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Nishan Sahib, when did we start using the Khanda

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30 minutes ago, GuestSingh said:

they took more than jus the koh i noor.

in addition to saroopa of guru granth sahib ji, pothia sahib n shastara etc. we also see loads of artwork/paintings, musical instruments, clothing, jewelry, thrones of 'kings' n so much more we dnt even knw about on show in the uk to entertain the masses n imo perpetuate a tale tht sikhs have been consigned to history for gd. tht they r no longer wat we see today. if u think about it, this not only keep us weak n therefore easier to control to possibly prevent any future revolts but also provide an income so their economy keeps growin?if it wasnt, y havent they been returned? if no ones asked yet but does so in the future, wat do u think the answer will be?

to answer ur questions, wat wud the ordinary peasant have to give away? possibly daughters to use as prostitutes? there are several accounts of the dirty white pig raping women all over 'india' cuz any partners/wives they had were in the uk. especially in places lyk kolkata wiv women on plantations hence so many mongrel 'anglo-indians' from tht place who r now dyin out.

n wud panjabis have considered ppl to the south as one their own? n therefore not feel backstabbed? we knw caste became more prevalent under whitey so a separate identity was already apparent. then wudnt it have become even stronger wen they manipulated certain clans to fight each otha? since we knw 'india' was comprised of states before whitey introduced the idea of amalgamation for convenience in more ease of control/power, wud this have united ppl or cause those clans to fight n kill each otha so whitey duznt need to do it themselves? to 'save face' wen history questions their decisions so they can say 'we didnt kill em, they killed each otha.'

look the question we should all ask ourselves is which is worse? the dogmatic n relentless physical destruction left behind by mughals/afghans etc. or the lesser physical but far greater physiological destruction by scheming n surreptitious whitey?

numbers can regrow but not history.

Yes there was more than the koh-I-noor that was looted.

But what do we focus on?

The fact that you like most other Sikhs recognise what has happened, what are you going to do about it?

 

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27 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Yes there was more than the koh-I-noor that was looted.

But what do we focus on?

The fact that you like most other Sikhs recognise what has happened, what are you going to do about it?

 

well we cnt change history.

but wat we can n shud do is learn from it, inform those we knw etc. so certain mistakes r neva repeated again. we also have to try to change some things that have been changed n learn to pick our battles (

all of this is gna be very slow, difficult n seem almost impossible. the same mistakes r still bein repeated. but the process has already begun n nw it jus has to continue to grow n gather momentum until its tym to strike.

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3 hours ago, GuestSingh said:

well we cnt change history.

but wat we can n shud do is learn from it, inform those we knw etc. so certain mistakes r neva repeated again. we also have to try to change some things that have been changed n learn to pick our battles (

all of this is gna be very slow, difficult n seem almost impossible. the same mistakes r still bein repeated. but the process has already begun n nw it jus has to continue to grow n gather momentum until its tym to strike.

The problem amongst our people is not ignorance but apathy. 

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9 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The problem amongst our people is not ignorance but apathy

its only wen trouble enters the home that they suddenly wake up from their slumber n start to care until it passes.

but u c this problem in otha communities too.

someone on here once sed tht the compassion is beaten out of our lot wen theyre growing up so they end up feeling unloved n numb on the inside n then as u say apathetic. but tht didnt change my thinking. my ideals/morals have stayed the same.

do u think a lot of these folk had any or little compassion from the start? or do we fall under the trap ourselves of excusing their shortcomings more than we shud?

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On 7/20/2019 at 6:20 AM, dallysingh101 said:

They've basically had a lot of help by outside forces that view them as geopolitically important. 

Did they? They basically stole nuclear plans and such. They have uranium in their territory, which used to be our territory.

I'm not aware that any power gave them anything.

On 7/20/2019 at 6:20 AM, dallysingh101 said:

I think a lot of our lot can't seem to step above rural farmer mentalities into global realities. It's like many of them are a stuck in a mental timewarp?

In an alternative history in which we had not lost our Raaj, the existence of a rural farmer would have mattered no more than the rural farmer or tribesman matters to the fact that Pakistan has near nuclear parity with India.

