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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

How can it be Mahraj's choice, veerji? I don't understand, I mean you see many people converting into sikhi and sikhs converting to other religions, I mean some people can't feel pyaar for Sikhi, One time I met this white Sikh she use to be christian and she said that I just didn't feel love, when i got into sikhi I felt love, I felt guruji's pyaar, I have a friend who use to be a sikh and now is a christian, He believed that we should have choice to pick our religions, you know to pick a path you want to be on...

Is it the person's fault that they can't find the ultimate love for there guruji? I'm struggling, I'm trying to find the pyaar for Guruji but I can't, i've tried but I just don't feel it, is this my fault?

We should have the choice to pick our path, pray.gif

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kulpreet singh....what's this giyaan you're talking about?...

yes...there's is giyaan in sikhi...but you TELL me what giyaan there is in sikhi that is not in the other religions?...

cuz i too listen to the christian preachers...i also listen to qwalis of bullay shah...i also read the East and West series published by followers of T.L Wasvani....

i also read books by Joel S. Goldsmith, also read poetry written by Walt Whitman......

and in all this reading and watching....i find that the basic GIYAAAN is the SAME...that is the only reason i would read these thiings....the only reason i read parmahansa yogananda's books are becasue in them i see the teachings of my guru ji also....the teaching of our guru ji's permeate through all these different religions....it's not the RELIGIONS fault that followers screw up....

but honestly i want to know this SECRET gurmat giyaan...cuz maaan...i've grown up in a very religious household with parents who live and breathe sikhi...and i've NEVER heard of this secret giyaan that's not available to my friends who are christians, hindus, muslims....

funny how 2000 years ago, jesus came down to teach the world humillity and love and today his followers go around telling people they are the best...

funny how mohammed came down to teach the world humility and love and today his followers say that he was the only true prophet...

funny how the jews were taught to be humble and loving and today they say they were the CHOSEN people....

i NEVER thought i'd add sikhi to that list....

but oh well...here it goes...

Funny how the SIKH gurus took ten lives (on top of lea

ving us with dhan dhan sri guru granth sahib ji) to teach us universal love and brotherhood...funny how they had friends who were both hindu and sikh....funny how the first brick layed at darbar sahib was done by a sufi saint...funny how darbar sahib's doors face four directions...funny how NOWHERE in guru granth sahib does it say that ONLY sikhs of guru sahib will be saven....YET...today we have people on this board and others saying how sikhi is the only way....vah vah vah....how many years did it take us to get here?...only 400 hundred years?...i'd hate to imagine what will happen in the next 400 years.....

also..i don't get what you mean by you know that gurus came in differnt forms and it's still the same guru....READ the gurbani tuk carefully....it doesn't say 10 forms...it says ANEK (as in countless) forms....

i really hope you reply and tell me what this giyaan is that you talk about...

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

How can it be Mahraj's choice, veerji? I don't understand, I mean you see many people converting into sikhi and sikhs converting to other religions, I mean some people can't feel pyaar for Sikhi, One time I met this white Sikh she use to be christian and she said that I just didn't feel love, when i got into sikhi I felt love, I felt guruji's pyaar, I have a friend who use to be a sikh and now is a christian, He believed that we should have choice to pick our religions, you know to pick a path you want to be on...

Is it the person's fault that they can't find the ultimate love for there guruji? I'm struggling, I'm trying to find the pyaar for Guruji but I can't, i've tried but I just don't feel it, is this my fault?

We should have the choice to pick our path, pray.gif

You wish to find the Love of God/Guru, Prayer is a solution, Pray now, Pray with every breath, every Molecule in your body, that he may bestow his love upon you. You cannot love him unless he bestows his grace upon you to make you capable of loving him.

HE ALONE CAN KNOW HIMSELF,

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ND ONLY THE RAREST CAN DESCRIBE HIM;

HE BEQUEATHS THE QUALITY OF HIS STATE TO WHOMEVER HE CHOOSES.

NANAK SAYS, HE IS THE KING OF KINGS.

One last priceless thing in this sutra. Dhun-Nun was an Egyptian fakir. When he realized God he heard a voice in the skies which said, "Dhun Nun, before you set out in search of Me, I had already chosen you. Had I not, you would never have set out in search of Me."

