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Yeah man seriously, let me try typing a swear word and then see if I can edit it..... Gandhi Tytler Ahhhh man sucks! Still can't edit!!

I've heard of Hindu veg. (which by the way doesn't include any egg/fish from the flights I've come across) and Asian veg. possibly includes egg (as they don't see egg as meat) but not Jain meal so far, although it must be there. Its a surprise that people would be fine with Indian but not Hindu. Why not complain to refrain from using any religious/national label to any food item, i.e. just make it vegan, vegetarian, pure vegetarian and non-vegetarian, etc. Why not totally remove any label, be it Indian/Asian/Hindu/Jain? It is alright to complain, but keep in mind that our own fellow Sikhs are very frequently seen to be asking for whiskey/beer and happily eat meat on flights. Just curious, is the irritation towards the name solely out of hatred for Hindus :D ? Wait, not saying anyone who posted above hates them, but been on this forum way too long to have too many doubts

:biggrin2: The Singh uncles bristling and salivating at the prospect of a pegh on a plane, barely able to contain their joy at being served a glassy or five on a flight has always cracked me up since I was a kid.

Kya baat hai, the trailer looks very good I am interesting in donating some money jeo, how can that be done?

Kaljugi vats, yeh viakti chup nahi ho rahe, hamein lagta hai inn ko kisi aushdhi (medication) ki aavashyakta (requirement) hai. Tumhara kya vichaar hai ?

Requirement to tie an Englandi pagh is to have an Englandee accent. Whenever you tie it, you have to speak like the englandees. innit m8 Always ask for bibi elizibeth's asheervadh

Talk about the removal of Sumedh Saini from DGP of Punjab, he is tainted police officer with number of cases against him including some serious human rights violations

You're meeting the PM and President of India??? How did you manage to do that? In addition to Anand Karaj and justice for victims of '84, I would add: - Clean up the drinking water in Punjab. It is contaminated with pesticides and it is causing an outbreak of cancer. - Give incentives for farmers to return to clean organic farming. - Punjab needs more cancer treatment facilities and drug-rehab centers. - Punjab Police needs to set up a narcotics division. If they already have one, they need to become more effective. Work with Pakistan to set up an efficient train service between Amritsar and Lahore. Make it easier for yatrees to visit gurdwaras like Nankana Sahib and Panja Sahib in Pakistan. Make it easier for Pakistani Sikhs to visit Harmandir Sahib. Open Kartarpur Corridor between Gurdwara Kartarpur Sahib in Pakistan, and Dera Baba Nanak Gurdwara in India. Promote this as a corridor for peace between India and Pakistan. It will make it easier for yatrees to visit the place where Guru Nanak spent his last days, in Kartarpur.

allow the bashing & hate , just expose him for the fraudster he is rather than making it into a hatred tread... which would be closed down

Virgin Atlantic/Jet Airways/BA - Why is the meal termed as Hindu meal? I have lodged a formal complaint with Virgin Atlantic, and they have taken my point, they are going to raise the issue. If anybody in the same boat, please call your airlines and raise the issue with them, meal should be termed as Asian/Indian Vegetarian or Asian/Indian Non-Vegetarian and not as Hindu meal. Only if more and more callers call them, the gravity of concern will be entertained.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc-p22QPA3k the kirpan just needs to be sharp. just learn how to use it effectivly, learn boxing etc. too or karate. if you are going through a rough area show the kirpan a bit. people ARE scared. keys can be used as a weapon, even my baaj (thing you use to tuck hair into the pagh) can be used to hurt people (person experience ).

It's quite obvious not all of these posters are real. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a boy whose cousin's name is namrita that is posting. If it's real, sherdil summed it up well.

we have more important issues than this to solve

History Book of 2110.... "the battlefield thundered as they roared their war cry....the Khalsa Sikhs fought fiercely like dinosaurs..." :khalsa2:

In the time between my last post and this one ive been thinking about it and i think i get why only five Singhs can be Panj Piyare. Its about the keeping the essence of the first Amrit Sanchar and like you said the Panj Piyare must be symbolised in every way. I hope i didnt come across as rude in my other post Veer Ji.

