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Is Indian punjab heading towards the dark evil road of islamification?

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"Maulana Muhammad Usman Ludhianwi recalled that when the Phagwara Jama Masjid was regained in 1950, only three persons were present when the first prayer was conducted, viz., Maulana Khalilur Rahman himself and his brothers Mufti Saedur Rahman Ludhianwi and Mufti Muhammad Ahmad Ludhianwi. But today there are so many Muslims in the area. "

http://www.milligazette.com/news/15200-another-mosque-returned-to-muslims-in-punjab-india

 

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Huge numbers of muslim immigrants from utter pardesh, bihar and other states that came in indian sikh punjab for decades are going to change the demographics that will endanger the Sikh majority state of punjab.

When hindu extremists of shiv sena caused problems for muslims some foolish sikhs of phagwara sided with muslims and rioted against shiv sena. And in a few years time when muslims have enough numbers through migrant influx and dawah conversions there will be hardly any Sikhs to say we dont like whats going on as these muslims will elect the party that put their interests first.

Meanwhile in pakistan and afghanistan your sikh brothers and sisters are persecuted to a tiny minority status have no rights and often discriminated, harassed and killed for being non-muslims. They have no one standing up for them or speaking up for them.

Sadly it seems Guru's Sikhs of today are have no wisdom of foresight, sleeping, don't care or impotent.

 

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8 hours ago, genie said:

Huge numbers of muslim immigrants from utter pardesh, bihar and other states that came in indian sikh punjab for decades are going to change the demographics that will endanger the Sikh majority state of punjab.

When hindu extremists of shiv sena caused problems for muslims some foolish sikhs of phagwara sided with muslims and rioted against shiv sena. And in a few years time when muslims have enough numbers through migrant influx and dawah conversions there will be hardly any Sikhs to say we dont like whats going on as these muslims will elect the party that put their interests first.

Meanwhile in pakistan and afghanistan your sikh brothers and sisters are persecuted to a tiny minority status have no rights and often discriminated, harassed and killed for being non-muslims. They have no one standing up for them or speaking up for them.

Sadly it seems Guru's Sikhs of today are have no wisdom of foresight, sleeping, don't care or impotent.

 

The enemy of my enemy is my friend is the case here with these riots in Phagwara.

Shiv Sena has no place in Punjab, they need to be booted back to Maharashtra. 

When you have political power, you should never lose it.

Like I said before, if you want Sarbat Da Bhalla,Sikh interests have to come first. It's enlightened self-interest.

 

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The Hindu Nationalists basically means Indian, while the Muslims are actually trying to create Sharia everywhere. The thing causing Indian Punjab to lose the Sikh majority is migration to other Indian States, and Immigration elsewhere. Some SJWs will complain that Sikhs should be supporters of either group, when in reality neither Hindus nor Muslims are our allies for Sarbat Da Bhalla, and Khalsa Raj with the need for Daya.

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And to top that off you had this evil dog called mohammad alam who was in the indian punjab police force killing punjabi sikh youths in 90s in fake encounters was found out recently to be trying to force Sikh youths to convert to Islam .

Even sellouts like badal and dhumma shared platform with him in order to try get him elected in politics. You cant make this kinda stuff up even bollywood/hollywood would find it outlandish.

http://sikhsiyasat.net/2013/07/19/izhar-alam-who-killed-sikhs-in-1990s-indulges-in-forced-conversions-of-poor-sikhs-to-islam/

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4 hours ago, Jeevan said:

The horrors of 1984 pales into insignificance compared to 1947!

Do Sikhs realize the Moslems laid claim to Amritsar, imagine this Harmandir Sahib located in an Islamic Country!!!

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/The_Battle_for_Amritsar,_1947

 

They outnumbered us by 4 to 1 in amritsar....n yet still got their arse kicked. In places like jalandhar (modern day jalandhar/nawanshaher), the sullehh got slaughtered to the point, muslim deaths dwarfed sikh deaths if u add up all deaths during partition. Sons of b!tches got wat they deserved, n i hope shud any war kick off again, sh!t sena n other brahmins all get cleansed frm our panjab.

