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Is it wrong to challenge someone who claimed they are Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji?  

In the past I have challenged many ideas thrown on the Sikhs.  However today, I am challenging someone who claimed they are Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji on this forum.  He is a forum member. Today, the mod team is removing the topics off this forum.  

Initially the member wrote in his own topic he is Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.   Shortly after I asked him if he is and the post were deleted.  I asked for clarification from the poster and the poster has dodged the question.  Topics have disappeared from the forum.  

This is not me targeting the poster.   I actually want a clarification from him.  Claiming to be Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is not a small claim to overlook.  People all around the world want the darshan of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.   So if this member is truly Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji,  he can set up shop and answer all the doubts and questions people have.  He can put people's minds at ease.  I have asked this member many questions but he refuses to answer my questions.   

 

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Guru Nanak Maharaj has answered all questions already, within Guru Granth Sahib ji.

They travelled far and wide and engaged with all people and answered all questions.

Their darshan are within Guru Granth Sahib ji.

Through reading and understanding all doubts are erased.

 

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3 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Is it wrong to challenge someone who claimed they are Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji?  

In the past I have challenged many ideas thrown on the Sikhs.  However today, I am challenging someone who claimed they are Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji on this forum.  He is a forum member. Today, the mod team is removing the topics off this forum.  

Initially the member wrote in his own topic he is Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.   Shortly after I asked him if he is and the post were deleted.  I asked for clarification from the poster and the poster has dodged the question.  Topics have disappeared from the forum.  

This is not me targeting the poster.   I actually want a clarification from him.  Claiming to be Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is not a small claim to overlook.  People all around the world want the darshan of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.   So if this member is truly Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji,  he can set up shop and answer all the doubts and questions people have.  He can put people's minds at ease.  I have asked this member many questions but he refuses to answer my questions.   

 

Bro you are jusy trying to get him kicked off the forum but from what I know of him he would not say that

 It sounds like something you'll say and please stop arguing or trying to destroy the man who allegedly said that. If you have evidence show it.

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1 hour ago, AcceptWill201 said:

Guru Nanak Maharaj has answered all questions already, within Guru Granth Sahib ji.

They travelled far and wide and engaged with all people and answered all questions.

Their darshan are within Guru Granth Sahib ji.

Through reading and understanding all doubts are erased.

 

Yes, i agree.  If today Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji has taken human form it would be a miracle because with a blink of his eyes we will be forgiven and his kirpa would come upon us.  We would be able to converse with Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji in his human form.  We would be able to hear his divine voice.  There is no greater experience than being able to talk to God and he replies back to your question, doubts, views directly.

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 I asked the poster atleast 5 times by now, do you claim to be Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and he has not answered the question. Neither does he deny he is Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.   

Its a very simple question, yes or no.  But the forum member refuses to answer.   I can't say the forum member name because than the biased mods will make this thread disappear as well.  They probably will sooner or later because they simply don't like people asking questions towards who they favor.

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Honestly people make mistakes.  Its no big deal.  Say i said it and I made a mistake.  It will be the end of this matter.  Why am I making  a big deal out of it.  Firstly if he is Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji in the flesh than his darshan is needed.  If not, then its very important to say he is a  fraud trying to pretend to be Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and needs to be removed from the forum because he will be the fake baba from his private messages.  He will give his false sermons and use this forum to do it.  

Clear the air, you made a mistake and it will be the end of the matter.  I know you are reading this forum on the regular. Don't drag this on.

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1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

 If today Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji has taken human form it would be a miracle 

Above is a very good point you have made, which I have also thought about it a few times.

But then, will we able to recognize Him, cause He will for sure not come in the same physical form.

Is it not more probable that we will ill treat and thrash Him for being a fake baba or a fraud ?

What guarantee is there that we will recognize and accept Him?

Of course unless we do that much kamaee within by His kirpa and arise our soul conciousness to that level where we can see that He has the same jot of Guru Jee, but alas hardly anybody does that.

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I read the original post where this originated from before it was deleted. The initial post was very inspiring and a bit mystical where the author of the post was referring to himself in the plural (“we” instead of “I”). It could be that the original poster is an elevated soul who has been blessed with union with Guru Maharaj, or it could be an imitation of sant-bhasha with genuine intentions. Either way, words need to be chosen wisely, or there can be a valid reaction from others since this is a discussion forum.  

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14 minutes ago, brotha said:

But then, will we able to recognize Him, cause He will for sure not come in the same physical form.

When Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji came down in human form in 1469 he was accepted as the Guru.  The radiance coming off of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji cannot be missed.  A person may deny it out of ego but no man's soul will refuse the Guru.  Why can't Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji take his human flesh form of 1469?  Narsingh came down as half man and lion, so the all powerful Akal Purakh can do it.

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4 minutes ago, Jai Tegang! said:

I read the original post where this originated from before it was deleted. The initial post was very inspiring and a bit mystical where the author of the post was referring to himself in the plural (“we” instead of “I”). It could be that the original poster is an elevated soul who has been blessed with union with Guru Maharaj, or it could be an imitation of sant-bhasha with genuine intentions. Either way, words need to be chosen wisely, or there can be a valid reaction from others since this is a discussion forum.  

