Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
guptsinghji

Khalistani Singhs Killing Innocent Hindus

Recommended Posts

Why are you bringing Hindu philosophy to Sikh form? We are not Hindus, we believe in Sword to get Justice in this life.

I wouldn't bother with her to be honest. She only comments on threads which demonize Hindus, you'll find her ignoring it if its another faith etc. By her twist logic Khalsa shouldn't be a military force lol and all the Mahapurkhs and Shaheeds who took up arms were going about it wrong lol. Utterly disgusting she's masquerading as a Sikh just to spread nonsense about Sikhs not being activists.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry to disturb the debate, but if anybody wants to see how people get together in Unity, it's happening right now.

100, 000's Sikhs protest across Punjab simultaneously!

EVERY village, town and city in Punjab has joined in solidarity against the beadbi of Maharaj!

ALL are United men, women and children. ....Amritdhari, keshadhari and Sejhdhari....ALL together. ..

and to Preeto, have to say not wise to bring up that. Not good timing, now or ever.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Jacfsing2

Sorry to disturb the debate, but if anybody wants to see how people get together in Unity, it's happening right now.

100, 000's Sikhs protest across Punjab simultaneously!

EVERY village, town and city in Punjab has joined in solidarity against the beadbi of Maharaj!

ALL are United men, women and children. ....Amritdhari, keshadhari and Sejhdhari....ALL together. ..

and to Preeto, have to say not wise to bring up that. Not good timing, now or ever.

Finally some news that is recent. (Sadly it's about Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji's Shaheedi).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I expect Hindu like you to buy into Hindu propaganda.

It's not just propaganda, many young sikhs in pinds did harass bahmins, not saying how common it was, but it did happen. Also, Ribeiro never said each and every single Hindu killing was committed by black cats, so lets not assume that.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just something to remember- Bhai Satwant Singh Shaheed had said in their final speech

"I have no hatred for any Hindu, Muslim, Christian, neither hatred for any religion. After my Shaheedi, let no Sikh throw any rock at any Hindu. I am not in favour of any retaliation or bloodshed over my Shaheedi. If we do create bloodshed, then there is no difference between us and Rajiv Gandhi."

Yes, some people did attack Hindus. We cannot deny that. But it isn't on the scale that the government says it to be where they claim there was a genocide of hindus in panjab.

Ask any of these people who call us terrorists - Did any Kharku leader (for example Jathedar Sukhdev Singh, Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal, Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma) ever commit or encourage killings of Hindus? No because they fought the police forces and Sikhs do not kill innocents.

Oh, and I also created a thread a while ago about Air India 1985

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77072-air-india-flight-182-bombing/

Although I'm still puzzled by this case. There is almost no evidence to prove anything.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just something to remember- Bhai Satwant Singh Shaheed had said in their final speech

"I have no hatred for any Hindu, Muslim, Christian, neither hatred for any religion. After my Shaheedi, let no Sikh throw any rock at any Hindu. I am not in favour of any retaliation or bloodshed over my Shaheedi. If we do create bloodshed, then there is no difference between us and Rajiv Gandhi."

Yes, some people did attack Hindus. We cannot deny that. But it isn't on the scale that the government says it to be where they claim there was a genocide of hindus in panjab.

Ask any of these people who call us terrorists - Did any Kharku leader (for example Jathedar Sukhdev Singh, Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal, Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma) ever commit or encourage killings of Hindus? No because they fought the police forces and Sikhs do not kill innocents.

Oh, and I also created a thread a while ago about Air India 1985

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77072-air-india-flight-182-bombing/

Although I'm still puzzled by this case. There is almost no evidence to prove anything.

Great post bro. As for AIr India, there is plenty of evidence, they just fumbled it. There is 0 doubt the suspects are the ones who did it.These guys were going around publicly trying to get dynamite, or testing explosives in the forests.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I used to think it was just black cats and Indian Govt dressing people up as Sikhs to Kill Hindus. But then recently I met a Kharkhu Singhs family and they confirmed that some Sikhs in these groups were so angry and because they were getting no support from fellow Hindu Punjabis they resorted to violence against local Hindus.

BUT it was really low level and these Sikhs were often dealt with by other Sikhs or the Indian authorities themselves. It eventually got worse towards the end of the 80's as there was no control over youth joining the Khalistan movement. HOWEVER, Nothing in comparison to what black cats were actually doing and miniscule in comparison to how many Sikhs lost their lives.