Nanak says that He ordains the one He chooses with the quality to sing His praise. The fact is, you set out to seek Him only when He has knocked at your door. How can you set out on this tremendous quest all by yourself? How can you arrive at the idea of the quest, how can you acquire His remembrance, how can His praise be born within you, if He does not will it?

Then no matter how long it takes in the quest, the fact is that He has already chosen you. Your search has begun; He has already entered into your life. He has awakened the thirst within you and Nanak says: It is He alone who awakens the thirst for Him.

Nanak's method is: leave all to Him. Keep nothing in your hands because the arrogance of the ego can arise very subtly. You may begin to say, "I am a seeker, I am in quest of God." But Nanak, so that this I does not take root anywhere, says it is His grace that confers the quality to sing His praise. We can only sing Your praise if You will us to do so. How can we sing Your praise without Your direction? We cannot even raise our eyes towards You unless You give support to our vision. Our feet can never walk along Your path unless You direct them. We cannot think of You, or dream of You, or ponder over You, unless You have already chosen us.

Nanak plucks out all roots of the ego. Where ego is not, there His doors open to us; where ego is not, the resonance of Omkar starts on its own. Only because of the tumult and noise of your ego, can you not hear the faint resonance within.

It is his

Grace, his hand. His Wind(Love) that uses Your Sails(Heart) to carry you across. You can use peddles to carry you, you can use Gas Engines, all are limited by the use of either Gasoline or the energy of your body. Wind is his Love that carrys you across. The Sail is your heart that accepts his Love with Gratitude and pushes back. only when the Sail pushes back the Love with Love can teh boat move. Such is his love.

"Mayra Muj May Kush Nahi JO Kish Hai So Tayra" So what do you have in this world that is yours??

The Potential to love exists in every Man in the world, even the most evil. It is only Forgotten, the ability is only forgotten. The Seed has already been planted, it is up to us to Water that seed. So how do you water that seed, Vairraaaaaaaaaaaag....water it with your tears of Vairaag. Water it with your tears. Pray that he may darken the skies of your world from the Blazing Sun of Maya that has dried your heart and shower you with his love so the seed of love may sprout. Pray veer ji Pray, Pray Pray. Let the Prayer become your instrument of Vairraag. Let the Prayer become your meditation, Let Prayer become your medium. Let it not be a recited or a written down prayer, but that which is born from your heart at the moment.

"God helps those who help themselves"

Never Give up, Never, he always listens, Always. A child cries for his mother, the Mother may have 100 of things to do, but always hears the cry of her child. Always. It is we that get distracted by the world and forget about our Mother. We may forget about her, but she never Forgets Us. NEVER.

Besides the Quote this is only my view piyario, may you find it usefull in your quest. May he bless you with his Infinite Love. May he awaken that dormant seed of love within all of our hearts.

God bless you veer, God bless you....Waheguru, Dhan Guru Nanak, Waheguru, Waheguru. Waheguru.

Also have a read of this

" HE AND ONLY HE IS THE TRUE LORD. HE IS TRUTH -- SATNAM.

HE IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE. THOUGH ALL VANISH HIS REALITY WILL NEVER LEAVE.

HE CREATED MAYA -- THINGS OF VARIOUS COLORS AND EMOTIONS AND DISPOSITIONS.

HE CREATES ALL THINGS AND WATCHING OVER THEM, HE ALSO GIVES THEM GREATNESS.

What a wonderful thing Nanak has said. He says God makes the creation, and having made it, He looks at it, just as a painter paints a picture, then steps back a little to view his work. He observes it closely, he steps to the right and looks, steps to the left and looks again. Then he views it from a distance, then he takes it up to the window to scrutinize it in the light and in shadow. He examines it in a thousand ways, as does a sculptor.

HE CREATES ALL THINGS AND WATCHING OVER THEM, HE ALSO GIVES THEM GREATNESS.

Thus He gives prominence and importance to His creation. So God is not against samsara or else why should He create it?

