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CAUSE OF DEATH OF SIKH GURUS.

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What were the causes that  :-

1. Guru Angad Dev Died at the age 47.

2. Guru Ram Das ji Died at the age 46.

3. Guru Hargobind Ji at age 48.

4. Guru Har Rai ji Died at age 31.

5. Guru Harkrishan Ji Died at age 7. ( Most children survive chicken pox, Could there possibly a Conspiracy here and against all the gurus ) ?

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Guru Har Krishan ji took on smallpox by doing sewa of the sangat , he pulled all their suffering onto himself not chickenpox  try actually reading history.

 

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okay i had the doubt anyway... thanks for clearing it....

Is there any history available regarding other gurus ?

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1 hour ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

The Guru's body only passed away 

Yeah but how ? A random body cant just pass away at the age 31and in 40s right ?

I mean ill appreciate if you know any author who has addressed this topic in their book... 

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14 minutes ago, APEY13 said:

Yeah but how ? A random body cant just pass away at the age 31and in 40s right ?

I mean ill appreciate if you know any author who has addressed this topic in their book... 

There are obviously stories behind them, to be honest, I learnt most of my stuff in religious studies classes and not really from my parents who are Sikh. 

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The main reasons behind the deaths of sikh Gurus, is, abve all to set an example for us humans, that they while being Akal Purukh Himself, abide by the Laws of Nature, unlike us humans, who if get any little power we start manipultaing and become corrupt.

And then the second reason, is that, the causes of their deaths are just excuses to leave, for once again, they abide by His Hukum in doing anything.

They came for a certain period of time, for  a certain purpose, of igniting the prem and sharda in the hearts of us humans, for His Lotus Feet, and to remind us, that only His Name, is permanent and eternal Sach, to which we should attach ourselves, for all else is:  futile, inert, temporary  and perishable.

Sat Sree Akal.

 

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2 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

 

The main reasons behind the deaths of sikh Gurus, is, abve all to set an example for us humans, that they while being Akal Purukh Himself, abide by the Laws of Nature, unlike us humans, who if get any little power we start manipultaing and become corrupt.

And then the second reason, is that, the causes of their deaths are just excuses to leave, for once again, they abide by His Hukum in doing anything.

They came for a certain period of time, for  a certain purpose, of igniting the prem and sharda in the hearts of us humans, for His Lotus Feet, and to remind us, that only His Name, is permanent and eternal Sach, to which we should attach ourselves, for all else is:  futile, inert, temporary  and perishable.

Sat Sree Akal.

 

How do you know Guru Har Rai died a natural death at age 31 ?

 

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3 hours ago, GuestSikh06 said:

There are obviously stories behind them, to be honest, I learnt most of my stuff in religious studies classes and not really from my parents who are Sikh. 

I would love to hear those stories.

 

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3 hours ago, APEY13 said:

How do you know Guru Har Rai died a natural death at age 31 ?

 

Brother,

I do not know what do you  exactly mean by a natural death, but that much I can tell you, we may not forget what exactly Guru Sahiban means, they arte the very embodiment of Wahiguru Akal Purukh, what to say about messengers or Kal,  or call it Dharam Rai, all of them are nothing but faithful servants of Guru Sahiban, for nothing can be done without Their Hukum.

Guru Sahiban, are the masters of life and death; and unlike us, they are beyond the reach of these cycles, everything happens within Their will and consentment, but as said above, They, are all humility, while being the Highest, they respect and work within the very laws of Nature, established by Akal Purukh.

Different thing is, we limited humans fail to recognize what they really are: Wahiguru.

Thus we judge or analyze them, with our limited and corrupted intellect.

To the OP, I would just say, just keep in mind who Guru Sahiban really are, and then ask yourself if anything can happen without their knowledge or permission.

For then it is irrelevant, how they left this plane, for that was under Their will, howsoever it may seem us  to be unogical.

Of course to us sikhs, all swaroops of Guru Sahiban are utmost dear and lovely, it pains us, if any discomfort happens on them, but brother, that also is by Their will or Hukum.

Stay blessed.

Sat Sree Akal.

 

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I don't want to seem like namdhari but I still can't believe the death of Guru Gobind on faith alone.   We know he pulled theatrics when he created the khalsa, could he have done so too after he was stabbed?  It was reported that when he was to be burned his horse was gone and all that was left in the funeral pyre was the kara and kirpan, no golden arrow heads, no chakra, no salai, no rings, no ornament a man like him would have in his paaj, etc etc.   Yes his body was wounded gravely and he would die soon, but did he go to the pyre or go and die in tranquility away from the turmoil?

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23 minutes ago, namespace said:

I don't want to seem like namdhari but I still can't believe the death of Guru Gobind on faith alone. 

He had been mortally wounded , stitched up by a foreign surgeon , then those stitches opened up again when he did matha tek when passed Guru di Gaddi to Guru Granth Sahib ji

  We know he pulled theatrics when he created the khalsa, could he have done so too after he was stabbed? 

Watch what you say in ignorance ! there were no theatrics at vaisakhi there was no tambu, bakre or other bakwas that the faithless claim. The eye witness account by mughal spy indicates that much , that the heads were taken in full sight which lead to cowardly people to be full of fear and abandon sangat.
Guru ji said his farewells to sangat giving them instructions to not fixate on his cremation place but put faith in Guru Granth Sahib ji then sat on his pyre and let go of his body .

 

It was reported that when he was to be burned his horse was gone and all that was left in the funeral pyre was the kara and kirpan, no golden arrow heads, no chakra, no salai, no rings, no ornament a man like him would have in his paaj, etc etc.   Yes his body was wounded gravely and he would die soon, but did he go to the pyre or go and die in tranquility away from the turmoil?

1. all his horses have given progeny which are still looked after by Nihang jatha at Hazoor Sahib so no BS running away and hiding that Namdhari claim wrongly

2. Guru ji was wearing his kakkars no doubt , as for arrows he would use them in battle, he had given 5 arrows to Banda Singh Bahadur prior to death I doubt he would have worn his quiver as I have seen the arrows being shown to sangat on video . Why does it matter if he wore rings etc , and salai is a modern thing

 

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Thank you for this.  I'm not trying to blaspheme or be ignorant, but there are a small handful of things I don't understand because I lack facts.  In contrast, I found in Christianity there are dozens of stories/theories that were taken and twisted from Babylonia (2000BC) and Zhorastrians (600 BC) which answered a lot of questions I had about that faith.

Was Sant Baba Deep a young man during the event where Guru Gobind Singh left his earthly body?  Do you know if he had anything to say?

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4 hours ago, namespace said:

Thank you for this.  I'm not trying to blaspheme or be ignorant, but there are a small handful of things I don't understand because I lack facts.  In contrast, I found in Christianity there are dozens of stories/theories that were taken and twisted from Babylonia (2000BC) and Zhorastrians (600 BC) which answered a lot of questions I had about that faith.

Was Sant Baba Deep a young man during the event where Guru Gobind Singh left his earthly body?  Do you know if he had anything to say?

Yes Baba Deep Singh was born in 1682. He was Baptised By Guru Gobind Singh ji himself at vaisakhi in 1699... Baba Deep Singh spent two years in Anandpur before leaving in 1702... In those two years he remained close to Guru Sahib, learned Sikh Martial Arts, Horse Riding, Gurbani interpretation from Bhai Mani Singh... He was again summoned by Guru Sahib to Make Copies of SGGS.... SO yeah he was very active when Guru Gobind Singh left the world.

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