One dead after attackers storm Indian Punjab church and shoot worshippers

[Ranjeet01]

2 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

I really hope this isn't done by Sikhs. It will just make us look like a bunch of violent extremists.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/10/27/suspected-hindu-radicals-open-fire-in-christian-church-in-india-killing-one/

According to this, it was 2 brothers who were part of some Valmiki Samaj group.

[Ranjeet01]

39 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/10/27/suspected-hindu-radicals-open-fire-in-christian-church-in-india-killing-one/

According to this, it was 2 brothers who were part of some Valmiki Samaj group.

The lower castes in Punjab are asserting themselves and that is good (not in this murder but in terms of organising themselves and uplifting themselves)

The missionaries source of converts is going to dry up and that could be where the conflict is coming from.

[Dsinghd]

56 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The lower castes in Punjab are asserting themselves and that is good (not in this murder but in terms of organising themselves and uplifting themselves)

The missionaries source of converts is going to dry up and that could be where the conflict is coming from.

Also the Deras in Punjab. They’re like these Christian missionaries.

[MisterrSingh]

Like it or not, Modi empowering the lower strata of Indian society through his brand of religious nationalism (ultimately hollow as it may be) has given these people the impetus to stand up for themselves, whereas in previous times I don't think there'd be such a visceral response to Christian missionary tactics. 

[Ranjeet01]

Valmiki community members announce: Valmiki community members announce to give up Hindu religion over TV serial | Chandigarh News - Times of India https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/valmiki-community-members-announce-to-give-up-hindu-religion-over-tv-serial/articleshow/59746822.cms

This is how empowered some of the lower strata of hindu society is becoming.

They no longer need to convert to Christianity, they just form their own dharm. 

[Ranjeet01]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/didnt-get-minority-status-so-embraced-hinduism/lite/

Some of the Valmiki group who were Christians became hindu and even converted the church to a mandir 

[Ranjeet01]

It seems that the Valmikis and other communities are leveraging their position by going their own way and creating their own adi -dharm.

They are doing a lot of outreach in these communities, helping with books and education etc.

If this is a pattern that is emerging then it means converting to Christianity is no longer a preferred option and Evangelicals and other christian denominations are becoming irrelevant.

That is because the evangelicals and missionaries cannot bribe their way into converts. 

Combined with Ghar Wapsi (I think Modi understands the intra-Hindu game being played here), there is a harder push to get these 'Christians' back into dharmic fold.

I think this why the Christian churches in Punjab have shifted their priorities to target our Sikhs and other Hindu groups.

The shooting in the Church looks increasingly like a power struggle to get the converted Valmikis into adi-dharm or into mainstream hinduism. 

[Ranjeet01]

10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

That also reveals the problems these ex-Sikhs were having (which caused them to turn to Christianity) for which they were receiving ineffective or zero assistance from the Sikh religious apparatus. It's that old sorcery chestnut. 

https://www.hindupost.in/dharma-religion/37453/

(Please excuse this being from a hindutva website, but they have done some research on this):

Prarthana and “Changai” Sabha

The biggest way of spreading of Christianity is prayer meetings. It is called “prarthana sabha” in Hindi/Punjabi. The biggest highlights of these prayer meetings are the fake miracle cures. Thousands of people are brought to such meetings on false promise of cure.

Ailments of all hues such as infertility to cancer are “treated” in the name of Jesus there. Apparently, Punjab government should close all hospitals and let them cure all patients by prayer. However, it seems that COVID is beyond the “power of Jesus”.

Of course, the paid actors show how they are cured and innocent people donate for prayers to Jesus. Inevitably, most of them are not cured and many die. But by then, the members of family have been thoroughly brainwashed into Christianity.

This dangerous fraud, which harms people’s health and sucks money from vulnerable poor, is allowed to continue and the coffers of fake religious figures continue to be filled. In recent times, mediums such as YouTube and Zoom have also been utilized for this scam.

[MisterrSingh]

I'd be interested to learn if there's a few prominent Valmiki leaders who may have influenced things even indirectly.