Is it really Sikh, Sikhi, Sikhism vs Hindu, Hinduism and it's beliefs?

[Siddhartha]

21 hours ago, S1ngh said:

I understand your concern. However, we are different and we should refrain ourself from generalization. Not all fingers are equal. There are good and bad folks in every community. 

Thankyou for extending this benefit of doubt. 

[harsharan000]

On 8/9/2017 at 7:32 PM, Guest Saddened Hindu said:

 

when I go to a gurudwara and have to articulate to my 6 year old girl's query that whether Sikhs hate us or not, I really wonder what does the institution stand for. My 6 year old girl sitting in a sangat with her father, both our heads covered in reverence, listens to an 8 year old boy read a speech saying ,"Aj hinduan di pardhanmantri nu maar ke shahidi prapt kiti.....,", "hinduan ne...", "hinduan di...", "hinduan nu..."etc and then asks me why are we here dad when they hate us, it saddens me. Is this the history lesson that we find is imperative to teach so our progeny doesn't have any doubts about our identity? Majority of sangat in gurudwara were Hindus with their head covered n bowed in reverence, most of an age incapable of comprehending the hatred let alone the reason behind it. I am teaching my child that it was n still might be a tradition amongst Hindu families in Punjab to bring up one child of the family as a Sikh, about the sacrifices of Gurus, about the martyrs of Jallianwalla Bagh and bhagat singh. Then I take that child to the very institution I'm highlighting, to be only exposed to hatred and vitriol in the name of history lesson. History is documented. This in itself means that it has suffered inflictions of bias, inaccuracies, opinions and emotions. So to answer my girl's question I approached that 8 year old lad, congratulated him for his eloquent delivery in Punjabi despite the accent, and asked him, in front of his parents, whether he knew the names of the sons Guruji sacrificed. He drew a blank. Then I asked my girl and she rattled Sahizades' names. So I looked the boy's father in the eye and said that this is what he needs to remember. And I told my girl that Sikhs don't hate us. And I told myself that it's not an institution that I'll never visit but it's a bare building propagating hatred that I'll never set my foot in. I am sure you would answer with so whats. To approach any opposing viewpoint with nonchalance & disdain and to dismiss it with 'I dont care' is disrespectful. I'm sure my so called friends feel exactly like you do. I hope and I'll even hazard that I know that they don't mean any individual disrespect towards me and my family. But your answers/comments and tone have definitely shed a light why they are or have become so.

 

Dear Guest Saddened  hindu jee,

 it is really pitiful to listen to your painful experience in a Gurdwara along with your small 6 year old daughter.

I have to remind all my sikh brothers and sisters, wherever they maybe, that all Gurdwaras are not ours but of Guru Jee, who are the embodiment of all love, mercy and kindness, towards all humanity without any prejudiices, that is their unparalel mahanta. We must keep in mind there are 2 driving forces in the creation, one that of the mind or negativity, and the other one, of the kirpa of Wahiguru.

Nowadays, when we see our own youngsters and not so youngsters, going away from Sikhee, let us ask ourselves, is it not because of the negative impluses of their minds, due to whatever reasons that maybe?

On the other side, we also know, none can enter a Gurdwara, the gateway of the Guru, without His kirpa, His hukum.

So if this family of saddened Hindu, or any others as well, come into a Gurdwara, is it not by the hukum of Akal Purukh?

If they or anybody enters with sharda, prem, by His hukum,  it is because He wants them to listen some Sat Bachan from the Bani, which in some future may surely sprout the truth of Wahiguru in them, it is just  a matter of time, as no Bachan of the Bani goes wasted.

All the sangat in a Gurdwara without any distiction, are guests of Wahiguru, and we as sikhs have a duty towards them, in making their stay comfortable and most respectable as possible during that time being, but never ever with hatred or anger, it is a sign of disrespect towards  Sachay Patshah Wahiguru, to illtreat or misbehave with  His guests.