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On 12/24/2016 at 5:15 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

The enemy of my enemy is my friend is the case here with these riots in Phagwara.

Shiv Sena has no place in Punjab, they need to be booted back to Maharashtra. 

When you have political power, you should never lose it.

Like I said before, if you want Sarbat Da Bhalla,Sikh interests have to come first. It's enlightened self-interest.

 

Shiv Sena of Punjab is different from Bal Thakre's Shiv Sena. Bal Thakre's Shiv Sena is a Hindu Maratha nationalist movement which wants to safeguard Maratha rights over non Marathas in Maharashtra. In their early days they would carry out violence against Gujus and South Indians in Bombay because these communities would have most of the jobs. During the 90s, their target were the Muslims. Currently it is the Biharis. This Maratha nationalism has estranged them with other Hindu movements who advocate a pan Hindu movement.

The Shiv Sena of Punjab is not that old. Unlike the Marathas who are proud of their language and Maratha heritage, the Punjabi Shiv Sainiks are suffering from an identity crises. They promote Hindi. Their main target till now has been Sikhs. Anytime Sikhs advocate rights of Punjab or Sikhs, they are the ones who raise their voices the loudest in objection more so than all other Hindus. A lot of their members were part of the Hindu Suraksha Samiti which was created by the most Anti Sikh Arya Samajis during the 80s. Every now and then they also target Muslims. But their primary focus has been Sikhs.

To give you an idea of how anti Sikh they are. The Punjab based Shiv Sena also uses violence against Sikhs when they can. Every year they have started to do special pooja for the Dusht Indian soldiers who attacked Sri Darbar Sahib. And they do this in Punjab of all places which is suppose to be our strong hold. They threaten Sikhs to not put up posters of Sant Bhindranwale in Punjab.

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The Muslims in Punjab are too small. Most are migrant Bhayas. The Punjabi ones are few. Just as long as they don't carry out Dawah activity targeting Sikhs, we should not worry too much. But I will tell you the one community which we should be worried about. The Christians! the Christian missionaries have literally converted Lakhs of Sikhs all over Punjab. While Hindus have managed to identity this problem and are carrying out their own counter missionary activity we Sikhs have completely ignored this. This is resulted in Christians seeing Sikhs as a soft target.

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27 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

The Muslims in Punjab are too small. Most are migrant Bhayas. The Punjabi ones are few. Just as long as they don't carry out Dawah activity targeting Sikhs, we should not worry too much. But I will tell you the one community which we should be worried about. The Christians! the Christian missionaries have literally converted Lakhs of Sikhs all over Punjab. While Hindus have managed to identity this problem and are carrying out their own counter missionary activity we Sikhs have completely ignored this. This is resulted in Christians seeing Sikhs as a soft target.

U say the christians, but a lot of the converted christians have returned to sikhi, and admitted it was due to money/school education for their kids. Also i dont want to bring caste/tribe into it, but its mostly the chamar/choora/untouchables who are targeted and converted by these christians, as this particular communities sadly get/have been bullied since day1 by other tribes. Hence a lot of them converted from "hinduism" to islam, christianity and sikhi in droves, only to find these communites dont treat em any better. Not sayin other communities aint being targeted, but its these tribes which make up 95%+ of the converted. Just shows u wat the pathetic sgpc r made of, who have billions of pounds at their disposal, yet cannot even muster up parcharaks to convert all of panjab into sikh only state, which sant jarnail wud have achieved effortlessly, had they remained till present day. Its ridiculous how panjab residing sikhs want jagraj singh (BoS) to start doing mass parchar in panjabi.....friggin !d!iots, wat language has sikhi been spread in last 500+years? How many parcharaks r already doin parchar in panjabi in panjab yet cant start a movement like sant ji did? Y cant the sgpc, who have billions compared to jagraj, not do that?

