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50 minutes ago, AmandeepSinghBansel said:

Yes veer ji, from what I've read this was also carried out by Satguru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj at Naina Devi and Akali Nihang Baba deep Singh ji before Shaheedi, but it seems to have fallen out of practice.

Havan was never done as the janue was never worn by the Gurus.  The practice that we have lost is honesty among the Sikhs.  This poster asks a question and one post later he answers it himself.  Which cult are you here to represent? Is it the same cult as poster @Mahakaal96.  Havan have no value in sikhi because they hold no spiritual value as defined in Gurmat.  People like you get sucked into these cults because you are gullible, looking for a belonging somewhere.  Now the cult has filled you with filth, you believe its your mission to spread the filth of the cult.

Sikhi is simple.  Go directly to Gurbani. Read and comprehend.  Gurbani says become a loyal dog of the Guru.  A loyal dog only eats from his masters hand.  So eat from the Gurus hand in the form of Gurbani.  If an intruder comes into the Gurus house, bark like a loyal dog to warn others.  Being a loyal dog of the Guru had great honor and respect.  Ever seen a loyal dog get beat up protecting the master house?  The dog gladly does it and the master praises the dog for his righteous action.  I can understand if you were a Hindu, Christian, Jew, muslim.  You don't have the Guru.  So you wander around like a wild beast searching for commitment.  These folks are lost.  You are not like them, yet you still behave like them.  Some people prefer to be the wild beast, which is fine.  But if the wild beast comes to attack the Gurus house.  The dog is going to bark and bite at the wild beast.  Sikhi is pure but there will always be wild beast looking to distort sikhi out of jealousy.  

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I don't know where you got where Guru Gobind Singh Ji did it.

I would suggest to do Paath, Jaap or Kirtaan instead of havan, hom etc. Their significance has been mentioned thousands times in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. 

Many have this fire inside them. It gets stronger as their ego, anger, creed, desire and lust fills up.

This 'havan' should be where Gursikhs do parchaar and look after others to get this fire distinguished.

A Gurmukh's Havan is when Gyan awakens, when the avashnas are washed with the fire of Brahmgyan. Therefore "havan" like other words is used as a metaphor.

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53 minutes ago, monatosingh said:

 

A Gurmukh's Havan is when Gyan awakens, when the avashnas are washed with the fire of Brahmgyan. Therefore "havan" like other words is used as a metaphor.

Exactly, According to History that's the Havan that Baba Deep Singh Ji performed before going to battle. 

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5 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Sikhi is simple.  Go directly to Gurbani. Read and comprehend.  Gurbani says become a loyal dog of the Guru.  A loyal dog only eats from his masters hand.  So eat from the Gurus hand in the form of Gurbani.  If an intruder comes into the Gurus house, bark like a loyal dog to warn others.  Being a loyal dog of the Guru had great honor and respect.  Ever seen a loyal dog get beat up protecting the master house?  The dog gladly does it and the master praises the dog for his righteous action.

ਸੁਆਮੀ ਕੋ ਗ੍ਰਿਹੁ ਜਿਉ ਸਦਾ ਸੁਆਨ ਤਜਤ ਨਹੀ ਨਿਤ ॥

A dog never abandons the home of his master.

ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਹਰਿ ਭਜਉ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਹੁਇ ਇਕ ਚਿਤਿ ॥੪੫॥

O Nanak, in just the same way, vibrate, and meditate on the Lord, single-mindedly, with one-pointed consciousness. ||45||

ਸਲੋਕ ਵਾਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਵਧੀਕ (ਮਃ ੯) (੪੫):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੪੨੮ 
Salok Guru Teg Bahadur

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18 hours ago, AmandeepSinghBansel said:

Waheguru Ji Ka khalsa waheguru ji or fateh

 According to some puratan Sikhs and Sikh accounts, Havan Maryada was performed by shamshir pita Sri satguru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj. If so, how was Havan performed and what was the Maryada for Havan? E.g what banis were read?