Either way those who killed innocent Hindus where dealt with... And killers of innocent Sikhs walk free.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry to disturb the debate, but if anybody wants to see how people get together in Unity, it's happening right now.

100, 000's Sikhs protest across Punjab simultaneously!

EVERY village, town and city in Punjab has joined in solidarity against the beadbi of Maharaj!

ALL are United men, women and children. ....Amritdhari, keshadhari and Sejhdhari....ALL together. ..

and to Preeto, have to say not wise to bring up that. Not good timing, now or ever.

Sorry to throw a negative spanner in the works but lets not fool ourselves if we think the masses are rising up. There are an estimated 13 million Sikhs in Punjab and in whichever televised cover of any dharna you see in parts of Punjab, the numbers range from the low dozens to perhaps 10,000 at the most if there's a large gathering. Given the proportion of the Sikh population the numbers are still miniscule. In the Kotkapura khand loose estimates of 30,000 - 50,000 Sikh protesters were given, yet more realistic figures equate to between 6,000-10,000 being present.

If hundreds of thousands or perhaps even millions of people were protesting then today you would see Presidents rule across Punjab and attempts by the Govt to appease the Sikhs. However the Govt knows that we are a minority within a minority, and in a country which practices vote bank politics, we Sikhs struggle to be heard.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I used to think it was just black cats and Indian Govt dressing people up as Sikhs to Kill Hindus. But then recently I met a Kharkhu Singhs family and they confirmed that some Sikhs in these groups were so angry and because they were getting no support from fellow Hindu Punjabis they resorted to violence against local Hindus.

BUT it was really low level and these Sikhs were often dealt with by other Sikhs or the Indian authorities themselves. It eventually got worse towards the end of the 80's as there was no control over youth joining the Khalistan movement. HOWEVER, Nothing in comparison to what black cats were actually doing and miniscule in comparison to how many Sikhs lost their lives.

Either way those who killed innocent Hindus where dealt with... And killers of innocent Sikhs walk free.

Youre right, the Singhs who headed the organizations did not engage in this, mostly the fighters/area commanders did. Maybe with some support from mid level commanders. I reccomend going and talking too villagers themselves, most online sources are as bias as you can get.

We as Sikhs need to stop changing our history, lying about innocents killed, drugs/alcohol, and so on. Throwing out numbers like 250-500k killed in the 80s with 0 evidence. All this does more harm than good, no one will take us serious.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Youre right, the Singhs who headed the organizations did not engage in this, mostly the fighters/area commanders did. Maybe with some support from mid level commanders. I reccomend going and talking too villagers themselves, most online sources are as bias as you can get.

We as Sikhs need to stop changing our history, lying about innocents killed, drugs/alcohol, and so on. Throwing out numbers like 250-500k killed in the 80s with 0 evidence. All this does more harm than good, no one will take us serious.

simple we as a panth should do our own census of the missing and dead

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

simple we as a panth should do our own census of the missing and dead

Easier said than done. We can barely count our gollok's correctly without some money disappearing. Mass reorganization and reshuffling of SGPC/Akal Takhat and then work towards that imo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Easier said than done. We can barely count our gollok's correctly without some money disappearing. Mass reorganization and reshuffling of SGPC/Akal Takhat and then work towards that imo.

what's so hard , each village knows the people of their neighbourhood and can record who died and when

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

what's so hard , each village knows the people of their neighbourhood and can record who died and when

Thing is though people will very easily start tampering with it, adding and subtracting could be rife in that, It's better to have a central body working towards it rather than individual villages. It can work but the authenticity may be called into question.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thing is though people will very easily start tampering with it, adding and subtracting could be rife in that, It's better to have a central body working towards it rather than individual villages. It can work but the authenticity may be called into question.

they claim 500 civilian deaths in Harmandir Sahib when we all know there were 10,000 pair of jodde in the jodda ghar , same way if we just document those who have gone missing with a photo , name and address it is a starting point . We need to do this for ourselves as we cannot trust police, govt , or others . Their arrogance will mean that they will leave loose ends , traceable mistakes, just Khalra Sahib found ...Stay in Chardi Kala Guru ji is always with us ...He will give us help, just trust in Him alone

