Can you prove that God exists?

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Been thinking about this today, Can you actually prove the existence of God? Now it obviously depends what God you believe in ... For example if Hindus see Cows as a God or and incarnation of God then yes that Hindu can prove the existence of their God. But can you actually prove the existence of a God which is without form or shape? Once that does not physically talk to you?  Transcendent and beyond time.   You can't !     how can you actually prove something that is transcendent? 

God is something that you have faith in, a belief which is an emotion, and you can not prove an emotion!    how can you "prove" a belief? faith?

Now people have experiences of God or have visions, once again how are you actually supposed to prove a experience?  

You just can't ... 

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But then again, atheists can not disprove it either ...

[RajKaregaKhalsa1 341]

27 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Been thinking about this today, Can you actually prove the existence of God? Now it obviously depends what God you believe in ... For example if Hindus see Cows as a God or and incarnation of God then yes that Hindu can prove the existence of their God. But can you actually prove the existence of a God which is without form or shape? Once that does not physically talk to you?  Transcendent and beyond time.   You can't !     how can you actually prove something that is transcendent? 

God is something that you have faith in, a belief which is an emotion, and you can not prove an emotion!    how can you "prove" a belief? faith?

Now people have experiences of God or have visions, once again how are you actually supposed to prove a experience?  

You just can't ... 

I would personally say yes. Your own experiences of Anand and bliss of Naam will prove to you undoubtedly.  The Mahapurkhs have got to such a state in their Abhiyaas that they don't need to ask the question anymore. They know and are one with them. For example Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir and Baba Harnaam Singh ji Raamphur Khere Wale.

How many special events are associated with them? How many times have miraculous events occur? You can say that there is a small probability of chance etc. but miracle after miracle,  Kirpa after Kirpa stacks up and really the odds of it not being the Creator's are impossible. Just read their Sakhis, the great miracles that have happened in Sri Harimander Sahib, Shaheed Singhs, effect of Paath. It can't be by chance. 

You can also prove something transcendent exists:

The universe has a beginning,

The being that created it must beyond space time and matter otherwise you lead yourself into an infinite loop which reduces to absurdity.

Therefore we have just concluded that the beginner of creation must be at least transcendent.

Also a point on your emotions. I don't need to prove anger, pain or bliss exist. You're able to feel them, same with Naam.

Whenever you may get thoughts like this just remember the Sants.

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15 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

I would personally say yes. Your own experiences of Anand and bliss of Naam will prove to you undoubtedly.  The Mahapurkhs have got to such a state in their Abhiyaas that they don't need to ask the question anymore. They know and are one with them. For example Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir and Baba Harnaam Singh ji Raamphur Khere Wale.

How many special events are associated with them? How many times have miraculous events occur? You can say that there is a small probability of chance etc. but miracle after miracle,  Kirpa after Kirpa stacks up and really the odds of it not being the Creator's are impossible. Just read their Sakhis, the great miracles that have happened in Sri Harimander Sahib, Shaheed Singhs, effect of Paath. It can't be by chance. 

But how can you prove that to someone else? Its your own experience 

15 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

The universe has a beginning,

The being that created it must beyond space time and matter otherwise you lead yourself into an infinite loop which reduces to absurdity.

How do we know it was created?   as humans we can not really prove what exited before "time" because we live within that "time" how can we prove something beyond time. We can never know what existed before the universe. 

 

Obviously i believe in Waheguru ji, but if had to prove his existence to someone, which I'm not going to, but if i had too,  then how am i actually supposed to do that?  can you do that? 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1 341]

9 minutes ago, puzzled said:

But how can you prove that to someone else? Its your own experience 

That depends if they really want to believe or not. Modern atheists nowadays when you interview them and ask what would make you believe, they don't give and answer. Why because they don't want to be believe. We don't need to force or make others believe but if they do want to know then we can tell them to experience. It's a personal journey remember. 

9 minutes ago, puzzled said:

How do we know it was created?

Well if the universe is infinite then before this day could dawn, the day before had to dawn. But before that day, you'd have to get another day. And before that you'll need another day. Why? because before the present moment could ever dawn you'd need and infinite number of days before that moment. No moment could ever dawn. We are here now in the present therefore there was a beginning of the universe.

