21st century reform Sikhs

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I don't know what to call these people so I'm just calling them reform Sikhs? or maybe progressive Sikhs.  Whatever they are, they are growing. 

So, what is it that 21st century reform Sikhs want? From my understanding they want more rights for women, LGBTQA+ rights including LGBTQA+ Anand Karaj. They want some reform in Anand Karaj like the bride walking next the groom. They  believe that keeping 5 kakkar are not necessary.  Many of them feel that in the 21st century we can lax on some of the rules like drinking, modesty, dating etc    What other views do they hold? 

Are there any reform Sikh leaders?  social media stars?

What does the future hold for these Sikhs?    What percentage of Sikhs are reform Sikhs?  Sikhs who want to see these changes in Sikhi ? 

Does anyone personally know one of these Sikhs?  have you asked them what they want? 

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59 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Does anyone personally know one of these Sikhs?  have you asked them what they want?

I don't think it's an organized movement...just ppl who want to be able to have no guilt while committing manmat acts

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16 minutes ago, intrigued said:

I don't think it's an organized movement...just ppl who want to be able to have no guilt while committing manmat acts

But I think that's the direction they're heading. They're probably going to become like those angry militant feminist mobs, and start protesting outside Gurdware asking for changes, the BBC and similar media will be the first ones there to cover it. 

Its already happened to all the other religions. There are reform Churches, synagogues etc   These people don't stop till they get what they want, they use leftist media to back them. 

They're already getting together!  and these Sikhs have a big Sikh following! 

 

[californiasardar1]

3 hours ago, puzzled said:

I don't know what to call these people so I'm just calling them reform Sikhs? or maybe progressive Sikhs.  Whatever they are, they are growing. 

So, what is it that 21st century reform Sikhs want? From my understanding they want more rights for women, LGBTQA+ rights including LGBTQA+ Anand Karaj. They want some reform in Anand Karaj like the bride walking next the groom. They  believe that keeping 5 kakkar are not necessary.  Many of them feel that in the 21st century we can lax on some of the rules like drinking, modesty, dating etc    What other views do they hold? 

Are there any reform Sikh leaders?  social media stars?

What does the future hold for these Sikhs?    What percentage of Sikhs are reform Sikhs?  Sikhs who want to see these changes in Sikhi ? 

Does anyone personally know one of these Sikhs?  have you asked them what they want? 

 

Look at what happens during typical "Sikh" wedding festivities. These "Sikhs" are the majority (greater than 90%) whether they identify as "reform Sikhs" (or have even heard of the term) or not.

 

[californiasardar1]

2 hours ago, intrigued said:

I don't think it's an organized movement...just ppl who want to be able to have no guilt while committing manmat acts

yeah, basically

[californiasardar1]

2 hours ago, puzzled said:

But I think that's the direction they're heading. They're probably going to become like those angry militant feminist mobs, and start protesting outside Gurdware asking for changes, the BBC and similar media will be the first ones there to cover it. 

Its already happened to all the other religions. There are reform Churches, synagogues etc   These people don't stop till they get what they want, they use leftist media to back them. 

They're already getting together!  and these Sikhs have a big Sikh following! 

 

 

Why are you singling out this guy? The vast majority of Sikhs have already made a complete mockery out of Sikhi and interpret it as they see fit.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

Look at what happens during typical "Sikh" wedding festivities. These "Sikhs" are the majority (greater than 90%) whether they identify as "reform Sikhs" (or have even heard of the term) or not.

 

tbh bro, I don't think the average mona wants reform in Sikhi, a lot of them openly admit that they drink, cut hair etc and are not practicing Sikhs, and they aren't trying to push anything into Sikhi or distort it. But, its the ones that are openly saying that they want to change Sikhi, bring it into the 21st century, introduce lgbt weddings, saying that keeping hair isn't important, changing anand karaj maryada, discarding anything that doesn't fit their vision of what Sikhi should be  etc these lot are a problem!  and they will keep pushing until they don't get their way! 

The average monas that I know they aren't trying to change anything. I don't agree with their lifestyle at all, but at least they aren't pushing for change. Women/monis are a different case though.  