Nor is he maya's enemy, or why should He bother with it? So the difficulty encountered by logic had no ground with the devotee. Nanak says not only does He create but He admires His creation and looks at it exultantly, thus giving it honor and importance. Remember, God has created you and having created you he has examined you from all sides, and He is still looking at you constantly as a part of His own handiwork, giving you dignity and importance; and on its own all sin will fade away from your life. If you remember this you will move about as a creation of His. You will speak and hear, fully conscious of the fact that you are His creation. In all your dealings you will be conscious of the fact that you are His and He is looking after you all the time. He watches over you constantly. He provides you with comfort and care. He looks at you lovingly, again and again. He never tires of looking at you. He is pleased with you for it is He who has made you. He

is neither disappointed nor disheartened by your ways or else He could destroy you so easily. No matter how bad and sinful you become, His flame of hope for you never burns out. No matter how far you wander away from Him, no matter how completely you forget Him and turn your back on Him, His loving gaze is still fixed on you. For He knows that if not today, tomorrow you are sure to return. Sooner or later the prodigal must return, his coming back is certain, for the further you go away from Him the more unhappy you will become, like a little child who has run away from home.

A little child, barely four years old, ran away from home. He took a small bundle of clothes and set out. A policeman found him going back and forth along the side of the road a number of times. He approached him, thinking he needed help, and asked, "Where do you want to go? Where have you come from?"

The child said, "I have run away from home but Mother always said not to cross the road, but to stay on this side.

Now I don't know what to do, since I can't cross over."

How far can a small child stray? Even if he does, Mommy has always set a limit and how can he disobey her?

How far will you wander from God? Even if you are angry with Him for some reason, you will keep shuttling between home and the road crossing. How far can you go and where will you go? Wherever you roam it is within His boundaries. Wherever you are will be within Him. Your anger is the anger of a little child; it is nothing but a part of love. He is never displeased by your displeasure.

Nanak says: He gives you importance and glorified you. What He has created He surveys, and He likes what He surveys. "

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I heard it somewhere that Sach-Khand can be interpreted as,

SACH-god

KHAND- place to live.

So our body is sach khand because God resides in our body.Every religion tells us the path to identify the God within us. Gurbani is also inline with this philosiphy.

If that is True Veer ji, then all of us have bodies, The spirit within these bodies is the same, should SachKhand not be availabe to everyone. How is it that Sachkhand be limited to Sikhs Only.

You know its funny how we say that Sikh Religion is not like everyone elses....yet we are becoming the same type of religon that we tend to seperate ourselves from. The followers of Jesus Say the same thing. Their SachKhand is the "Kingdom of God" and only those who belive in Jesus as their Lord and Saivour can enter. Same With Muslims, Only those who belive in Muhammed and the Koran can acheive jannat?

So What is this Sachkhand, Kingdom of God, Jannat that makes everyone want to Guard the enterence of those with a certain type of Religion?

Im curious if in our Past live we were born in a Hindu Religion or a Islamic Religion and spoke the same reptitive line of only Muslims, or Only Hindus.

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

^_^ Sadhsangat ji thank you soooooooooo soooooooooo soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo MUCH for your input and dealing with my silly questions, it means a lot to me, after reading the things everyone has said, has made me realise a lot and I still have a descion to make and i want to thank you

Now I have another question ok we believe in one god all religions they have that message we all believe in one GOD! But now after reading and how some veerji's and panji's had said that Sikhi is the only way you can get into Sachkhand which is like heaven but more better. Like Singh132 said, those religions can help you reach the epitome of their faith like heaven or paradise, but those are lower than Sach Khand.

one thing I don't get is If we Believe in one GOD then why are differnt places to reach~Meaning why is there a heaven, paradise, sachkhand, we believe in one god we should have one place where everyone can merge with god

I've always been told the God is light and we merge within the light, and now am confused :wub:

If I said anything bad I'm sorry and i mean that from the bottom of my heart, remember I don't know anything

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In this age of kalyug only True Guru can save everybody by giving gurmantar. True Guru is only Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Gurmantar is given by Panj Pyare at Amrit Sanchaar.

nwnk gurU gurU hY pUrw imil siqgur nwmu iDAwieAw ]4]5]
vyd kqyb Agocrw vwihgurU guru Sbd suxwXw]

vaedh kathaeb agocharaa vaahiguroo gur shabadh sunaayaa||

The Gurus recited Word-Guru as Vahiguru who is beyond the Vedas and Katebas (the semtic scriptures).