Guest saddened jee, I can assure you, not all my brothers and sisters of our community are as bad as they may appear to be.

We have ample proofs about it, whenever there are any disasters anywhere, our community are the first ones to go and succour those in distress. This is the main and real feature of humanity, implemented on us as selfless sewadars of Wahiguru Akal Purukh. A couple of weeks ago, there were heavy rainfalls in Mumbai, and it was our community who opened the doors of Gurdwaras to assist and help with food and water, those who were caught up in the high waters

I am quite aware, no one can never ever change the world however the intentions are good, because human beings are most complicated and difficult creatures. They can be good as angles or bad as devils, because of the devlish fanatism and narrow mindedness, fueled by some fools, so to say.

So as I told you, Sikhee is above all religions and fanatism. It is the polluted mind of those who misbehave, which impulses them to be so devlish and unhuman.

Also I will tell you, if ever you come across others who talk badly of sikhs with hatred just like that, please contribute yourself by telling them also to remove that hatred from their minds, for blood can not wash blood, there has to be  a full stop and a new begining of peace and harmony among all communities.

We may fall down many a times, but nevertheless should give a try, because after all it is our good karam and bhakti which counts in the end.

Guest jee, may God bless you.

Sat Sree Akal.

 

[Guest]

Guest Saddened Hindu ji

We are sad that you had to go through that experience. But read Guru granth sahib for yourself. You won't find any hatred 

Also it takes two hands to clap

Taali ek haath se nai bajti

My Hindu "friend" who is a hardcore hindutva fan have insulted my sikh faith numerous times. And once even wiped his gulabjamun syrup hand on my turban

Your RSS hindutva bodies routinely spread lies about sikhism with aim to undermine it. Your radical hindutva outfits are wreaking havoc in punjab and calling shots. 

You can't blame sikhs only. We trusted india nd hindoos, but were backstabbed numerous times

Don't expect an apologist attitude from us. You aren't getting any. If you don't feel like going to gurudwara, no one is forcing you to. 

[Guest]

You first introspect the kind of crrap that happens from your hindu side before blaming it at sikhs entirely 

Also you have no right to say sikhism is wrong, when your own religion is corrupted to no end by varna system and brahmins. 

You ppl destroyed  buddhist and jain monasteries too. Now want to do same with Sikhism 

[Siddhartha]

3 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Guest Saddened Hindu ji

We are sad that you had to go through that experience. But read Guru granth sahib for yourself. You won't find any hatred 

Also it takes two hands to clap

Taali ek haath se nai bajti

My Hindu "friend" who is a hardcore hindutva fan have insulted my sikh faith numerous times. And once even wiped his gulabjamun syrup hand on my turban

Your RSS hindutva bodies routinely spread lies about sikhism with aim to undermine it. Your radical hindutva outfits are wreaking havoc in punjab and calling shots. 

You can't blame sikhs only. We trusted india nd hindoos, but were backstabbed numerous times

Don't expect an apologist attitude from us. You aren't getting any. If you don't feel like going to gurudwara, no one is forcing you to. 

Ajeet...what do you think I'm doing here in this forum my brother? Seeking apology? For what? And you say it takes two to tango and in same breath you say don't go to gurudwara, no one is forcing you. Brother...ek haath se taali nahi bajti...I'm requesting you to not hurt...and you are telling me to introspect...what do you think I have done that I'm here? Who is blaming sikhs? Did I even mention it? How did you deduce it? Mere bhai...taali meri gaal pe baja ke kuch shanti milti ho to aisa hi sahi...

I can't stop words coming from your mouth just like you couldn't in case of your hindu friend. But I also would have not let go the opportunity to put him on his behind if he had committed such disrespect.