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

they claim 500 civilian deaths in Harmandir Sahib when we all know there were 10,000 pair of jodde in the jodda ghar , same way if we just document those who have gone missing with a photo , name and address it is a starting point . We need to do this for ourselves as we cannot trust police, govt , or others . Their arrogance will mean that they will leave loose ends , traceable mistakes, just Khalra Sahib found ...Stay in Chardi Kala Guru ji is always with us ...He will give us help, just trust in Him alone

I'm referring to the Akal takhat when I was speaking about a central body. I apologize if I didn't clarify that well enough, I've seen the stats by the GOI, their bogus but that's why I feel that a reshuffling of the Akal Takhat with actual Sikhs who want Panth charikala should come first.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  



  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Is it used properly though? Many people (not all) become dependent on it. True, but I also haven't seen anything that supports it either. Here's an excerpt from a book by Sant Harnam Singh Rampur Khera Wale - https://www.sikhbookclub.com/Book/Intoxicant-Enemy-of-Humanity   Bhul Chuk Maaf 🙏
    • @Redoptics Isn't a missionary. I think you're missing his point.  Not speaking on behalf of source, but speaking to the point redoptics was trying to make.  Use Gurbani to understand Gurbani. You can do that. 
    • The marijuana fish wine consumer is referencing a specific tradition of person. Not anyone who properly uses Sukha.  The second references no longer needing it.  Nothing in Gurbani is against Sukha. It's ground into the floors of Gurudwaras and the Gurus had Degh Sevadars. Anyone with a problem with Sukha have white folks in their brains. Which is why they're alcoholics usually. 
    • This is a very confusing topic: http://sttm.co/s/2764/30880 ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||   Here's an excerpt from Guru Nanak Chamatkar that (to me) addressed the use of intoxicants for spiritual purposes.   I once read a book (forgot which one) that said that bhang helps with keeping away hunger which is why it may have been used in war, along with treating injuries. Then over time it became common to use in small amounts and by Britisher times, it was used in excess.   Personally I wouldn't want to use bhang to help my Simran. http://sttm.co/s/2764/30880 ਤਿਲੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੨ Tilang, First Mehla, Second House: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਭਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਭਾਂਗ ਖਲੜੀ ਮੇਰਾ ਚੀਤੁ ॥ The Fear of You, O Lord God, is my marijuana; my consciousness is the pouch which holds it. ਮੈ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਭਇਆ ਅਤੀਤੁ ॥ I have become an intoxicated hermit. ਕਰ ਕਾਸਾ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਖ ॥ My hands are my begging bowl; I am so hungry for the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ਮੈ ਦਰਿ ਮਾਗਉ ਨੀਤਾ ਨੀਤ ॥੧॥ I beg at Your Door, day after day. ||1|| ਤਉ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਕਰਉ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ I long for the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ਮੈ ਦਰਿ ਮਾਗਤੁ ਭੀਖਿਆ ਪਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ I am a beggar at Your Door - please bless me with Your charity. ||1||Pause|| ਕੇਸਰਿ ਕੁਸਮ ਮਿਰਗਮੈ ਹਰਣਾ ਸਰਬ ਸਰੀਰੀ ਚੜੑਣਾ ॥ Saffron, flowers, musk oil and gold embellish the bodies of all. ਚੰਦਨ ਭਗਤਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਇਨੇਹੀ ਸਰਬੇ ਪਰਮਲੁ ਕਰਣਾ ॥੨॥ The Lord's devotees are like sandalwood, which imparts its fragrance to everyone. ||2|| ਘਿਅ ਪਟ ਭਾਂਡਾ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ No one says that ghee or silk are polluted. ਐਸਾ ਭਗਤੁ ਵਰਨ ਮਹਿ ਹੋਇ ॥ Such is the Lord's devotee, no matter what his social status is. ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਨਿਵੇ ਰਹੇ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥ Those who bow in reverence to the Naam, the Name of the Lord, remain absorbed in Your Love. ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨ ਦਰਿ ਭੀਖਿਆ ਪਾਇ ॥੩॥੧॥੨॥ Nanak begs for charity at their door. ||3||1||2||   So that's what my opinion is right now, feel free to change it or educate me as I don't know much about bhang 😜   Bhul Chuk Maaf 🙏
    • I never knew we had a missionary on this forum.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use