Word Waheguru is the greatest of all. No other religion has "gurmantar" and no prophet is given the title of "Guru". "Satgur Mera Poora" and only Guru Granth Sahib Ji is "Poora Satguru". Guru Ji says:

siqgur kI bwxI siq siq kir jwxhu gurisKhu hir krqw Awip muhhu kFwey ]

sathigur kee baanee sath sath kar jaanahu gurasikhahu har karathaa aap muhahu kadtaaeae ||

O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it.

yes, other religions say their scriptures are "word of god" but whenever mohammad talked he said "I", "my" etc. whenever jesus talked "I will save you" etc. but what about Guru Ji?

nwnku nIcu khY ilv lwie ]8]4]

naanak neech kehai liv laae ||8||4||

Nanak, the lowly, says embrace love for the Lord. ||8||4||

ibnvMiq nwnk Aws qyrI srix swDU rwKu nIcu ]2]

binava(n)th naanak aas thaeree saran saadhhoo raakh neech ||2||

r>Prays Nanak, my hope is in You, Lord; please preserve me, the lowly one, in the Sanctuary of the Holy. ||2||

nwnku nIcu iBiKAw dir jwcY mY dIjY nwmu vfweI hy ]16]1]

naanak neech bhikhiaa dhar jaachai mai dheejai naam vaddaaee hae ||16||1||

Nanak, the lowly, begs for charity at Your Door; please, bless him with the glorious greatness of Your Name. ||16||1||

Now you see, other religions are not free from ego and pride and not 100% true. they talk about going to heaven which is a form of an attachment but Sikhi says no to wordly attachment. heaven is part of the creation hence it is maya. Gursikhs should only be attached to the feet of Guru Ji (Waheguru). goal in SIkhi is to live true way of life. once a mahapurash said: "Life of a true gursikh is so high that even mukti stands at the door begging for darshan of true gursikh." Guru Ji describes Waheguru to be Pure Truth. Guru Ji says "truth is the highest but truthful living is even higher." therefore, a gursikh should try his best to live a true way of life and not worry about going to heaven or sachkhand. true gursikhs live in bhana.

gur Amrdws kwrx krx ijv qU rKih iqv rhau ]4]18]

gur amaradhaas kaaran karan jiv thoo rakhehi thiv reho ||4||18||

O Guru Amar Daas, Doer of deeds, Cause of causes, as You keep me, I remain; as You protect me, I survive. ||4||18||

Sikhi is 100% true. nothing contradicts with science, politics or anything else. just pure truth. is there any religion out there that does not contradict with science? any religion with concept of miri piri, gurmantar, true guru, and seva simran? the answer is no which means only Sikhi goes all the way. other religions don't. believe in whatever you want. but only True Guru Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the savior. no one else. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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Jedi Singh,

This is a long discussion, but please bear with me. Sikhi believes in 5 realms that exist in the afterlife. I'll try to describe them here as best as I can.

Dharam Khand: It is here that all souls go once the body dies and it is here they must face the actions they have done in life and receive orders for their new homes. Heaven and Hell are not elevated realms at all, but temporary ones where a soul receives the fruit of karma and once again returns to life forms. Heaven/Jannat are not Sachkhand. They are very much lower than that. Islam and Christianity do not consider heaven or paradise to be union with God, but simply a very nice place for the soul to reside. Merger with God is not a concept they understand. In fact for Muslims it is blasphemy to even suggest it is possible. Why do these other realms even exist? Becaue God is merciful. Whatever the soul desires, that is what it gets. Those souls desire this place of "beauty" with many comforts, and so they get it.

Gian Khand. This is perhaps as high as "regular" people can go. If you read about astral travellers, they will tell you that the highest they can go is a realm of pure light and knowledge. No questions exist, just knowledge. This is also a temporary realm and not the final resting place for the soul. It is here that you will find Krishan, Shiva, Brahma, Indra, Sidhas, Buddha and others (Japji Sahib tells us this).

Sharam Khand. This is where we receive completely new senses and understanding. It is radically different than our consciousness as it is now. Everything from here on in is beyond description and understanding to our bra

ins. Guru Nanak Dev jee tries to let us know but says that if someone tries to describe from here on in, they will regret it. It is as hard as iron (in the words of Guru Nanak) to describe these realms. (That's probably why those spiritual people who describe realms can describe Gian Khand, but nothing more. Because only real bhagti can show us anything higher)

Karam Khand. God is like the sun. His rays are everywhere but he too has place. This is Sachkhand. If Sachkhand is like a home, then karam khand is like the verandah. Saints who have realised that naam is the path to God, but did not have the powerful mantra of Guru Nanak come here. They are very blessed souls.