But the ones that want to bring Sikhi into the "21st century" change maryada and tradition, push feminism, lgbt into Sikhi they are a problem!  They call us dinosaurs they do! 

I agree with the "Sikh" weddings. I stopped going a long time back, last "Sikh" wedding I went to was probably around 5 years ago. I don't have heart to see the disrespect that takes place. From what I hear things are getting even worse. The last time I was told about Sikh weddings was just before the lock down by three different people. Lady i know went to her cousins wedding and the bride got so drunk at the reception party that her brothers had to carry her and place her in the car when the party was over!  My cousin went to a wedding from the other side of the family and she said the sangat was showering the bride with flowers as she walked in, the granthi Singh got angry and told the ladies to pick the flowers up and said it is not gurmat. And the last one, my friend went to a wedding and he said the granthi Singh stopped and made an announcement and told the women to stop talking and to cover their heads properly and wear appropriate clothes to the Gurdwara. 

I have a very close relative in another country is getting married later this year and I've already told my family I'm not going. I've been sent the pre-wedding photo-shoot and it really wasn't my cup of tea! think I would feel very out of place around them people! and I know for a fact they will do disrespectful things during their anand karaj.

Its worrying the direction things are going. 

 

[puzzled]

31 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

Why are you singling out this guy?

I don't think he's a "guy"  he said his pronouns are "they, them and their"     lol    

[californiasardar1]

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

tbh bro, I don't think the average mona wants reform in Sikhi, a lot of them openly admit that they drink, cut hair etc and are not practicing Sikhs, and they aren't trying to push anything into Sikhi or distort it. But, its the ones that are openly saying that they want to change Sikhi, bring it into the 21st century, introduce lgbt weddings, saying that keeping hair isn't important, changing anand karaj maryada, discarding anything that doesn't fit their vision of what Sikhi should be  etc these lot are a problem!  and they will keep pushing until they don't get their way! 

The average monas that I know they aren't trying to change anything. I don't agree with their lifestyle at all, but at least they aren't pushing for change. Women/monis are a different case though.  

But the ones that want to bring Sikhi into the "21st century" change maryada and tradition, push feminism, lgbt into Sikhi they are a problem!  They call us dinosaurs they do! 

I agree with the "Sikh" weddings. I stopped going a long time back, last "Sikh" wedding I went to was probably around 5 years ago. I don't have heart to see the disrespect that takes place. From what I hear things are getting even worse. The last time I was told about Sikh weddings was just before the lock down by three different people. Lady i know went to her cousins wedding and the bride got so drunk at the reception party that her brothers had to carry her and place her in the car when the party was over!  My cousin went to a wedding from the other side of the family and she said the sangat was showering the bride with flowers as she walked in, the granthi Singh got angry and told the ladies to pick the flowers up and said it is not gurmat. And the last one, my friend went to a wedding and he said the granthi Singh stopped and made an announcement and told the women to stop talking and to cover their heads properly and wear appropriate clothes to the Gurdwara. 

I have a very close relative in another country getting married later this year and I've already told my family I'm not going. I've been sent the pre-wedding photo-shoot and it really wasn't my cup of tea! think i would feel very out of place around them people! and I know for a fact they will do disrespectful things during their anand karaj.

Its worrying the direction things are going. 

 

 

 

You say the average mona does not want "reform" in Sikhi. That is true only because monay have effectively already "reformed" Sikhi. They already basically get to do whatever they want.

To illustrate what I mean, the average "interfaith couple" didn't care about reforming Sikhi either until gurdware started banning interfaith anand karajs. Now such people are crying and are trying to reform Sikhi (or, from their point of view, restore Sikhi to what they perceive it to be --- an "anything goes" because "we accept everyone" faith).

If monay were restricted from doing certain things (like dressing up as singhs during anand karajs only to toss their paghs off the second they finish, or prohibited from throwing parties after anand karajs, or banned from anand karajs all together), they would start crying and go into the "reform Sikhi" camp.

[californiasardar1]

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

I don't think he's a "guy"  he said his pronouns are "they, them and their"     lol    

True