Virgin Atlantic, Hindu meal means "Asian Non-Veg". I have raised the complaint, but I am sure nothing is going to happen. Only if some Sikh organisation takes up this issue, something serious is going to happen.

i agree, why 'hindu' veg? i lodged a complaint to qatar airways. they explained it meant free of egg and fish aswell as meat, but took my complaint no further. i would prefer not to eat than choose the 'hindu meal'. all this adds to the stats

If you don't eat for many hours that is a different matter, Singhs have starved for more that 72 days at a one go. But the question is why highlight as 'hindu meal'. I have been questioning the airlines & filing their suggestion booklet since I first flew in an international flight in 1998, and the condition is still continuing. But this is less on Gulf or Mid-east flights.

MAAA HAA BHAAA RAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTT....dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum

There is no rule book that says patiala shahi has to be 7 meters or englandee shahi has to be 4 meters. A patiala shahi can be 5.5 meters and look just as big as a 7 meter pagh. Just make it as long as you want to or can tie. When I first started to learn triangular pagh i got 5.5 meter cloth. After I mastered that I felt I wanted to make it a bit bigger and got 7+ meters. If you want to tie englandee shahi would you fold it like jusreign does in the video or get it so you can do a pooni?

Singhaan vallo khussreyaan bhari shiv sena nu karaara jawaab...paa deyo saare apni Facebook te, jehda vi shiv sena da chella hove oh dhiyaan naal dekhe te sunay, Singh vi koi choodiya paake nai bethhey... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4vCB7cHL1k

I am really sorry to know all this sister. I can't even imagine the painful shock of having lost an unborn baby. I hope no one ever has to go through this ordeal and hope Vaheguru jee can bless you with the strength to overcome it. Have you told him about this loss? Please make sure you talk to someone at this time, even if its your other Sikh friends. The sick truth behind all this is that he was with you only to sleep with you, since he never wanted to marry you or have kids with you. I would say you don't deserve him, or rather he didn't deserve to be with you, he wasn't worth it. I am not saying it to make you feel better, but the fact that you didn't bother about being with someone of another culture, and he did, is enough to show who has a bigger heart and is more accepting. I am sure the one thing you don't want to hear/read right now is that "not all Sikhs are like him", but I also feel you know that already. Another thing is that any kind of pre-marital or extra-marital physical relationship with someone who is not one's wedded spouse is among the 4 cardinal sins and acts of transgression in Sikhism. So Mr. M was a bad example of a Sikh to begin with. I really hope Vaheguru jee blesses you with strength in this difficult time. Not sure why you posted here or how we could help. But if there is anything you feel we could help out with, please do let us know.

I agree, especially cause of the situation in Rajasthan, one of the killers of '84 was made the MP by Badal in Rajasthan and when Sikhs in the US/UK started the case against him and others, he froze all the assets especially agricultural land for Sikhs living in Rajasthan. I can just imagine what those Sikhs are thinking, "aap ta well settled in US/UK te hun sade vaste pangay pay jandhe" that they have secure lives in the western countries, while we are suffering the consequences of them trying to get justice. But I don't think we should give up. Let the government do all it can, poora zor la lain do, it'll hopefully be only a little longer, cause it seems like what the Singhs are doing here in the US/UK is starting to have an affect. About becoming shastardhari: it's a dilemma both ways, if they get caught with any serious weapons they'll be arrested as being terrorists, and with kirpans n sticks it'll be hard to fight off mobs carryin guns n another massacre can occur. That's when you know ur living in slavery, as second class citizens, when there's no help in sight

