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33 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Before the science fanatics start beating their drum. Too late already started. This tuck is from Gurbani 

ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਘਟੈ ਨ ਵਧੈ ਉਤਾਹਿ ॥ ang 936

This line is saying 8.4 million joonis doesn't decrease or increase. 

Be careful here your PhD and science studies doesn't match up to Gurbani.   Don't turn into baba Ram Rai.  

kulbir Singh is not saying it is fixed.  This is Gurbani saying it is fixed. 

 

Doesn't matter because the gurbani tuk is about JOONS and the cycle.   The same cycle that you will have to go through unless you get naam pargat inside you.   It means that whether you tried to get naam and hear shabad, and failed miserably or whether you never attempted at all;  the chaurasi lak cycle is still the SAME.  The person that tried and failed isn't going to get less joons in his/her cycle.     That person's trying and failing is accounted for in his lekha and karams which he will carry with him throughout these same joons.

 

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2 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Honestly Kulbir Singh is half-read on evolution , or worse, has not even read it.

Secondly , lets come to spiritual point of view. 

Gurbani refers to the concept of Shiva-Shakti repeatedly . Shiva is consciousness (our mann) , Shakti is the matter/energy . Consciousness (mann) and matter (physical body) evolved together side by side all these billions of years. 

Thats why you see progressive levels of consciousness from plant level to humans . 

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ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਘਟੈ ਨ ਵਧੈ ਉਤਾਹਿ ॥

Entire group of species die , and new evolve to fill their niche. Dinosaurs are dead, no ??

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Gurmat does not promote the idea that humans have evolved from Baandars (monkeys). Jo kichh paaiya so ika Vaar.

Thats a very gross interpretation of Gurbaani. It means infact the raw ingredients for an entire sequence of events to happen were put at once , then their was just play and interaction between elements and we see baani is true. The collective sum of elements on earth is same, its just chemical reactions between molecules that led to life and formation of cells. But that same elements are present. 

 

Those are some very good points. MAYA and creation, including us humans, are all about 5 tats(5 elements) It's explained in detail throughout gurbani.

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12 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

 He is one of the people at Gurmat Bibek, you know the ones that make YouTube videos.

I respect them so much. Its sad they hold such unscientific opinions. It makes me loose faith in sikhs 

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7 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

did you even read my response properly.

I said species die and are formed gradually. And as per current science estimates , there're around 8.7 million species which is close to 8.4 million joons. 

What was your reason for quoting the Gurbani tuk and then writing this

"Entire group of species die , and new evolve to fill their niche. Dinosaurs are dead, no ??"

In this post now you have equated the word species to joons. So according to Gurbani does the word joons mean species or did your over zealous science reading get the best of you?

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9 hours ago, Wicked Warrior said:

Kulbir Singh states there’s 8.4m species and that this is fixed. He states there can be no new forms of life.

Kulbir says:

"8.4 million life forms (life forms or Joonis are not same as species) and this has been the truth from the beginning."

clearly he does not define joons or life forms as species. Yet you misunderstood him anyway.  Time to start smelling some coffee beans to wake up that mind.

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5 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Kulbir says:

"8.4 million life forms (life forms or Joonis are not same as species) and this has been the truth from the beginning."

clearly he does not define joons or life forms as species. Yet you misunderstood him anyway.  Time to start smelling some coffee beans to wake up that mind.

It starts off as 8.4m life forms and then talks about how they can’t change from one life form to another. 

He cannot refer to the number of individual “life forms” given that there are 7.7 billion human life forms alone. 

So what else is he referring to? What counts in this 8.4m “life forms”?

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2 hours ago, Wicked Warrior said:

It starts off as 8.4m life forms and then talks about how they can’t change from one life form to another. 

He cannot refer to the number of individual “life forms” given that there are 7.7 billion human life forms alone. 

So what else is he referring to? What counts in this 8.4m “life forms”?

He is talking about 8.4 million life forms.  Not individual life forms.  Again you have not understood it.

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