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This is video explains how it starts and has always....... first slowly the peaceful muslims settle in non-muslim nations and communities. In all likelihood your best neighbors will probably be muslim because they are friendly, peaceful and decent unlike other people you encounter. You wont complain as you prefer a muslim neighbour than people you already know but dont get on too well with. Then when they have enough numbers they start to give you "dawah" which is like pestering you to convert to their abrahamic cult like jehova witnesses do but with larger numbers, they will try to put down other faiths and ideologies by mocking them or trying to debate and groom vulnerable people to islam.

Then when they have enough numbers they vote in a votebank way to sway elections to get special interests and privileges for their faith or if they dont get their own way they start to fight a physical war slowly by first provoking attacks and when the authorities in charge react they cry persecution and oppression and start to wage "fisabillah jihad" which is the physical war against non-muslims and non-musim states.

 

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4 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

Shiv Sena of Punjab is different from Bal Thakre's Shiv Sena. Bal Thakre's Shiv Sena is a Hindu Maratha nationalist movement which wants to safeguard Maratha rights over non Marathas in Maharashtra. In their early days they would carry out violence against Gujus and South Indians in Bombay because these communities would have most of the jobs. During the 90s, their target were the Muslims. Currently it is the Biharis. This Maratha nationalism has estranged them with other Hindu movements who advocate a pan Hindu movement.

The Shiv Sena of Punjab is not that old. Unlike the Marathas who are proud of their language and Maratha heritage, the Punjabi Shiv Sainiks are suffering from an identity crises. They promote Hindi. Their main target till now has been Sikhs. Anytime Sikhs advocate rights of Punjab or Sikhs, they are the ones who raise their voices the loudest in objection more so than all other Hindus. A lot of their members were part of the Hindu Raksha Samiti which was created by the most Anti Sikh Arya Samajis during the 80s. Every now and then they also target Muslims. But their primary focus has been Sikhs.

To give you an idea of how anti Sikh they are. The Punjab based Shiv Sena also uses violence against Sikhs when they can. Every year they have started to do special pooja for the Dusht Indian soldiers who attacked Sri Darbar Sahib. And they do this in Punjab of all places which is suppose to be our strong hold. They threaten Sikhs to not put up posters of Sant Bhindranwale in Punjab.

Shiv sena (especially punjabi unit) are complete scum. But they are not the danger that muslim demographic take over is. Back in the days of the Sikh empire, the Sikhs had become cuckold letting hindu punjabis and muslim punjabi's live their lives in peace and even run affairs of sarkar-e-khalsa. Even maharajah ranjit singh had become part and parcell of hindu punjabis in all but name if you was to analyse the non-sikh ways he had adopted. So while Sikhs and punjabis and punjab were enjoying the good life, the gold age of punjab, the enemies of Sikhs and punjab were busy planning and plotting how to weaken it and attack it. And thus with the Sikh empire being 70% muslims without any forced conversions of muslims to sikhi (like in the days of banda singh bahahdur who was the creator of first sikh sovereign state) the empire was doomed to fail without long term planning and foresight. To achieve long term sikh stability they should have had it the other way around with at least 70% Sikh population, just like most muslim countries are at least 90% muslim and even little old israel the only jewish state which has over 70% jewish population. But being the SJW's lefty liberal sarbat da bhalla types they were they let people be what religion they want to be and this huge blunder lead to internal spies and helping the British invaders leading to anglo-sikh wars and loss of the empire then 1947 over a million sikh genocided and loss of the holy nanaka sahib and half of punjab and 1984 recent genocide.  One thing Sikhs should learn from our ideological enemies is that they always plan 5-10-20-50-100 years in advance whereas the pendu foolish telly tubby self hating so called sikhs in present religious and politics affairs like dhumma, badals, captain amrinder singh and the rest only plan for the next election or how they can keep political power through vote banks.

The muslim game is easy to spot its through demographics influx and changes so counter it is you gotta be as discriminatory and bigoted and right wing as muslims are to non-muslims in pakistan, kashmir and afghanistan. The Sikh punjabi national interest must come first and so muslims must be encouraged to either convert to sikhi or leave punjab and jammu and kashmir through various schemes.