Agree with you. The first step of the Indian Govt was to kill to solid Sikhs who committed to getting the Panth its freedom. The second step is to subvert from within by using the 'Living Gurus' , the indian controlled Nangs etc to get the innocent Sikhs confused and end up hating themselves and their Shaheeds. I have been reading the posts of the Hindu/Sikhs for a while and its quite clever the methods they use to try and prove they are correct. Only Sikhs with a good knowledge of our history can counter it (thats not many). They constantly attack the Singh Sabha because they unified the Sikhs and took them back to the period of the Guru Sahibs teaching and removed the Brahmin mat that had come into being towards the end of Ranjits Singhs rule and during the British period. They even have the cheek to say the Singh Sabha teachings were British inspired! The Indian Govt also hate the impact of the Singh Sabha and the drive on Miri Piri principals that threaten their rule, hence support for the Hindu/Sikhs. When the massacre of Sikhs had just taken place and the Guru Sahibs writings had been burnt by the Indian army all Sikhs were totally oppossed to what had happened (Including Congress Supporters). The only people who stood by Indira Gandhi was Santa Singh and his Buddha Dal faction. I think you can make out where some of this group stand.

Big Bang Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 3 - Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj ਕੀਤਾ ਪਸਾਉ ਏਕੋ ਕਵਾਉ ॥ You created the vast expanse of the Universe with One Word! Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 839 - Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj ਅੰਡਜ ਫੋੜਿ ਜੋੜਿ ਵਿਛੋੜਿ ॥ Breaking the cosmic egg, He united, and separated. When did creation start? Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 4 - Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj ਜਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਿਰਠੀ ਕਉ ਸਾਜੇ ਆਪੇ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਈ ॥ The Creator who created this creation-only He Himself knows. Air causing chemical reactions prior to creation of life Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 19 - Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj ਸਾਚੇ ਤੇ ਪਵਨਾ ਭਇਆ ਪਵਨੈ ਤੇ ਜਲੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ From the True Lord came the air, and from the air came water. ਜਲ ਤੇ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ ਸਾਜਿਆ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮੋਇ ॥ From water, He created the three worlds; in each and every heart He has infused His Light. Moon reflects light of the sun Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 943 - Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj ਸਸਿ ਘਰਿ ਸੂਰੁ ਵਸੈ ਮਿਟੈ ਅੰਧਿਆਰਾ ॥ When the sun dwells in the house of the moon, the darkness is dispelled. What was there before any creation? Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 1035 - Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj ਅਰਬਦ ਨਰਬਦ ਧੁੰਧੂਕਾਰਾ ॥ For endless eons, there was only utter darkness. ਧਰਣਿ ਨ ਗਗਨਾ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ There was no earth or sky; there was only the infinite Command of His Hukam. ਨਾ ਦਿਨੁ ਰੈਨਿ ਨ ਚੰਦੁ ਨ ਸੂਰਜੁ ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਲਗਾਇਦਾ ॥੧॥ There was no day or night, no moon or sun; God sat in primal, profound Samaadhi. ||1|| Darwin's theory of evolution Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 176 - Sahib Sri Guru Arjan Dev Jee Maharaj ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਭਏ ਕੀਟ ਪਤੰਗਾ ॥ In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect; ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਜ ਮੀਨ ਕੁਰੰਗਾ ॥ in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer. ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਪੰਖੀ ਸਰਪ ਹੋਇਓ ॥ In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake. ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਹੈਵਰ ਬ੍ਰਿਖ ਜੋਇਓ ॥੧॥ In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse. ||1|| 4 types of creation - Chaupai Sahib in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Jee - Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj ਅੰਡਜ ਜੇਰਜ ਸੇਤਜ ਕੀਨੀ ॥ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਖਾਨਿ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਰਚਿ ਦੀਨੀ ॥੩੯੪॥ He created creatures from eggs, wombs and perspiration; then He created the vegetable kingdom.394. Planets attraction, black hole theory - Chaupai Sahib in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Jee - Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj ਜਬ ਉਦਕਰਖ ਕਰਾ ਕਰਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਜਾ ਧਰਤ ਤਬ ਦੇਹ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ When the Creator projected Himself, His creation manifested itself in innumerable forms; ਜਬ ਆਕਰਖ ਕਰਤ ਹੋ ਕਬਹੂੰ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਮੈ ਮਿਲਤ ਦੇਹ ਧਰ ਸਭਹੂੰ ॥੩੮੯॥ When at any time He withdraws His creation, all the physical forms are merged in Him.389. Death of stars/planets, everything ends in water - Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Jee - Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj ਜੈਸੇ ਏਕ ਆਗ ਤੇ ਕਨੂਕਾ ਕੋਟਿ ਆਗ ਉਠੈ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਹੁਇ ਕੈ ਫੇਰਿ ਆਗ ਮੈ ਮਿਲਾਹਿਂਗੇ ॥ Just as millions of sparks are created from the fire; although they are different entities, they merge in the same fire. ਜੈਸੇ ਏਕ ਧੂਰਿ ਤੇ ਅਨੇਕ ਧੂਰਿ ਪੂਰਤ ਹੈ ਧੂਰਿ ਕੇ ਕਨੂਕਾ ਫੇਰ ਧੂਰਿ ਹਿ ਸਮਾਹਿਂਗੇ Just as from of waves are created on the surface of the big rivers and all the waves are called water. ਜੈਸੇ ਏਕ ਨਦ ਤੇ ਤੰਰਗ ਕੋਟਿ ਉਪਜਤ ਹੈਂ ਪਾਨਿ ਕੇ ਤਰੰਗ ਸਬੈ ਪਾਨਿ ਹੀ ਕਹਾਹਿਂਗੇ ॥ Similarly the animate and inanimate objects come out of the Supreme Lord; having been created from the same Lord, they merge in the same Lord. 17.87. Sun is shrinking - Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 1354 Sahib Sri Guru Arjan Dev Jee Maharaj ਘਟੰਤ ਰੂਪੰ ਘਟੰਤ ਦੀਪੰ ਘਟੰਤ ਰਵਿ ਸਸੀਅਰ ਨਖ੍ਯ੍ਯਤ੍ਰ ਗਗਨੰ ॥ Beauty fades away, islands fade away, the sun, moon, stars and sky fade away. ਘਟੰਤ ਬਸੁਧਾ ਗਿਰਿ ਤਰ ਸਿਖੰਡੰ ॥ The earth, mountains, forests and lands fade away. Gravity Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 228 - Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj ਡੋਲੁ ਬਧਾ ਕਸਿ ਜੇਵਰੀ ਆਕਾਸਿ ਪਤਾਲਾ ॥੬॥ Like the bucket tied to the rope in the well, you are pulled up to the Akaashic Ethers, and then lowered down to the nether regions of the underworld. ||6|| Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, thus potential difference of earth is zero Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Jee - Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj ਜਿਮੀ ਜਮਾਨ ਕੇ ਬਿਖੈ ਸਮਸਤ ਏਕ ਜੋਤਿ ਹੈ ॥ Within all the earth and sky, there is only one Light. ਨ ਘਾਟ ਹੈ ਨ ਬਾਢ ਹੈ ਨ ਘਾਟ ਬਾਢ ਹੋਤ ਹੈ ॥ Which neither decreases nor increases in any being, It never decreases or increases. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 272 - Sahib Sri Guru Arjan Dev Jee Maharaj ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਕੈ ਧੀਰਜੁ ਏਕ ॥ T he God-conscious being has a steady patience, ਜਿਉ ਬਸੁਧਾ ਕੋਊ ਖੋਦੈ ਕੋਊ ਚੰਦਨ ਲੇਪ ॥ like the earth, which is dug up by one, and anointed with sandal paste by another. Energy transfer: Grass has energy, eaten by cattle, then energy goes to milk, and from milk finally into butter. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Ang 617 - Sahib Sri Guru Arjan Dev Jee Maharaj ਸਗਲ ਬਨਸਪਤਿ ਮਹਿ ਬੈਸੰਤਰੁ ਸਗਲ ਦੂਧ ਮਹਿ ਘੀਆ ॥ Fire is contained in all firewood, and butter is contained in all milk. ਊਚ ਨੀਚ ਮਹਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਣੀ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਮਾਧਉ ਜੀਆ ॥੧॥ God's Light is contained in the high and the low; the Lord is in the hearts of all beings. ||1|| These are just minor translations done by certain hardworking individuals as a devoted effort to assist the masses in understanding the interpretations of Gurbani. However, at times they do not do complete justice to the gems and priceless secrets of knowledge that Gurbani contains. A lot of further extensive study and research needs to be done, and what I have presented here is only the tip of the iceberg. I came across several other references towards scientific facts that the Guru Sahibaan blessed us with centuries ago and which science is discovering only today. Indeed, Sikhi doesn't need to be consistent with science, but in fact science today is attempting to be in accordance with Gurbani.

