we put daswand to projects that educate and uplift girls and 'lower caste' children for free so they have better education than the mouthy 'casteists' and 'macho macho greedy people' and give them a full dharmic education including santhiya, itihaas and foreign languages.

I believe religion (however you choose to define it) is followed for two reasons:

1. By force: Forced conversions, inducements, basically making not following that religion a bad idea through threats implied or otherwise. Or in a less extreme way, passing down edicts from a distance whilst being completely out of touch with the people. Or on a more intimate scale, because our communities and families have done so, therefore it's a natural process of continuing trends. This path is normally the best for increasing numbers but it doesn't actually mean those souls truly comprehend or believe in the path they're on. Man can be fooled, but can God?

2. A spiritual awakening from within that can be caused by many reasons, mostly because of events in our life that have resonated with us on a personal level that no amount of preaching or convincing has managed to affect us previously. Imo, this is true belief. It's personal.

Throwing out edicts and passing religious laws that are fundamentally sound in all respects is great on paper, but if the people don't FEEL it or relate to it, then it's a futile exercise IMO.

[jkvlondon]

I believe religion (however you choose to define it) is followed for two reasons:

1. By force: Forced conversions, inducements, basically making not following that religion a bad idea through threats implied or otherwise. Or in a less extreme way, passing down edicts from a distance whilst being completely out of touch with the people. This path is normally the best for increasing numbers but it doesn't actually mean those souls truly comprehend or believe in the path they're on. Man can be fooled, but can God?

2. A spiritual awakening from within that can be caused by many reasons, mostly because of events in our life that have resonated with us on a personal level that no amount of preaching or convincing has managed to affect us previously. Imo, this is true belief. It's personal.

Throwing out edicts and passing religious laws that are fundamentally sound in all respects is great on paper, but if the people don't FEEL it or relate to it, then it's a futile exercise IMO.

so your proposal is leave people in the dark fumbling around , and let them go backwards towards the prison that is bahmiwaad? Seems cruel and indifferent given that you know Guru ji has given us a roadmap to a better existence as humans ... I know we are of class 2 but shining a light on what Guru Sahiban actually said is not throwing out edicts ...but sure don't you feel the representative of sikh women shouldn't be a known kurdimaar , who is she to speak for women who has removed her own daughter from the world ?

I am tired of the mockery made of Sikhi by these nalaik bheki 'sikh' people

[dallysingh101]

Since when have you ever heard of a group of people step back for a moment, objectively assess where they're going wrong, make plans to improve their situation, and then act on those plans as a collective to arrest whatever decline they're experiencing, lol? We're talking about human nature; Punjabis to boot, lol! The greatest civilisations in human history failed to turn around, or even identify in most cases, their declines even when all signs were pointing in that direction.

No, 9 times out of 10 the realisation that things have gone rotten comes with hindsight, and if one's employing hindsight it usually indicates we're reflecting on a missed opportunity in the past that wasn't identified and acted upon at the time.

Basically, try telling our lot they're going wrong somewhere, and you'll receive an earful.

You've got a point. What I'm suggesting is ground level movement. Slowly but steadily working against current practices. Truth is that a fair few people have already rejected caste - okay they may be a minority, but it can grow. And the more it does, the more of a snowball effect it can have.

For the moment I give up on India/Panjab. With the general vested interest and monopoly of top Sikh institutes by catseists coupled with the fact that almost every film, and every third song is reinforcing casteism, we'll have to fight that battle another day. But outside, in the diaspora - we've got a good shot at changing things.

[MisterrSingh]

so your proposal is leave people in the dark fumbling around , and let them go backwards towards the prison that is bahmiwaad? Seems cruel and indifferent given that you know Guru ji has given us a roadmap to a better existence as humans ... I know we are of class 2 but shining a light on what Guru Sahiban actually said is not throwing out edicts ...but sure don't you feel the representative of sikh women shouldn't be a known kurdimaar , who is she to speak for women who has removed her own daughter from the world ?

I am tired of the mockery made of Sikhi by these nalaik bheki 'sikh' people

I'm a bheki Sikh now?

Regardless, I'm saying people will follow a path because they want to, not because someone sitting on a stage somewhere says they must. These aren't the middle ages where everything is taken at face value. Life would be easier if it was, but it's not. People and human nature resists what's the best for them, so what do you do in that situation? If things were as easy as you're proposing, the whole world would be Sikhs now.

[Ranjeet01]

Since when have you ever heard of a group of people step back for a moment, objectively assess where they're going wrong, make plans to improve their situation, and then act on those plans as a collective to arrest whatever decline they're experiencing, lol? We're talking about human nature; Punjabis to boot, lol! The greatest civilisations in human history failed to turn around, or even identify in most cases, their declines even when all signs were pointing in that direction.

No, 9 times out of 10 the realisation that things have gone rotten comes with hindsight, and if one's employing hindsight it usually indicates we're reflecting on a missed opportunity in the past that wasn't identified and acted upon at the time.

Basically, try telling our lot they're going wrong somewhere, and you'll receive an earful.

We are a complacent bunch!

[MisterrSingh]

We are a complacent bunch!

A part of me says let nature takes its course, natural selection and all that, but then my softer side kicks in and I feel "something" should be done that isn't being done at the moment. However, if I - an anonymous nobody in the UK - can see the issues that have and will continue to plague us in the future, then why are those at the "top" of the Sikh faith so oblivious? They're like a bunch of Nero's; fiddling whilst Rome burns.

[jkvlondon]

I'm a bheki Sikh now?

Regardless, I'm saying people will follow a path because they want to, not because someone sitting on a stage somewhere says they must. These aren't the middle ages where everything is taken at face value. Life would be easier if it was, but it's not. People and human nature resists what's the best for them, so what do you do in that situation? If things were as easy as you're proposing, the whole world would be Sikhs now.

not you people like makkard, jagir kaur, bachana etc

OK I'm a homeopath , and you know the west loves to sneer at what they don't understand homeopathy included , they say provide us with proof and we are as a profession do so,and yet they are still not satisfied. But the truth is allopathic drugs are opposed to any other modality despite having been proven to be dangerous and often not having an value in treatment because the safety trial data has been doctored to look good.

Allopathic drugs are the majority view and homeopathy a minority , do we give up ? No because we know it is effective and helps people. The people who try it are tired of no good results from allopathics and further sideeffects which add to their misery , and when they do get relief from symptoms they are wholeheartedly for it. Similarly the people who are tired of suffering under the status quo will be looking for a better way, that is SIkhi. But like homeopathy we have to counter the bad press and false information floating about from sources sympathetic to the majority view