The hindu nationalist game is harder to counter because they dont generally indulge in genocides of Sikhs rather they do the slow assimilation of sikhs by encouraging castism amoungst us and making our people think they are part of the hindu fold, which is incorrect. We are part of the same dharmic tree of faiths as them but we are not from the same religious ideology their mainstream ideology is based on the land of hind being for hindus only, belief in multiple animal looking gods and birth right racial hierarchical castism. We are totally different to their belief structure and ways of worship. The Indian state and army did carry out genocide of Sikhs but that army and state is mostly atheist secular now that was built largely on the anglo-saxon laws/penal code and British imperialist christian colonialist model. They don't work on the model of a hindu ideological regime otherwise you would have had ram mandir in ayodya built already and non-hindus denied certain basic rights across the land.

The christian missionaries are scumbags too they are funded by the rich bible belt in america and the trillion dollar vatican bank in italy. They are trying to get our economical poor brothers and sisters convert to their abrahmic nonsense. But to counter this our insitutions should be helping our less well off sikhs to not buy the biat and entrapment of the christian missionaries. These people are doing the work of the dark side as once they become christians they are easier to convert by the muslims because they share similar abrahmic doctrines. And christians dont really put up a fight and so get slaughtered as we see in present times, but Sikhs do and will protect their faith through militant attacks on the aggressors.

Also we must remember as much as we dont like the currently political situation our brothers and sisters face in india since 1947. It is still by far the best land for Sikhs in terms of demographics with over 20 miilion Sikhs there. Look in muslim countries and most are being victimised to the point of extinction, even though these tiny numbers of Sikhs in muslim majority countries pose no threat or harm anybody they are still taken advantage off and persecuted. Which tells us in conclusion islam is the greater evil it so we must watch the developments carefully and get our so called leaders to take notice and act upon it.

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9 hours ago, Preeet said:

What?? Do you have evidence that they do pooja for them? I doubt it because they hate the congress, and the congress is the one who suffered the loss during that incident. 

Yes they did. They did it 1984 and in the recent years coming up to the 30th year anniversary and following years since they have been doing it http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/36154854.cms  .

Shiv sena and brahmin sena and other hindu punjabi extremist groups were the ones out killing innocent Sikhs and other punjabi's in 1980s and 1990s in punjab in order to create the pretext and environment for operation blue star. It was easy to dress up as a Sikh all you need is to grow a beard as keshdhari hindus did and wear a turban. And if we look back in history the turbanned keshdhari punjabi hindus who were part of the Sikh empire government (dogra's and others) have been historical proven to be actively trying to destroy it within.

Further more BJP members and other hindu nationalists in punjab were performing prayers at mandirs for indian army soldiers during and after operation blue star and many celebrated by handing out indian sweets rubbing salt into the wounds of already victimised Sikh minority. This is what enraged the Sikh community aboard who saw how hindu punjabi's were complicit in calling for the army action and rejoicing at the attack on heart of Sikhism and so Sikhs in england and elsewhere distributed indian sweets after 2 brave Sikh lions took out the evil monster indira gandhi.

"Many Sikhs have begun to allege that Hindu Shiv Sena men are disguising as Sikhs and are out killing people, if only to malign Sikhs. Instead of making Sikhs and Hindus come together against violence, these Hindu leaders are fanning communalism. " - The Spokesman 21st April 1986

 

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6 minutes ago, Preeet said:

That is so bad, and so silly of them. I read in the link that they prayed for the innocents (sangat) who were shaheed from the attack, as well as the army. Im not sure about the city people, but the hindus of my village area were not happy with the attack since they also did seva in our Sri Gurdwara Sahib jis. 

Most hindus and hindu punjabis who had Sikh relatives were not happy about it to be fair. Only the radical hindu extremists of various parties and organizations were calling for it and celebrating it. They were instrumental in the mass media and social propaganda against maligning Sikh freedom fighters and Sikh civil rights. They were the monsters who actually started all the troubles in punjab in 1950s after partition when Sikhs saw they were trapped in hindustan with little political rights.

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