I am writing this peace based on my own experience with students of nihang niddar singh in general via sikhawareness.com, meeting them personally in akhara/ socially. Nihang Niddar Singh Students and Shiv Shakti: Whilst most nihangs in India are fairly familiar with sargun and nirgun relationship in Gurmat and the importance of nirgun shabad.Unfortunately, same cannot be said for students of nihang niddar singh. Lot of students of nihang niddar singh are stuck in this vicious cycle of shiv shakti concept (which is just part of sargun) instead of seeing gurmat in its full view (both sargun and nirgun) but there are some serious students who are still in path of Gurmat. There is no doubt nihangs in general pay lot of respect to shakti ( an concept as part of sargun maya listed in sri sarbloh granth) as shastar/dev shakti as its integral part of being a nihang(based on sri sarbloh granth sidhant its parvan in gurmat) but while doing so nihang parchariks always at the end - convey the importance of nirgun shabad- Vahiguroo. However in the akhara, intertwined relationship between sargun and nirgun and importance of nirgun is not pro-actively explained (for whatever reason) to young students/students of all age so for new students it will appear the vidya itself is primarily focus on shiv shakti until they get to learn about last void pentra or instead of student looking at the full picture of vidya..!! Hence, you have highly misguided students who wrapped their head soley around on shiv shakti concept which is part of sargun maya- have all kind of limited power hindu deities pictures on their online facebook profiles pictures/ forum avtars etc instead of looking at the bigger picture or see gurmat in its totality. I met another student back in sikh student camp uk 2003 or 2004. This highly misguided soul was wearing ganesh ji tshirt, not only he idiolized shiv shakti/sargun maya concept from the akhara by wrapping his around - shakti/sargun maya concept but this twat was actually using sikhi as platform just to piss off his separated brother -right wing nut bar mindset on the other side and potentially every sane sikh out there..!! As far shastarvidya goes, i have no question/doubts on its authenticity as it was explained by nihang niddar singh himself to me (all pentras) but have grave concerns how methodology is presented and methodology being misunderstood where actual nirgun aspect in Gurmat gets clouded by sargun rituals so much so that lot of students are actually becoming more - snantan shiv shakat upasakhs/followers rather than Khalsa who is nirgun shabad upasakh.!!!! Gurmat sidhant clearly list the importance of nirgun vahiguroo in 21st asthapadi of sri sukhmani sahib where maharaj has clearly said to followers of all shaktis to rise above from all these shakti/daiv shakti/shiv shakti as in nirgun there is nothing, no shiv nor its shakti. He is above from all of that..!! You can listen to katha of 21 asthapadi by sant gyani gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale. Sant Ji explains it all..I think 21 asthpadi vaikhiya is indicates actual tat of gurmat where maharaj wanted to take us..!!! RSS and Nihang Niddar Singh: There is no evidence to suggest that uk nihangs- student of nihang niddar singh ji or nihang niddar singh himself have any affiliations with RSS. However, their website is quoted on numerous occasions by RSS themselves quoting sikhs worshipping shiv shakti to basically to prove RSS aim all along. So yea- Nihangs of UK are not RSS but they surely creating an environment or letting RSS exploiting their websites and quote to basically prove sikhs are hindus. Akhara and Students of Nihang Niddar Singh: It's open akhara without too much thought in upholding higher Gurmat values but rather just teaching raw shastarvidya/shakti- sargun concept - providing only one aspect(shakti) in sikhi instead of giving full gurmat view in it totality and without looking at broader implications how it could impact newcomer sikhs. In whole akhara there are might be 10 serious students which i respect who are actually there to learn the martial art with full dedication and devotion rest are all time passers, gossipi singhs (females trapped in singhs body) who just trying to "fit in", hide their own shortomcoming behind akhara and use akhara as platform to lash out their own grievances against various jatha and institutions in extreme manner and off course nihang niddar singh and general budda dal hostile attitude towards akj and taksal mehta post sant kartar singh bhindranwale time does not help either but rather perpetuates this cycle of hate. I am not sure about nihang niddar singh but his close associates (not serious students) but his close associates like narsingha and co were actually one point part of right wing thought. They revolted went totally like left wing and hijack the nihang bana and gurmat to fight their own silly tribal wars..just like we have partakh example in cyber space- harjas kaur khalsa who used to be on extreme right but after hearing extreme right parchar for so long, she revolted went on extreme left. Now you will find her posting on rss websites. Nihang Niddar Singh should acknowledge this shortcoming and accept full responsibility and accountability of amount of choas - disunity in the panth which was created when their website first came out if his main was to spread/preserve lost tradition such as shastar vidya and get maximum impact from it Alcohol, Sukha and Nihangs: Apparently, this is a problem in uk but its actually an problem originated from nihang dals. It appears they don't have any intention of stopping alcohol problem and sukha abuse in dals may be its not widespread..i don't know. I don't think they care as much anymore unless jathedar is pakka on Gurmat. I am not in the dals so i cannot speak for the ground reality there, as i said may be they are down playing this alcohol problem in nihang dals because its not widespread problem. But i do know for fact -sharab is not something that is almost unheard of in the dals, its so much so that they even have special name for it- its refer to as "panj ratani". I think the nihang niddar singh cannot be soley blamed for this issue as he just following previous leaders- its inhertied in nihangs there are sakhiya some of jathedars have no issue having - panj ratani. They consider alchohol/panj ratani as one of amrit(gem) given to them by shiv ji (How outrageous that even sounds compare to dhan dhan dhan sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj giving amrit to his khalsa) So we need to look at the root of problem when it comes to alcohol. The whole mindset has to be change from authority in dal from top to bottom. Restaurant processed meat and UK Nihangs: I am myself veggie. I among many senior taksali have no issue with chatka done in proper nihang maryada with chandi di vaar patt so on and so forth but its outright disrespectful from true nihang perspective to have restaurant processed meat and they all know that. But they do it anyway. It's sets an quite bad precedence among youths getting into sikhi and its contrary to sikh martial traditions..!! UK Nihangs and SGPC: I don't blame budda dal nihangs or nihangs of uk generally being anti-sgpc. From their perspective, they have every right to be against ferengi institution which kicked them out and throw sri dasam granth maharaj out of darbar sahib but with that being said within budda dal nihangs there are many under the carpret issues they have to address and clean up before they can claim any authority over sri akaal takth sahib..!! These are my unbias take on this subject. While nihang niddar singh can be held responsible for creating hostile situation and disunity/division in the panth but the root of the problem remains exactly in budda dal itself (now making having presence in UK) where dal needs to address lot of under the carpet issues and do clean up before they can even suggest that - they are some sort of martial authority in the panth.!!