I can't stop what MY RSS is doing and you can't rein in the conduct of various factions in SGPC. Circle of concern and circle of influence. We have our concerns Ajeet about which we can't do anything  but what are we doing with issues that we have influence on? This is why Im here. We should be doing our bit to reduce this hatred by inviting eachother my brother. Not push away by saying no one is forcing you to go to gurudwara. It takes two to tango. I am here my brother with open mind and open heart.

[simran345]

9 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

Nowadays, when we see our own youngsters and not so youngsters, going away from Sikhee, let us ask ourselves, is it not because of the negative impluses of their minds, due to whatever reasons that maybe?

How is talking about 1984 going away from Sikhi? It's not only Sikhs that were affected by it. Stop making this into something it's not. The facts are there, ask any one that lost their loved ones then how it's affected them. 

[simran345]

@Siddhartha  you don't seem uneducated or not intelligent enough to have done something a parent would have done if they felt a child was talking in an inappropriate way. You are painting all Sikhs with the same brush of "badness" from an experience that you had. 

Firstly, nobody else reading your post was there, but you and your daughter were. But still you expect everybody to agree to the "badness" of what happened, when we've got no idea of how and what had been said by a child. We can only take your word for it, but why should we? We don't know what the exact words were said do we? 

If you had any care for Sikhi or for the sangat also, wouldn't it have been wiser to approach the Gurdwara committee? Why didn't you do that, instead of extending it into something that it's not. 

And if you don't like that Gurdwara, then go elsewhere, to a different Gurdwara. It's like your saying all Gurdwaras are discriminating. 

[Premi5]

18 hours ago, Siddhartha said:

Thankyou for extending this benefit of doubt. 

Would you be happy if Sikhs were wiped out/become Hindus?

[Siddhartha]

12 hours ago, simran345 said:

@Siddhartha  you don't seem uneducated or not intelligent enough to have done something a parent would have done if they felt a child was talking in an inappropriate way. You are painting all Sikhs with the same brush of "badness" from an experience that you had. 

Firstly, nobody else reading your post was there, but you and your daughter were. But still you expect everybody to agree to the "badness" of what happened, when we've got no idea of how and what had been said by a child. We can only take your word for it, but why should we? We don't know what the exact words were said do we? 

If you had any care for Sikhi or for the sangat also, wouldn't it have been wiser to approach the Gurdwara committee? Why didn't you do that, instead of extending it into something that it's not. 

And if you don't like that Gurdwara, then go elsewhere, to a different Gurdwara. It's like your saying all Gurdwaras are discriminating. 

Simran

How can you deduce from all the posts here so far, the words I used and how I articulated, that I'm painting all the Sikhs with the same brush. 

Why would I conjure up a story, look for a forum and then not spew venom? Do you think I have a thirst for apology or a false sense of propriety that I need to satiate by commenting in public forums? I'm not the apologist kind. I am a very confident individual at peace with my being because I have no malice and I believe in doing. Some or any action is superior to an inaction. 

To answer why I didn't approach the gurudwara committee I'll ask you a question instead. You aren't willing to believe in my story, interpreted my comments here in your own way despite them being unambiguous, believe that I had an ulterior motive by apparently making a mountain of a mole hill and "extending it into what it's not". All this presumption and ill will just through my inoccuous comments and you ask why I didn't approach a committee who would have approved the speech & the presentation thus possibly would have been the epicentre of the concern I have.

I don't need to read my comments again to be sure that I didn't take any "sides". Neither did I point a finger or used a broad brush.

To someone who has approached the supposed "other side" with his concern/feelings and someone who is trying to have a discussion to sow a seed of harmony against this dividing rancour, is " if you had any care for sikhi",  "go to a different gurudwara" is all you can say.

Please don't try to read between the lines because there is nothing. I'm writing plainly and respectfully. Just take my words and the concern they are expressing in an absolute way. I am not here to imply. If I want to say that all gurudwaras are discriminating, I'll write it exactly like that.