Sach Khand. This is the Darbaar (court) of God. It cannot be explained. All that can be said is that those who meditate on Gurmat-Naam, the most powerful of mantras and the one with the greatest frequency, come here. It is beyond description.

Amrit is the initiation through which you learn the Mantra of Guru Nanak and receive instructions on how to use it. When the mantra is imparted, some lose all their senses and cannot physically stop reciting it. The jot (divine light) of God is revealed and the more they meditate on the mantra, the brighter it glows. Others who have not such high karma, must work hard at its meditation and eventually they too will reach such a state.

I hope this description has helped.

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I heard it somewhere that Sach-Khand can be interpreted as,

SACH-god

KHAND- place to live.

So our body is sach khand because God resides in our body.Every religion tells us the path to identify the God within us.  Gurbani is also inline with this philosiphy.

If that is True Veer ji, then all of us have bodies, The spirit within these bodies is the same, should SachKhand not be availabe to everyone. How is it that Sachkhand be limited to Sikhs Only.

Sachkhand is NOT limited to sikhs only. Anybdy who can get rid of this veil of maya can see God within him or her. God is everywhere, but we need "those eyes" to see Him. Once the illusion of maya is gone then god is everywhere whereever we look.

Its hard to say anything without experiencing that stage. I got the above idea by reading few angs of SGGS ji and few discussions with some of my friendz.

This is what guru ji tell us everywhere in SGGS ji that "sabh gobind hai sabh gobind hai" and "tuun sabni thanee jithee hoon jaeen".

There are certain c

onditions for getting "those eyes" to see God.First and foremost is His grace, rest everything comes along.

I hope I made my point clear here.

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vaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaavaaheguroojeekeefathehhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

JSS Veerjee said:

i really hope you reply and tell me what this giyaan is that you talk about...
Please read Bijla Singh veerjee's post. It used GURBANI as its support. Gurbani has all the answers. Gurbani says this giyaan unique to Sikhi is GURMAT NAAM.

Pheena Veerjee said:

What is SachKhand Veer?

Please read Singh132 veerjee's post. It explains the 5 khands on the basis of GURBANI. These khands are described in Jap Ji Sahib. Only those who have GURMAT NAAM reach Sach Khand, and even that is only if they are a very pure soul.

please forgive my mistakes,

vaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaa

vaaheguroojeekeefathehh!!!!

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Mahraj Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says that all religions if followed properly are a way 2 Vaheguru, I do not believe that sikhi is superior to other religions

Where does it say that??? It seems very lovey-dovey to believe that all paths are great and lead to God, but it's patently FALSE.

I've already given shabads from baNee that say that not all paths lead to Vahiguru, where are the lines that say they do?

bak bak vaadh chalaaeiaa bin naavai bikh jaan ||1||

Talking too much, one only starts arguments. Without the Name, everything is poison - know this well. ||1||

byd kqyb khhu mq JUTy JUTw jo n ibcwrY ]

baedh kathaeb kehahu math jhoot(h)ae jhoot(h)aa jo n bichaarai ||

Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.

Basically it's my interpretation of things, everyone has their own personal interpretation of bani that's the beaty of it

The 1st question of Whether Amrit is the only way is a difficult Question and I don&

#39;t think any of us have the answer to this apart from Guru Ji, i say you do ardas and ask for Guru Ji's guidance in this matter ...its best getting your answer from the Guru....that's jus this moorakhs opinion though

bak bak vaadh chalaaeiaa bin naavai bikh jaan ||1||

Talking too much, one only starts arguments. Without the Name, everything is poison - know this well. ||1||

bhull chukk muaff

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pauVI ]

qUM Awpy hI isD swiDko qU Awpy hI jug jogIAw ]

qU Awpy hI rs rsIAVw qU Awpy hI Bog BogIAw ]

qU Awpy Awip vrqdw qU Awpy krih su hogIAw ]

sqsMgiq siqgur DMnu Dnuo DMn DMn Dno ijqu imil hir bulg bulogIAw ]