Now we have established a beginning which is also backed up by science (big bang). Now what caused the beginning/creation. It can't be nothing because nothing gives rise to nothing.

It - the beginner - must also be self existant (as stated in the mool mantar), powerful to be able to create and make something as amazing as the universe. We can go on but I think you'll be able to see that this is evidence of creation.

9 minutes ago, puzzled said:

can you do that? 

Maybe... lol. Depends, God knows and is the one that can touch their hearts.

[brotha 60]

2 hours ago, puzzled said:

Been thinking about this today, Can you actually prove the existence of God?

Bro puzzled,

the question of the existence of God, is not an ordinary thing which anyone can do; like for example a guide at a touristic place.

This job of proving His existence, only Guru Jee can do, as seen in the Bani when it says: 

ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥

Bin Sathigur Kinai N Paaeiou Bin Sathigur Kinai N Paaeiaa ||

Without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord; without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord.

 

Then too, to see Him, we need purity. Guru sahiban or Bhagat Jan, were totally  pure.  Thus they can see Him everywhere and in everyone.

But what about others like us?  Are we pure enough to see His Jot? 

So you see, seeing Him or having His darshan is no small thing, it requires purity, His kirpa and true love in us for Him.

[ChardikalaUK 100]

13 hours ago, puzzled said:

But then again, atheists can not disprove it either ...

Using that logic, you can't disprove leprechauns and fairies.

[MokhamSingh 781]

If you focus with complete concentration during meditation, you will begin to see the SAT CHIT ANAND JYOT inside.

That Jyot is God, is Akal Purakh, is the creator...

[kcmidlands 167]

16 hours ago, puzzled said:

Been thinking about this today, Can you actually prove the existence of God? Now it obviously depends what God you believe in ... For example if Hindus see Cows as a God or and incarnation of God then yes that Hindu can prove the existence of their God. But can you actually prove the existence of a God which is without form or shape? Once that does not physically talk to you?  Transcendent and beyond time.   You can't !     how can you actually prove something that is transcendent? 

God is something that you have faith in, a belief which is an emotion, and you can not prove an emotion!    how can you "prove" a belief? faith?

Now people have experiences of God or have visions, once again how are you actually supposed to prove a experience?  

You just can't ... 

Every time i used to ask my Bibi questions like this her go to answer was simple " We know there is wind, can you prove it exists", I used to say you can feel it when it blows, her answer was "Don't you fell Waheguru when you say his name". Those were simple answers that worked on a young child.

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6 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Using that logic, you can't disprove leprechauns and fairies.

Why cant leprechauns and fairies be real?  bani mentions angels chitra and gupt, jamdoots and apsaras, so what's the difference?   Why cant leprechauns be real? 

Lol 

[GurjantGnostic 525]

5 hours ago, puzzled said:

Why cant leprechauns and fairies be real?  bani mentions angels chitra and gupt, jamdoots and apsaras, so what's the difference?   Why cant leprechauns be real? 

Lol 

They are real bro. And elves have legal protections in Iceland. 

[GurjantGnostic 525]

Nobody confuses them with being God though.

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11 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

They are real bro. And elves have legal protections in Iceland. 

Ok i dont know if your joking or being serious?   lol   

[AjeetSingh2019 191]

22 hours ago, MokhamSingh said:

If you focus with complete concentration during meditation, you will begin to see the SAT CHIT ANAND JYOT inside.

 

it ever happened to you ? what does it feel like ?

[T_Singh 25]

The belief of God is exactly just that: - a belief. To some people it’s the Sun God, to some it’s Shiva, then you have the trinity and some call God Allah.  You have some that don’t believe in God at all and some that believe there is something out there.  It is YOUR belief and it’s OK; when someone that let’s say believes in the trinity and tries to explain this to some who had an adamant in the belief in let’s say Shiva; the one that believes in Shiva may not understand the trinity theory and the one who have faith in the trinity may not understand the Shiva theory.  As long as we can respect everyone’s faith - belief it’s all good.  It’s personal to the believer and it’s true to that person.  To a Sikh the Gurus path is the absolute truth, to a Christian their bible and trinity is truth, to a Muslim their version of Allah and Quran is truth.  It’s all a belief system.