On 7/20/2019 at 6:20 AM, dallysingh101 said:

Or maybe they are just biologically unsophisticated through inbreeding? 

No, I think that would be Pakistanis, with their huge % of birth defects in the UK, much more than their percentage of the population.

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I'm going to get the blue one printed on some remals, hand them to the local Gudwara and see the reaction.

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On 7/26/2019 at 9:57 AM, BhForce said:

Did they? They basically stole nuclear plans and such. They have uranium in their territory, which used to be our territory.

I'm not aware that any power gave them anything.

In an alternative history in which we had not lost our Raaj, the existence of a rural farmer would have mattered no more than the rural farmer or tribesman matters to the fact that Pakistan has near nuclear parity with India.

No, I think that would be Pakistanis, with their huge % of birth defects in the UK, much more than their percentage of the population.

Some good points there.

I wonder if the claims that certain areas of Panjab having a higher rate of radiation occurring in the environment is linked to dumping radioactive waste? hmmmmm

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On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 2:23 PM, dallysingh101 said:

What's interesting is that there was a short period when it wasn't exactly fixed like this, and if you seek, you can find variants e.g.  from 1914:

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You are right, this one looks exactly like a coat of arms, notice how it still retains the dhaal symbol on the flags. Interesting. 

Very Intresting

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On 7/26/2019 at 3:14 AM, Redoptics said:

I'm going to get the blue one printed on some remals, hand them to the local Gudwara and see the reaction.

Please don't do this. Are you 15?

I don't mean that as an insult, but if you're actually mature, why not act like it?

You must certainly know that the vast majority of Gurdwara presidents are there just because, not because they have any special deep knowledge of Sikh history.

If you do, it is much better to talk with people one-on-one and let them know about Sikh history than to suddenly demand changes. 

That's an excellent way to split the sangat. 

Is that what you want?

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2 hours ago, BhForce said:

Please don't do this. Are you 15?

I don't mean that as an insult, but if you're actually mature, why not act like it?

You must certainly know that the vast majority of Gurdwara presidents are there just because, not because they have any special deep knowledge of Sikh history.

If you do, it is much better to talk with people one-on-one and let them know about Sikh history than to suddenly demand changes. 

That's an excellent way to split the sangat. 

Is that what you want?

Obviously I'd talk to someone and not just show up with them.

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On 6/24/2019 at 8:08 PM, dallysingh101 said:

See I disagree there. When we start looking at the writings of Guru ji as in the Dasam Granth and Zafarnama, we see symbolism and subtle allusion used heavily therein. I mean one of the most blatant examples is the use of the Chandi narrative. Look at the whole Khalsa culture - it is ram packed with symbolism too (as well as heavily practical aspects!) 

It seems out of character for Guru ji not to give deep thought to these things from what I can gather????

I think you're onto something here. I've often wondered about this myself and came to the conclusion that the main talwar/kirpan at the top represents Chandi or Bhagauti i.e. ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ - and - pretty much the rest of the Chandi/Adi Shakti narrative as you've stated. The same thing is depicted on the Nishaan Sahib of the Sikh Empire just with a different motif.

The dhal and kataar both being defensive instruments, are symbolic of Sikhi's stance on yudh; that's it's essentially for protection and/or defence of Dharam. However it's also worth mentioning that even revenge attacks and the like in Sikhi tend to fall under this precept. Again similarly, on the battle standard of the empire, this is depicted by Hanuman and Kartikeya who both repesent ideals and virtues with regards to Dharam Yudh.

Overall I believe the Nishaan Sahib probably also symbolises ਯਹੈ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਪੀਰ - stating the obvious here though.

If you compare this with the flag of Saudi Arabia for example, the sword represents "the strictness of the nation in applying justice" - we know that the idea/concept of this differs vastly in Islam because of what it encompasses; the ideals, virtues, and rules of engagement are almost the antithesis of Dharam. We hardly need to go into detail on this lol.

Gurbar Akaal!

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