siB khhu muKhu hir hir hry hir hir hry hir bolq siB pwp lhogIAw ]1]

pourree ||

thoo(n) aapae hee sidhh saadhhiko thoo aapae hee jug jogeeaa ||

thoo aapae hee ras raseearraa thoo aapae hee bhog bhogeeaa ||

thoo aapae aap varathadhaa thoo aapae karehi s hogeeaa ||

sathasa(n)gath sathigur dhha(n)n dhhanuo

dhha(n)n dhha(n)n dhhano jith mil har bulag bulogeeaa ||

sabh kehahu mukhahu har har harae har har harae har bolath sabh paap lehogeeaa ||1||

Pauree:

You Yourself are the Siddha and the seeker; You Yourself are the Yoga and the Yogi.

You Yourself are the Taster of tastes; You Yourself are the Enjoyer of pleasures.

You Yourself are All-pervading; whatever You do comes to pass.

Blessed, blessed, blessed, blessed, blessed is the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation of the True Guru. Join them - speak and chant the Lord's Name.

Let everyone chant together the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, Haray, Har, Har, Haray; chanting Har, all sins are washed away. ||1||

as of Maharaj SAche Patsha being the true Guru in Kalyug there is no douyt off, but what about the millions and biliions of people wjo lived before Maharaj ji's time, no1 out of them went to Sach Khand?

there was a thread on TApoban trying to prove tha all the BHagat Sahibans who's bani is in Maharaj Sache patsha met at ayodya with Guru Nanak Dev ji,

however tha is not possible, as Bhagat Navmdev ji is said to have lived 1270 AD

http://allaboutsikhs.com/bhagats/bhagatnamdev.htm

made a quick search of google, and noted tha a hand full of website (atleast the few first) said 1270 - seems to make sense :T:

What is my point?

Without doubt Maharaj s THE TRue Guru, but tha dones't mean thers no others, are you doubting Bhagat Namdev jiis in Sach Kha

nd :T:

Where does MAharaj ji say - he is the ONLY he - Maharaj ji says Bani is the true way, but does he say he is the ONLY way, that would contradict to Guru Nanak Dev ji's Wonderful Bani -

nwnku nIcu khY ilv lwie ]8]4]

naanak neech kehai liv laae ||8||4||

Nanak, the lowly, says embrace love for the Lord. ||8||4||

bhull chukk maaf...

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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sorry kp...none of the gurbani tuks provided by bijla singh veer say that gurmat naam is THE ONLY naaam....

vaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaa,

vaaheguroojeekeefatheh!!!

One of my biggest faults is that i read gurbani but sometimes purposely ignore what it says. gurbani is the ultimate truth.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji has said:

when i grasped your arm, since then i wouldn't even face towards another

countless people remember raam, raheem, the puranas and kuran - i don't follow any of them.

countless people recite the simrittis, shastras, vaydas and other holy texts - i don't recognize any of them.

Oh Great Sword of Immortal Truth, show your mercy. I am not speaking, this is all your command.

It cannot be ignored that there is one naam, one shabad, one bani, and one guru - that is the teaching of Gurbani.

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I will continue to believe in Guru Granth Sahib jee as the "shabad roop" of Akaal Purakh, and the Guru of the world.

please forgive my mistakes

vaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaa

vaaheguroojeekeefatheh!!!

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avaro n jaanehi sabadh gur kai eaek naam dhhiaavehae ||

Dwelling upon the Word of the Guru's Shabad, he does not know any other; he meditates on the One Name of the Lord.

Bhatt (Baba) Sundar

Raag Raamkalee

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eyko nwmu hukmu hY nwnk siqguir dIAw buJwie jIau ]5]

eaeko naam hukam hai naanak sathigur dheeaa bujhaae jeeo ||5||

The One Name is the Lord's Command; O Nanak, the True Guru has given me this understanding. ||5||

Guru Nanak Dev Ji

Siree Raag

72

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mY Avru igAwnu n iDAwnu pUjw hir nwmu AMqir vis rhy ]

mai avar giaan n dhhiaan poojaa har naam a(n)thar vas rehae ||

I have no other spiritual wisdom, meditation or worship; the Name of the Lord alone dwells deep within me.