Bani Bana Pankh Pashano, Singh Guru Ka Panshee Jano spiritual and physical discipline know these to be the two wings, the Guru's singh has both and flys like a bird if snatan Hindu shastarvidiya was so good, then why did Guru Gobind Singh ji have to be born in the age of Kalyug and create the Sant-Sipahi KHALSA, a diferent warrior that had spirituality and bravery in one. why did Guru Gobind Singh ji say in Bachittar Natak "PANTH CHALEY TAB JAGAT MEH JAB TUM HO SAHAI" that a new panth will flourish in the world when God will grant his support. so there was no talk of carry on the Hindu reet, it was "eh teesar majhab hu khalsa, upjio pardhana" Guru Gobind Singh ji was asked who is truly great in this world DHAN JIO TEH KO JAG MEH MUKH TEH HAR CHIT MEH YUDH VICHAAR only they are great in this age, who have the name of the lord on their lips and thought of war against injustice on their mind (Guru Gobind Singh Ji - Dasam Granth) how many shaheedis or morchas has the "Akali Nihang Baba Darbara Singh Suraj Bansia Ranjit Shiv Akhara" been invovled in ? In which historic books has "Akali Nihang Baba Darbara Singh Suraj Bansia Ranjit Shiv Akhara" been mentioned in ? actually before Niddar singh came back from india who has ever heard of it, ask people from india they have never heard of them. where does Guru Gobind Singh ji mention Shastarvidiya in bani - surely if it was so important he would have not forgot to mention it. all balanced questions that need to be discussed and talked about. Gurbani is the highest and it is what they are most afraid of. There is a saying in birmingham now which goes like this "Niddars boys are warriors afraid of nothing apart from Paath and kirtan" its a sad state of affairs which we do not want passed to the next generation. we should grorify those who have actually done something for sikhi, not just done a few scripted seminars, and proclaimed to be the last sikh soldier on earth.