There was a second post made by the member.  In that very post he claimed to be Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

I have met actual bhagats of the Guru.  They have answered questions I had without even me asking them.  This member claims to be Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and doesn't even answer questions I have put forward for a better understanding.   According to my assessment there is no divine wisdom but ego.  Hes stuck in expanding his name even when in anonymous mode on a forum. Which is very strange.

Two gurmukhs realize each other by not speech or listening.   Their souls see the jeevan and give the indication to the other that this person is elevated by the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.   Such experiences cannot be felt by us lowly souls.  

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4 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

 *A person may deny it out of ego but no man's soul will refuse the Guru. 

*Why can't Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji take his human flesh form of 1469?  Narsingh came down as half man and lion, so the all powerful Akal Purakh can do it.

* a person can deny it not by ego, but by their own karam, like what happened with Fifth Patshahee, Their brother lived under the same roof and had His darshan daily, yet his hatred and wickedness for Guru Sahiban was much present in him.

* Akal Purukh coming on earth each time is not same like we going to work or uni everyday with the same face. 

Otherwise, why did He prefer and chose to be in the later 9 forms of all the Guru Sahiban.

Even the avataars of Vishnu Jee you mention as Narsingh is different from the others, so watching His coming at our level since the begining it is more likely that He may not come in the same human form, for Akal Purukh or Guru Jee is not a physical entity but a subtle and spiritual Truth in the form of Jot, Their true nature .

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2 minutes ago, brotha said:

* a person can deny it not by ego, but by their own karam, like what happened with Fifth Patshahee, Their brother lived under the same roof and had His darshan daily, yet his hatred and wickedness for Guru Sahiban was much present in him.

* Akal Purukh coming on earth each time is not same like we going to work or uni everyday with the same face. 

Otherwise, why did He prefer and chose to be in the later 9 forms of all the Guru Sahiban.

Even the avataars of Vishnu Jee you mention as Narsingh is different from the others, so watching His coming at our level since the begining it is more likely that He may not come in the same human form, for Akal Purukh or Guru Jee is not a physical entity but a subtle and spiritual Truth in the form of Jot, Their true nature .

 

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37 minutes ago, Singh375 said:

5 paragraphs were written explaining how God is behind everything.

You are all Guru’s sangat, if you get something inspirational to read, the Guru is showering his blessings himself. The story is way deeper than x user writing something. I honestly learn things myself reading back after writing. 

When the mind focuses on the Guru, words can come from within. My comments were intended just like a giani finishes katha by saying anything said is the Guru’s words, for I am not worthy. 

4 minutes later this troll had drawn his conclusions and replied to say I am claiming to be the Guru. 4 minutes!

He is so target locked on attack mode. Maybe he could try sleeping on things and looking at it with fresh eyes in the morning!

Original post was written in our mouj, a tribute to my Satguru, how much he does to help his Sikhs, to encourage you all to make Mool Mantar part of your life so you reap the benefits.

Yes my Guru showed me how his pyare leave this world, they also showed how jamdoots unforgivingly beat the life out of people to drag them to hell.

I have no reason for sharing such types of posts other than trying to help you, motivate you to jaap naam.

I asked a Saint once, doing simran you get feeling of sarbat da bhalla, you want whole world to be liberated. They replied people haven’t got same feeling for you, they’d stab you in the back given the chance.

Some people here insult me, judge me, are more interested in trying to guess who I am, speculating things. 

I don’t judge any of you at all, to me you are just souls I thought let’s encourage. If I do judge you the result is why do I bother, they throw everything back in my face. 

How often do you think such posts come along? In dhiyan we remembered all of you, let’s write a motivating post for them. 1 person insulting someone in dhiyan is enough for God to take everything away. 

Can you present the actual post?  I have asked you several times to present it.  Why don't you want to present it?  

Do you remember the story of the three little pigs and the wolf?  You can huff and puff all you want.  Until you present the actual post no one with an unbiased mind will take you for all your huffing and puffing.  Don't fill the room with useless air.  

Also look at the story of the boy who cried wolf.  You keep crying wolf, but the wolf isn't there.  Its a person asking you to present your original post.

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Does anyone else find these two sentences to be very strange? It sounds like the the poster wants to give the impression he has some divine soul talkng through him or he has reached a divine state. "In dhiyan we remembered all of you, lets write a motivating post for them."  Who is we?  In dhur ki Bani there is no we.  Dhur ki bani/Gurbani gives all honor and credit to Akal Purakh.   Even between the Guru and Akal Purakh there is no "we".  It is only One.  To say "we"  is speaking of duality.  Its saying I exist and so does Akal Purakh.   One of the objectives of reading Gurbani is to realize I don't exist and only Akal Purakh exist.  In the third sentence he forgets about "we" and moves to a self centered stance.

1 person insulting someone in dhiyan is enough for God to take everything away. 

When a person gets mad with another.   Many times the person will wish bad for the person who made them angry or did something wrong to them according to their minds limited ability.  This poster is upset so he wishes God does something bad to me.  He wishes God takes everything away from me.  How much dhiyan can this poster have if he is rattled by questions and wishes bad for me?  Also wouldn't I be insulting you and the other divine soul that you refer to as "we"?  Why did you separate yourself from the divine soul in this last sentence? You are rattled  by the gurmat stance of mine.  It's a simple gurmat stance of asking questions.   

So enough of the huffing and puffing, you big bad wolf.  Let's see the post.  

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