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Guru Nanak Dev Ji

Raag Bilaaval

844

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gurdyv dwqw hir nwmu aupdysY gurdyv mMqu inroDrw ]

guradhaev dhaathaa har naam oupadhaesai guradhaev ma(n)th nirodhharaa ||

The Divine Guru is the Giver, the Teacher of the Lord's Name. The Divine Guru is the Mantra which never fails.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji

Raag Gauree

250

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eyko mMqRü idRVwey AauKDu scu nwmu ird gwiexw ]2]

eaeko ma(n)thra dhrirraaeae aoukhadhh sach naam ridh gaaeinaa ||2||

He shall administer the medicine, the One Mantra of the One Name. Sing the True Name within your heart. ||2||

Guru Arjan Dev Ji

Raag Maaroo

1077

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pan style='font-family:GurbaniWebThick'>bwxI mMqRü mhw purKn kI mnih auqwrn mWn kau ]

baanee ma(n)thra mehaa purakhan kee manehi outhaaran maa(n)n ko ||

Bani is the greatest Mantra of all. It eradicates pride from the mind.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji

Raag Saarang

1208

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sloku mÚ 1 ]

salok ma 1 ||

Shalok, First Mehl:

sqI pwpu kir squ kmwih ]

sathee paap kar sath kamaahi ||

Men of charity gather wealth by committing sins, and then give it away in donations to charity.

gur dIiKAw Gir dyvx jwih ]

gur dheekhiaa ghar dhaevan jaahi ||

Their spiritual teachers go to their homes to instruct them.

iesqrI purKY KitAY Bwau ]

eisatharee purakhai khattiai bhaao |

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The woman loves the man only for his wealth;

BwvY Awvau BwvY jwau ]

bhaavai aavo bhaavai jaao ||

they come and go as they please.

swsqu bydu n mwnY koie ]

saasath baedh n maanai koe ||

No one obeys the Shaastras or the Vedas.

Awpo AwpY pUjw hoie ]

aapo aapai poojaa hoe ||

Everyone worships himself.

kwjI hoie kY bhY inAwie ]

kaajee hoe kai behai niaae ||

Becoming judges, they sit and administer justice.

Pyry qsbI kry Kudwie ]

faerae thasabee karae khudhaae ||

They chant on their malas, and call upon God.

vFI lY kY hku gvwey ]

vadtee lai kai hak gavaaeae ||

tyle='color:080088'>They accept bribes, and block justice.

jy ko puCY qw piV suxwey ]

jae ko pushhai thaa parr sunaaeae ||

If someone asks them, they read quotations from their books.

qurk mMqRü kin irdY smwih ]

thurak ma(n)thra kan ridhai samaahi ||

The Muslim scriptures are in their ears and in their hearts.

lok muhwvih cwVI Kwih ]

lok muhaavehi chaarree khaahi ||

They plunder the people, and engage in gossip and flattery.

caukw dy kY sucw hoie ]

choukaa dhae kai suchaa hoe ||

They anoint their kitchens to try to become pure.

AYsw ihMdU vyKhu koie ]

aisaa hi(n)dhoo vaekhahu koe ||

Behold, such is the Hindu.

jogI igrhI jtw ibBUq ]

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080088]jogee girehee jattaa bibhooth ||[/color]

The Yogi, with matted hair and ashes on his body, has become a householder.

AwgY pwCY rovih pUq ][/color]

aagai paashhai rovehi pooth ||

The children weep in front of him and behind him.

jogu n pwieAw jugiq gvweI ]

jog n paaeiaa jugath gavaaee ||

He does not attain Yoga - he has lost his way.

ikqu kwrix isir CweI pweI ]

kith kaaran sir shhaaee paaee ||

Why does he apply ashes to his forehead?

nwnk kil kw eyhu prvwxu ]

naanak kal kaa eaehu paravaan ||

O Nanak, this is the sign of the Dark Age of Kali Yuga;

Awpy AwKxu Awpy jwxu ]1]

aapae aakhan aapae jaan ||1||

everyone says that he himself knows. ||1||

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iekw bwxI ieku guru ieko sbdu vIcwir ]

eikaa baanee eik gur eiko sabadh veechaar ||

There is One Bani; there is One Guru; there is one Shabad to contemplate.