thanks, made the correction. just posted another article about "the last sikh warrior"

1. Conviction & punishment to guilty of operation blue-star on Sri Darbar Sahib & attack on other Gurudwaras: The attackers included of army’s 1st Para Brigade (1st battalion), Commandos (CATS) of 10th guards, selected armed units of Hyderabad & Ranchi cantts, army’s special dog squad from Jorhat, artillery units from Meerut cantt., Bihar regiment, Kumaon regiment, Madras regiment, Garhwal regiment, special Frontier force, 16th cavalry, 5th mechanical; India navy personnel from bombay, BSF, CRPF, ITBP, PAC (Panjab Police) 2. Punishment to the perpetrators of Sikkh Genocide 1984 which was carried out in over 110 cities of 18 states of india: It was planned & guided by politicians, bureaucrats, policemen, para-military forces, who gathered all criminals, anti-social elements, hooligans, common people & incited them to kill at sight any Sikh. Property worth millions of dollars was looted and destroyed. 3. Dharmi Faujis: Immediate release, reinstatement & proper compensation to those Sikkh soldiers who had revolted in the wake of the attack on their most sacred & holiest shrine in 1984 4. Innocent Pilgrims: Immediate release, reinstatement & proper compensation to those innocent pilgrims who were taken into custody when the army attacked Sri Darbar Sahib are still languishing in Jodhpur & other jails since 1984. 5. Fake-encounters & other atrocities on Sikkhs (1984 to 1999): Punishment to those like KPS, J Rebiero, Sumedh Saini, Ajit Bains, etc; who were responsible for killing innocent, young or old Sikkhs in fake-encounters, extra-judicial killings, murdered by politicians-police vendetta & vengeance, kidnapping, rape, ransom, 3rd degree tortures, arbitrary executions. From 1984 till today, nearly 2,50,000 have been exterminated: - 50k in fake encounters (1984 to 1999), - 52k are still in jails (as per MASR: Movement against State Repression), some even more than more than 28 years, and the life terms is for 16 years! (see above # 3 & # 4) - India still holds 52,268 Sikhs as political prisoners under the repressive TADA law, which expired in 1995. It is also holding tens of thousands of other minorities without charge or trial. http://www.fas.org/i...error-india.htm And the perpetrators are awarded with higher positions of power, gallantry awards, and monetary rewards, medals on their chests & stripes on their shoulders. 6. Implementation of Anandpur Sahib Resolution 7. Anand Karaj Act 8. Deletion of Article 25 (2) (B) which refers to Sikkhs as a part of Hindu community. 9. Transfer of Chandigarh & Punjabi speaking areas to Punjab. 10. Giving deserving status to Punjabi language in neighboring states 11. Permanent settlement of water dispute as per riparian rules & rights 12. Rejuvenating agriculture sector: Bold steps are needed for drastic changes, professional approach and transparency in the system. It should be result oriented & sustainable so that agriculture becomes a lucrative business for the farmers & they are debt-free. 13. World class public health facilities & education to the citizens of Panjab 14. Stop changing demography of Panjab

we want to buy punjab from india - how much will it cost ? we are serious on that one.