To forget history is the biggest mistake. It is our responsibility that our progeny is aware of our roots and history. Just like you, I too have no influence over the my whole community, their actions and their thought process. But the whole "hindu community" has not approached this forum and neither am I representing them. So please don't presume my thoughts, my intentions and connotations of the words I use to express myself. Kindly make an exception & extend me the benefit of doubt and then have a discussion.

Much regard

Siddharth

[Siddhartha]

22 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

 

Dear Guest Saddened  hindu jee,

 it is really pitiful to listen to your painful experience in a Gurdwara along with your small 6 year old daughter.

I have to remind all my sikh brothers and sisters, wherever they maybe, that all Gurdwaras are not ours but of Guru Jee, who are the embodiment of all love, mercy and kindness, towards all humanity without any prejudiices, that is their unparalel mahanta. We must keep in mind there are 2 driving forces in the creation, one that of the mind or negativity, and the other one, of the kirpa of Wahiguru.

Nowadays, when we see our own youngsters and not so youngsters, going away from Sikhee, let us ask ourselves, is it not because of the negative impluses of their minds, due to whatever reasons that maybe?

On the other side, we also know, none can enter a Gurdwara, the gateway of the Guru, without His kirpa, His hukum.

So if this family of saddened Hindu, or any others as well, come into a Gurdwara, is it not by the hukum of Akal Purukh?

If they or anybody enters with sharda, prem, by His hukum,  it is because He wants them to listen some Sat Bachan from the Bani, which in some future may surely sprout the truth of Wahiguru in them, it is just  a matter of time, as no Bachan of the Bani goes wasted.

All the sangat in a Gurdwara without any distiction, are guests of Wahiguru, and we as sikhs have a duty towards them, in making their stay comfortable and most respectable as possible during that time being, but never ever with hatred or anger, it is a sign of disrespect towards  Sachay Patshah Wahiguru, to illtreat or misbehave with  His guests.

Guest saddened jee, I can assure you, not all my brothers and sisters of our community are as bad as they may appear to be.

We have ample proofs about it, whenever there are any disasters anywhere, our community are the first ones to go and succour those in distress. This is the main and real feature of humanity, implemented on us as selfless sewadars of Wahiguru Akal Purukh. A couple of weeks ago, there were heavy rainfalls in Mumbai, and it was our community who opened the doors of Gurdwaras to assist and help with food and water, those who were caught up in the high waters

I am quite aware, no one can never ever change the world however the intentions are good, because human beings are most complicated and difficult creatures. They can be good as angles or bad as devils, because of the devlish fanatism and narrow mindedness, fueled by some fools, so to say.

So as I told you, Sikhee is above all religions and fanatism. It is the polluted mind of those who misbehave, which impulses them to be so devlish and unhuman.

Also I will tell you, if ever you come across others who talk badly of sikhs with hatred just like that, please contribute yourself by telling them also to remove that hatred from their minds, for blood can not wash blood, there has to be  a full stop and a new begining of peace and harmony among all communities.

We may fall down many a times, but nevertheless should give a try, because after all it is our good karam and bhakti which counts in the end.

Guest jee, may God bless you.

Sat Sree Akal.

 

Dear Harsharan

Your wisdom is heart-warming and your benevolence is contagious. Even though I can't be as eloquent as you, I concur with your comment in it's entirety. This is exactly why I am here. I'm not here to seek apology for what happened at the gurudwara. How can someone apologise for a thought process? And as you have commented how could the wisdom of bani go waste. I could already be a Sikh in the essence of the gurujis teachings. Harsharanji I don't have such a morose outlook of humanity that I would believe that all my Sikh brothers are the same. And you so very well epitomise that belief. As you've advised me to attempt to wash away the discord within the hearts of hindus I come across, this is my attempt to reach across to my Sikh brothers because I felt this hatred. And I decided that I have to do my part to alleviate this suffering. I look forward to more words of wisdom from you.

Regards

Siddharth