Guru Amar Daas Ji

Raag Sorath

646

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This Shabad is by Guru Raam Daas Ji in Raag Soohee on Pannaa 733

sy Bgq sy syvkw ijnw hir nwmu ipAwrw ]

sae bhagath sae saevakaa jinaa har naam piaaraa ||

They alone are devotees, and they alone are selfless servants, who love the Lord's Name.

iqn kI syvw qy hir pweIAY isir inMdk kY pvY Cwrw ]3]

thin kee saevaa thae har paaeeai sir ni(n)dhak kai pavai shhaaraa ||3||

By their selfless service, they find the Lord, while ashes fall on the heads of the slanderers. ||3||

ijsu Gir ivrqI soeI jwxY jgq gur nwnk pUiC krhu bIcwrw ]

jis ghar virathee soee jaanai jagath gur naanak pooshh karahu beechaaraa ||

He alone knows this, who experiences it within the home of his own self. Ask Guru Nanak, the Guru of the world, and reflect upon it.

chu pIVI Awid jugwid bKIlI iknY n pwieE hir syvk Bwie insqwrw ]4]2]9]

chahu peerree aadh jugaadh bakheelee kinai n paaeiou har saevak bhaae nisathaaraa ||4||2||9||

Throughout the four generations of the Gurus, from the beginning of time and throughout the ages, no one has ever found the Lord by back-biting and undermining. Only by serving the Lord with love, is one emancipated. ||4||2||9||

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Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh..!!

i NEVER thought i'd add sikhi to that list....

but oh well...here it goes...

Funny how the SIKH gurus took ten lives (on top of leaving us with dhan dhan sri guru granth sahib ji) to teach us universal love and brotherhood...funny how they had friends who were both hindu and sikh....funny how the first brick layed at darbar sahib was done by a sufi saint...funny how darbar sahib's doors face four directions...funny how NOWHERE in guru granth sahib does it say that ONLY sikhs of guru sahib will be saven....YET...today we have people on this board and others saying how sikhi is the only way....vah vah vah....how many years did it take us to get here?...only 400 hundred years?...i'd hate to imagine what will happen in the next 400 years.....

sadh sangat jeeo... i think JSS veerji's post was a big slap in the face for everybody... i mean i've heard this kind of thing where 'our religion is the only one' blah blah blah.. i's all nonsense.. i mean i would expect to hear this type of thingz from CERTAIN followers of other religions such as Christianity or Islam ..no disrespect to them at ALL, but i myself and several people i know have been told by their followers that 'ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION, IF U DON'T FOLLOW ISLAM YOU WILL GO TO HELL' etc... that sorta thing.. but tha's all bull****....

i see everybody g

oing around grabbing shabads from here and there.. grabbing a line from one shabad and another line from a diff shabad.... in every religion they believe in one supreme lord which they call god.. We call it Vaheguru, in Islam, Allah etc...

lemme point u guyz back to the VERY FIRST thing u will see from our 11th Guru.. EK OANKAR.... now i wan't u guyz to really think bout that.. GOD IS ONE.... but don't stop there.. LOOK DEEPER.. everybody these dayz takes translations from shabads as JUST wht they translate.. we all have to look DEEPER.. in almost every shabad and every tuk there is a DEEPER meaning to what i's saying.. and there's small words that we might mistake.. i.e. Hinduism for Hindus...etc...

like i said in one'a my first posts... EVERY RELIGION leads to God.... Guru... Allah... in Sikhi.. we believe our path is the FASTEST and best for SIKHS... i encourage people to listen to kathha's by parminder singh on gurmatstudies.com.... in one'a them (i forget which one) he says just that... that every religion has a path to god... we believe ours is the most straight path....

now to say that Sikhi is the ONLY path to Guru Jee is LUDICROUS..!! this type of thing would REALLY offend some people.. and probably about 90% of the world.. how would u feel if followers of Islam were coming up to you and sayin ISLAM is the only way and followers of SIKHI will NOT get to God.. that Islam is the only path to Guru Jee..... THINK about what u people are saying... if u read Gurbani carefully.. Our Guru's did not criticize the religions themselves.. they criticized their followers and the rituals their followers created...

now tell me.. is there ANY difference between God, Allah or Vaheguru ???

EK OANKAR..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bhul chuk maaf....

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh..???

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