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9 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Not sure.but i think it has to do with our locus of control. 

Whatever we can control or change is not-hukam. 

Whatever, is beyond us is hukam. Also we should always do effort, but the result is hukam

I think bhai jagraj singh said hukam was the past. Because it was meant to be. But thats too simplistic.

So it's as much acceptance, or at least humbling oneself without succumbing to passiveness, rather than pure response and action? That's interesting. 

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10 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Not sure.but i think it has to do with our locus of control. 

Whatever we can control or change is not-hukam. 

Whatever, is beyond us is hukam. Also we should always do effort, but the result is hukam

I think bhai jagraj singh said hukam was the past. Because it was meant to be. But thats too simplistic.

How do we know that what we can control to do is not also hukam.

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10 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I mean, yes, who decides the day-to-day parameters for those of us who aren't spiritual superbeings?

It's like AI.

Most computer programmes are set of instructions that it follows to do tasks.

However,  the goal for AI is for it to make it's own decisions. 

There needs to be some kind of framework to essentially to make this happen.

Maybe hukam at some level is framework.

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Acceptance aside, how would I know to challenge something that has passed into Not-Hukam?

For example, I'm walking past a well. A little kiddy falls in. I can say, "The child falling in is part of Hukam. It's not my business to intercede," which is difficult to refute.

Objectively, and unbeknownst to me, it IS Hukam for that child to die from the fall in the well, but I manage to get him out, thus transgressing Hukam.

Would I be punished in the afterlife for defying Hukam? Or by helping the child out of the well, has the earlier Hukam evolved into another form of equally valid Hukam that's rolled with the punches thrown up by the unpredictability of life? So, even my actions, as unforeseen as they may be, are now part of Hukam?

If so, how can a normal human being ever hope to stay on the correct and acceptable side of something so fluid?

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44 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Acceptance aside, how would I know to challenge something that has passed into Not-Hukam?

For example, I'm walking past a well. A little kiddy falls in. I can say, "The child falling in is part of Hukam. It's not my business to intercede," which is difficult to refute.

Objectively, and unbeknownst to me, it IS Hukam for that child to die from the fall in the well, but I manage to get him out, thus transgressing Hukam.

Would I be punished in the afterlife for defying Hukam? Or by helping the child out of the well, has the earlier Hukam evolved into another form of equally valid Hukam that's rolled with the punches thrown up by the unpredictability of life? So, even my actions, as unforeseen as they may be, are now part of Hukam?

If so, how can a normal human being ever hope to stay on the correct and acceptable side of something so fluid?

Hukam might not be one choice, but be multiple options and choices with multiple results but all leads to one single hukam in the end.

So it starts as one, branches out and then comes back to one again. 

Ultimately we don't know what the hukam is, we just do.

We as humans, will call it hukam if we cannot explain it.

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19 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Hukam might not be one choice, but be multiple options and choices with multiple results but all leads to one single hukam in the end.

So it starts as one, branches out and then comes back to one again. 

Ultimately we don't know what the hukam is, we just do.

We as humans, will call it hukam if we cannot explain it.

Safe to say there is no such thing as Not-Hukam, which makes sense, because we're told that not even a leaf stirs without His command. Beyond Good and Evil? Just is.

I guess Intention also has its part to play. "Gaming the system" works on the physical plane, but I'm not sure it would be accepted on other planes, I.e. the kid falls down the well but I could've prevented it had I not been too scared to act. When the child dies I could say to people, "It was Hukam he was supposed to die," even though I realistically could've have done something meaningful to save him. 

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