Bhul chuk maf Karo ji

As Naamdharis still perform it, maybe find out where they got this maryada from. I know they read japji sahib, could be some other nitnem banis as well. I seen it on YouTube somewhere. I know Naamdharis went to Hazoor Sahib to get maryada, maybe this is a start?

 

There are good arguments about havan in this thread, I mean arguments against. But I am keeping an open mind.

17 hours ago, monatosingh said:

 

Yes, but this is not a hindu havan when gurbani is read is it? Lighting a fire automatically becomes a hindu ritual? Then even doing matha tek and chaur sahib is also a hindu ritual so what should we do? Also Aarti.

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2 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

As Naamdharis still perform it, maybe find out where they got this maryada from. I know they read japji sahib, could be some other nitnem banis as well. I seen it on YouTube somewhere. I know Naamdharis went to Hazoor Sahib to get maryada, maybe this is a start?

 

There are good arguments about havan in this thread, I mean arguments against. But I am keeping an open mind.

Yes, but this is not a hindu havan when gurbani is read is it? Lighting a fire automatically becomes a hindu ritual? Then even doing matha tek and chaur sahib is also a hindu ritual so what should we do? Also Aarti.

Exactly, I do not mean to offend anyones opinions, through reading itihas this issue has arisen as seen in Naveen panth Prakash, Sri sarbloh Granth and the bhram kavach also. I'm simply trying to make sense of what I've found, but put my faith in the Charan of Aad Sri satguru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj

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17 minutes ago, AmandeepSinghBansel said:

Exactly, I do not mean to offend anyones opinions, through reading itihas this issue has arisen as seen in Naveen panth Prakash, Sri sarbloh Granth and the bhram kavach also. I'm simply trying to make sense of what I've found, but put my faith in the Charan of Aad Sri satguru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj

Could you give me the source of where Guru Gobind Singh Ji did this 'havan'?

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5 hours ago, AmandeepSinghBansel said:

Exactly, I do not mean to offend anyones opinions, through reading itihas this issue has arisen as seen in Naveen panth Prakash, Sri sarbloh Granth and the bhram kavach also. I'm simply trying to make sense of what I've found, but put my faith in the Charan of Aad Sri satguru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj

Do you have direct references from any of the sources, (original Gurmukhi or otherwise)?

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7 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

Yes, but this is not a hindu havan when gurbani is read is it? Lighting a fire automatically becomes a hindu ritual? Then even doing matha tek and chaur sahib is also a hindu ritual so what should we do? Also Aarti.

This is such a bold face lie.  If original poster had titled the thread, fire maryada.  Then no one would have said anything about Havan.  But Havan is a specific ritual performed by the Hindus.  The fire plays a worship role in the Havan.  Hindus worship the fire and offer a sacrifice.  Now take just a fire that is used to cook food or to burn wood for warmth at a camp fire. Neither can Havan be compared to chaur sahib because chaur can be used for anything.  Chaur was waved over idols and kings.  The chaur sahib is not worshipped or nothing is sacrificed to the chaur sahib to obtain something. Chaur sahib is a sign of royalty which Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is. Neither can arti be compared to Havan because arti is Gurbani and physical aspect is done before Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.  

You fake nihangs think in this world and age the Sikhs can't research what a Havan is and what it represents? 

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8 hours ago, AmandeepSinghBansel said:

Exactly, I do not mean to offend anyones opinions, through reading itihas this issue has arisen as seen in Naveen panth Prakash, Sri sarbloh Granth and the bhram kavach also. I'm simply trying to make sense of what I've found, but put my faith in the Charan of Aad Sri satguru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj

Why don't you post what you say you have found so people can discuss that, instead of discussing vagueries?

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On 31/08/2017 at 10:24 PM, AmandeepSinghBansel said:

Yes veer ji, from what I've read this was also carried out by Satguru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj at Naina Devi and Akali Nihang Baba deep Singh ji before Shaheedi, but it seems to have fallen out of practice.

Beggers the question then what is the difference between HINDU and SIKH ?

If we're going to worship their way and worship their devi devtey , why insist on a separate Sikh identity ?

what is the reality man ?

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