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4 hours ago, proactive said:

The offer was made last Friday and there has been opposition from both RW Hindu groups and Sikhs. This Friday Nihangs also stopped a committee from allowing Muslims to pray in a Gurdwara. It looks like the liberals are not getting their way. What is concerning is that the Akal Takht Jathedar or SGPC have not made a statement against this clear attack on the Rehat Maryada by Gurdwaras trying to win brownie points from liberals. 

Namaz interrupted by right-wing groups as prayer at Gurugram gurdwara opposed- The New Indian Express

I wish I could say I was surprised. I've been listening to katha from the main Sikh takhats on and off for at least 8 years, and one time or another the "big" kathavachaks (and the lesser known ones, too) cannot stop themselves from praising Mohammed, Islamic history and culture, etc., during their stints on stage. I knew it spelled bad news when I first heard them drag Islam into katha that was doing fine without any of the nonsense... well, here you go, this is the end result. These religious leaders and preachers tried being clever, thinking they could make allies of the Musleh against the Brahmin "machine", but like always our short-sightedness ends up biting us on the behind. We're only capable of chalakhiyan against our own. Chalakhiyan against one particular out-group ends up getting us involved with a notoriously deceptive and ruthless second group, which predictably ends with us doing our own besti.

We really do live in clown world when a right-wing Hindu group steps up to prevent something that WE shouldn't even have brought about in the first place! Absolute sharam.

On the plus side, everyone begrudges Sikhs when we take up arms against any non-Sikh group that's giving us grief, yet nobody has any objections when we go to town against our own. With this in mind, if it ever comes to sorting out these liberal Sikh cucks, there won't be MUCH of a hullabaloo in terms of objections. Obviously, you'll have Sunny Hundal penning the obvious "Sikhs are terrorists in the waiting" articles, but that's to be expected.

I told you fellers a few years ago those Instagram pictures of Sikhs holding umbrellas over praying Muslims was going to come back to haunt us. The optics of such images simply cannot be underestimated. We live in a world that most apne don't fully comprehend.

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3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The question then his how do we snuff out these "liberals" and marginalise them in our quam.

They are the enemy within. 

I don't think they can be reasoned without being called a "bigot" , "misogynist ", "islamophobe "

This "liberalism " is like a religion of it's own.

Because all this is going to do is give away to tyranny and authoritanism

 

 

parchaar of Dasmesh Pita ji's bani, solid rememberance of shaheeds (maybe even bring out shaheedi calendar as Sant ji and other gursikhs have pointed out is if we commerated our shaheeds we would remember everyday365 days a year, and not in the abstract way but in detail by giving saka of shaheed and bio profile) close the distance between our grasp of our own history under the four regimes and understanding current affairs of sikhs . Issuing of rehitname regarding our asthaans and how we are meant to respect others but only have faith in sikhi and its way. Maharaj di darbar , his will is followed and that it is not right to usurp his will on any point of maryada of dharamshaley.

Liberals can find their own non gurdwara/dharamshala venues to do their manmat , I am sure that if they had to shell out from the donations they collect the sikh supporters will be up in arms , it is because it is hidden expenditure of sikh daswand people are lulled into a false sense of innocuousness. 

Highlighting cases of attempts of grooming /abduction from nagar kirtans, vaisakhi melas etc would get the parents of daughters worried enough to object to such fake programs . Pointing out iftar in GUrdwarey in muslim lands is a recent and forced thing .

 

 

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They're only a few miles from a masjid. 

It would be better to help them organize themselves into a seperate space. 

Only in the harshest of crazy circumstances would this be appropriate. 

I don't think the line about Allah they read is out of line, so much as it's clearly against Rehit. 

We don't let anyone do anything except Aikido, in line with our policies in the Dojo. Only the rare visiting revered cultural artist and the taiko drummers have been welcome. No other Budo even, let alone another heritage of system entirely. 

We have had a few meditation types presented, studied with mentalists and psychologists though. 

