5 types of Sikhi in Sau Sakhi

[Kaurr]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I thought it meant people who become Sikhs because they observe other Sikhs and want a piece of the action? We were a much more powerful community when this was written.

It says 'those who assume Sikhism for the sake of wealth, that is seeing that other menhave risen to greatness by becoming a Sikh. Such persons are only fond of money and do not love Gooroo.'

We haven't had any sikhs that are super rich that the average person can think of. 

[proudkaur21]

48 minutes ago, Kaurr said:

It says 'those who assume Sikhism for the sake of wealth, that is seeing that other menhave risen to greatness by becoming a Sikh. Such persons are only fond of money and do not love Gooroo.'

We haven't had any sikhs that are super rich that the average person can think of. 

How about the dogras or those who converted to get jobs under British like in the army and stuff?

[Kaurr]

1 minute ago, proudkaur21 said:

How about the dogras or those who converted to get jobs under British like in the army and stuff?

Good point but army isn't that successful, yeah by being in the army you could provide food, but not filthy rich or super wealthy

[dallysingh101]

12 hours ago, Kaurr said:

It says 'those who assume Sikhism for the sake of wealth, that is seeing that other menhave risen to greatness by becoming a Sikh. Such persons are only fond of money and do not love Gooroo.'

We haven't had any sikhs that are super rich that the average person can think of. 

Sister that english translation is VERY old (late 1800s if I recall rightly). I'd go by the Gurmukhi text:

Quickly translated (and anyone who can improve it, please do!) I make it:

The second is Sikhi for the purpose of mixing with the [Sikh] brotherhood, there may be some Sikh, in his house much material objects have accumulated. Wealth, sons, milk and respect. On seeing this (hence dekha dekhee), a desirous/craving (cha wallah) person becomes even more greedy for materials and becomes Sikh, the need for materials remain. (The last sentence is tricky to translate but here's a try:) There is no literal connection with Guru ji.  

 

@shastarSingh Is that translation above accurate?

 

 

If I'm reading it right, the first three types of Sikh are considered fake, whilst the last two genuine?   

[shastarSingh]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

Sister that english translation is VERY old (late 1800s if I recall rightly). I'd go by the Gurmukhi text:

Quickly translated (and anyone who can improve it, please do!) I make it:

The second is Sikhi for the purpose of mixing with the [Sikh] brotherhood, there may be some Sikh, in his house much material objects have accumulated. Wealth, sons, milk and respect. On seeing this, a desirous/craving (cha wallah) person becomes even more greedy for materials and becomes Sikh, the need for materials remain. (The last sentence is tricky to translate but here's a try:) There is no literal connection with Guru ji.  

 

@shastarSingh Is that translation above accurate?

 

 

If I'm reading it right, the first three types of Sikh are considered fake, whilst the last two genuine?   

Haanji

Looks accurate to me.

[dallysingh101]

10 hours ago, Kaurr said:

We haven't had any sikhs that are super rich that the average person can think of. 

Narinder Singh Kapany?

[Kaurr]

6 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Narinder Singh Kapany?

Who?

 

Just looked him up, think I remember hearing something about him, the fibre optics guy.

[Premi5]

Saw this on SA forums

 

 

[dallysingh101]

Adding this entry from Mahan Kosh:

ਪੰਚ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ ਦੀ ਸਿੱਖੀ

Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia

ਧੰਧੇ ਕੀ ਇਕ, ਦੇਖਾਦੇਖੀ, ਹਿਰਸੀ ਤ੍ਰੈ, ਸਿਦਕੀ ਅਵਰੇਖੀ। ਪੰਚਮ ਅਹੈ ਭਾਵ ਕੀ ਭਲੇ. ਪ੍ਰਥਮਾ ਇਮ ਜਿਮ ਭਾਈ ਚਲੇ, ਸਭਿ ਸਗੁਰੇ ਮੁਝ ਨਿਗੁਰਾ ਕਹੈਂ, ਲੇ ਸਿੱਖੀ “ਧੰਧੇ” ਕੀ ਅਹੈ। ਕੋਇਕ ਸਿੱਖ ਬਨ੍ਯੋ ਕਿਂਹ ਦੇਖਾ, ਸਦਨ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਭਲੇ ਬਿਸ਼ੇਖਾ, ਲੋਭ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਕੋ ਮਨ ਭਯੋ, ਗੁਰੁ ਕੋ ਸਿੱਖ ਹੋਇ ਸੋ ਗਯੋ। ਇਹ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਹੈ “ਦੇਖਾਦੇਖੀ”, ਰਹੀ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਚਾਹ ਵਿਸੇਖੀ, ਤੀਜੀ “ਹਿਰਸੀ” ਸਿੱਖੀ ਜਾਨੋ, ਬਹੁਤ ਜੁ ਕਰਹਿਂ, ਕਰਣ ਸੋ ਠਾਨੋ, ਸੋਝੀ ਕੁਝ ਨ ਆਪ ਕੋ ਆਈ, ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀਖ ਲੇ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਪਾਈ। ਚਤੁਰਥ ਸਿੱਖੀ “ਸਿਦਕੀ” ਹੋਇ, ਗੁਰ ਬਿਨ ਅਪਰ ਨ ਮਾਨਹਿ ਕੋਇ, ਜੀਵਣ ਮਰਣ ਬਿਖੈ ਗੁਰੁ ਸ਼ਰਣੀ, ਤਜਹਿ ਨ ਜਿਮ ਪ੍ਰਵਾਹ ਮੈ ਤਰਣੀ। ਪੰਚਮ “ਸਿੱਖੀ ਭਾਵ” ਉਪਾਈ, ਲਖ ਗੁਰੁਮਹਿਮਾ ਪਰ ਸ਼ਰਣਾਈ, ਨਿਸ਼ ਦਿਨ ਗੁਰੁਮੂਰਤਿ ਉਰਧਾਰੀ, ਕਰਹਿ ਭਾਵ ਸਭ ਸਿੱਖ ਮਝਾਰੀ। (ਗੁਪ੍ਰਸੂ).

 

[dallysingh101]

Lovely poetic rendition above, anyone know this source? 

ਗੁਪ੍ਰਸੂ

 

Edit: I think it's most likely - Gur Pratap Suraj Granth and it's interesting to see variations in both the Sau Sakhi Granth and this one.