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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I think that plants also have some kind of collective intelligence and respond to certain stimuli. 

True. I read that trees communicate with each other and provide resources if one of them is dying. The beauty of nature. 

There was also an experiment on using emotions to see the impact on food. The pot which was spoken to lovingly didn't rot as quickly as that abused and sworn at. 

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11 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

so I wonder what impact playing and listening to harmonium has had on the sikh panth since last century?

It's not the specific instrument per se, but the collective affect caused by the melodies, beats, and lyrics if we're talking about these things on the subconscious level. Harmonium Vs Rabaab is a purist argument of Tradition / Heritage. The bajaa hasn't made Sikhs nastiks, lol, it just means we eschewed an authentic musical form of expression for something comparably less rich in musical complexity and texture.

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4 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

What do you replace a harmonium with?

A rabab?

It's replacing a keyboard with a stringed instrument. 

well it worked the other way round didn't it, when they replaced rabab with harmonium. Even Mardana's descendants in pakistan play harmonium, so they maneged to replace a string instrument with harmonium

3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's not the specific instrument per se, but the collective affect caused by the melodies, beats, and lyrics if we're talking about these things on the subconscious level.

yes but this effect does make a difference in thought and feeling etc! 

 

3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Harmonium Vs Rabaab is an purist argument of Tradition / Heritage. The bajaa hasn't made Sikhs nastiks, lol, it just means we eschewed an authentic musical form of expression for something comparably less rich in musical complexity and texture.

being anti-tradition and hinduphobic has made sikhs more naastik, such as being anti-dasam, anti-dhup, anti-jyot and calling these things bamanwaad and superstitious, and also creating a naastik shankawaadi version of chaupai sahib

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