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3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

We're only capable of chalakhiyan against our own. Chalakhiyan against one particular out-group ends up getting us involved with a notoriously deceptive and ruthless second group, which predictably ends with us doing our own besti.

I think this part of a larger Indic problem.

Treachery has always been part of our DNA, however in our history and our Pre-Sikh heritage we have never dealt with treachery.

There has never been any repercussions against traitors. 

 

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2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

They're only a few miles from a masjid. 

It would be better to help them organize themselves into a seperate space. 

Only in the harshest of crazy circumstances would this be appropriate. 

I don't think the line about Allah they read is out of line, so much as it's clearly against Rehit. 

We don't let anyone do anything except Aikido, in line with our policies in the Dojo. Only the rare visiting revered cultural artist and the taiko drummers have been welcome. No other Budo even, let alone another heritage of system entirely. 

We have had a few meditation types presented, studied with mentalists and psychologists though. 

the only cases where this was appropriate was muslim bibiaan being banned from masjid and they asked if they could come to gurdwara (on the way to masjid) then the granthi offered if you want to pray the way you know you can do that in this other part of the building . The other was the masjid was literally underwater.

Muslims know that they are offending us if they do their namaz in hazoori , that's why when they came to Amritsar to thank sikhs for helping the Kashmiri kids get home they prayed on road outside not inside parikarma

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14 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

the only cases where this was appropriate was muslim bibiaan being banned from masjid and they asked if they could come to gurdwara (on the way to masjid) then the granthi offered if you want to pray the way you know you can do that in this other part of the building . The other was the masjid was literally underwater.

Muslims know that they are offending us if they do their namaz in hazoori , that's why when they came to Amritsar to thank sikhs for helping the Kashmiri kids get home they prayed on road outside not inside parikarma

How’d the mosque get underwater?

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20 minutes ago, proactive said:

 Ravi Singh KA is the person that some claim as the greatest Sikh of the 21st Century. I have a question of that person, I think his username is Premi5. Compare the greatest Sikh of the 20th Century Santi with Ravi Singh KA. Do you really think that Santji would be fine with Namaz in a Gurdwara? Santji understood the need for religious boundaries, just as a Muslim would not be ok with us doing Kirtan in a Mosque, Sikhs should not be going against the Rehat Maryada and allowing Namaz in a Gurdwara. 

A fair amount of skulduggery goes on in this forum that seems innocuous on the surface.

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5 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

I don’t think Bhagat Puran Singh ever got a Nobel prize, despite doing better sewa than Mother Theresa without any expectation of people converting. He actually gave his highest award back to the Indian government in 1984. 

Unfashionable causes Vs Fashionable causes. Bossing cultural narratives. We just don't possess that "pull" or more accurately there's nothing we have that can be used or manipulated to benefit the powers-that-be. Like I've said previously, we're an antiquated little group who punched above its weight, now desperately trying to remain relevant by clinging to delusions of grandeur that don't have any place in current reality.

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Unfashionable causes Vs Fashionable causes. Bossing cultural narratives. We just don't possess that "pull" or more accurately there's nothing we have that can be used or manipulated to benefit the powers-that-be. Like I've said previously, we're an antiquated little group who punched above its weight, now desperately trying to remain relevant by clinging to delusions of grandeur that don't have any place in current reality.

I don't agree. 

 

I think in the UK, anti-imperialist Sikhs have played a very important role culturally, and will continue to do so. I think those 'yes men' (and women) who've kept up that grinning pro-sepoy narrative are the delusional ones. I think Sikh culture can and will play a very important cultural part in the UK in future. I think it already has in terms of outing the widespread grooming problem in english society. More is to come when we start sharing our true ithihaas with all the inspiring figures within - as opposed to the docile rural sepoy types. I mean look at how much interest just one film on Udham Singh has generated. Our Sikh culture has a lot to offer and people can learn a lot from it. We just need to dislodge and marginalise the puppets. 

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