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Ok so I just had this idea earlier this week. There was some video on YouTube a couple of months ago called Sikh Think Tank, and most people seemed to be uncles (no offense lol). I am just wondering if we could have some sort of a think tank right here on Sikhsangat? We have enough people who can contribute and brainstorm solutions to several issues Sikhs are facing. The plus point is that they are from different parts of the world. Bijla Singh (requesting historical and political perspectives) N30S1NGH (requesting spiritual Gurmat perspectives) Consciousness (requesting spiritual Gurmat perspectives) proactive (requesting historical and political perspectives) There must be several others also who I am probably forgetting. We usually don't agree on many things, which is another good thing as it opens more scopes for further brainstorming. Initially I was thinking if we could have a new section where only few people could have access and post, but then that fails the entire idea of a free forum, so we can do it in the form of normal threads. I am just thinking of ways as to how we could make this forum more constructive in terms of Panthic matters. I am sure there are people who know people, so once there is an agreement on a particular solution to a particular problem, we can then create an online petition and circulate it on Facebook, Twitter and other Sikh forums to get more approvals and then send it to whoever concerned in order to form a collective Panthic voice. The only condition is that the discussion is constructive, and so is the criticism. If you need to highlight a flaw, just highlight the flaw without resorting to getting personal. Yes, this will have to be where one would need to re-read his/her messages a few times before hitting "Post". I am looking for people who are mature enough to discuss. The 4 Gurmukhs I have listed are regular and active posters and I expect wise words from them each time I read their post. I am sure there are others as well, please do come forward as we need more opinions and viewpoints. S1ngh, Balait, do we need a separate section for this? You guys are the tech kings, please see if that could be done, or lets see how the Sangat responds and if needed we can have a separate section once we see that the response is good. So what do you all think? Please send your comments/suggestions and we can start with one issue as one new thread and start off.

I'll give you 3 words that should be at the heart of all Sikh tactics, rebuttals, correspondence, arguments etc for the next year and a half at least : Scotland Scotland Scotland With the Prime Minister David Cameron announcing the independence referendum for Scotland next year, every time the Indian media spins stories about us being 'extremists', 'terrorists' and 'militants' we need to ask the world what the difference is between Sikhs and the Scots. The Scottish referendum is gonna dominate news across the world continously for the next year and is already being seen as a template for the Catalonians in Spain and the Welsh among others. Thankfully, the Scottish Sikhs already have gotten the public support of the independence leader Alex Salmon. We need to articulate to the world why, when it comes to basic human rights, some humans are considered more human than others. When Sikhs desire independence they are evil extremists - When Scots desire independence they are normal people simply desiring independence When Sikh leaders talk about independence they are arrested, charged and tortured - Scottish independence leaders are given seats in Parliament. If a Sikh mentions independence he is silenced - The Scots that desire independence are given free, equal and balanced TV airtime during elections so that democracy can take its course. Think tank objective : Knowing in advance how the Scottish issue is gonna dominate international news, including in India, how can we use it to our advantage ?

ikk aurat pati di umer vadhoun lei karva chauth da vart rakhan laggi svere uthke kilo dudh vich paa seviyaan aapne tidd nu bharan laggi pateela khaddkiya pati di jaag khulli kehnda preetam pyaari ih tu ki karan laggi kehndi chup karke sounja marjaaneya ih mai tera hee siyappa karan laggi

I don't know about you guys, but I see a cerebral and critical discussion as a big positive as that's something that will be productive and practical in the long run. Cross examination and acknowledging another side is good which is why I appreciate DalSingh101's posts a lot because he does have experience and has a good perspective. I do, however, believe we can (if we all give up our egos) come together and work on such things to empower ourselves for the future. Mistakes were made and we continue to make them, but I do think the newer generation is a bit more intelligent than the uncles who know nothing more than shouting speeches without any real goal. What screws up these discussions? Personal attacks and getting personal. Eat your ego and just play it safe.

isnt that the exact same thing he does

yaar asi baar baar khima mang chukke aa...tusi halle vi gusse ho te ek vaari fer sadde vallo gajj ke sorry aakhi jaandi hai...

Panjabis need a complete attitude change, that's what we need. Towards each other, towards the world. Right now we are some materialistic, backstabbing, hungry, show off, unsophisticated pendus. Education is only going to help if it gives us a more healthy, progressive mindset, not if it just some strategy to get better jobs and still act like small minded, backwards yokels.

Beautiful posts!

Tibetan monk and molecular geneticist Matthieu Ricard is the happiest man in the world according to researchers at the University of Wisconsin. The 66-year-old’s brain produces a level of gamma waves - those linked to consciousness, attention, learning and memory - never before reported in neuroscience Read more: http://india.nydaily...n#ixzz2B0w6JosN The monk, molecular geneticist and confidant of the Dalai Lama, is passionately setting out why meditation can alter the brain and improve people's happiness in the same way that lifting weights puts on muscle. "It's a wonderful area of research because it shows that meditation is not just blissing out under a mango tree but it completely changes your brain and therefore changes what you are," the Frenchman told AFP. Ricard, a globe-trotting polymath who left everything behind to become a Tibetan Buddhist in a Himalayan hermitage, says anyone can be happy if they only train their brain. Neuroscientist Richard Davidson wired up Ricard's skull with 256 sensors at the University of Wisconsin four years ago as part of research on hundreds of advanced practitioners of meditation. The scans showed that when meditating on compassion, Ricard's brain produces a level of gamma waves -- those linked to consciousness, attention, learning and memory -- "never reported before in the neuroscience literature", Davidson said. The scans also showed excessive activity in his brain's left prefrontal cortex compared to its right counterpart, giving him an abnormally large capacity for happiness and a reduced propensity towards negativity, researchers believe. Research into the phenomenon, known as "neuroplasticity," is in its infancy and Ricard has been at the forefront of ground-breaking experiments along with other leading scientists across the world. "We have been looking for 12 years at the effect of short and long-term mind-training through meditation on attention, on compassion, on emotional balance," he said. "We've found remarkable results with long-term practitioners who did 50,000 rounds of meditation, but also with three weeks of 20 minutes a day, which of course is more applicable to our modern times." The 66-year-old, accompanying other senior Tibetan monks at a festival in the remote Nepalese Himalayan region of Upper Dolpa, has become a globally respected Buddhist and is one of the religion's leading western scholars. But he has not always been on the path to enlightenment. Ricard grew up among the Paris intellectual elite as the son of celebrated French libertarian philosopher Jean-Francois Revel and abstract watercolor painter Yahne Le Toumelin. "All these people used to come around, most of Paris intellectual life. We had all the French painters and I was myself interested in classical music so I met a lot of musicians," he said. "At lunch we'd have three Nobel Prize winners eating with us. It was fantastic... Some of them were wonderful but some could be difficult." By the time he got his PhD in cell genetics from the Institut Pasteur in Paris in 1972 he had become disillusioned with the dinner party debates and had already begun to journey to Darjeeling in India during his holidays. Eschewing intimate relationships and a career, he moved to India to study Buddhism and emerged 26 years later as something of celebrity thanks to "The Monk And The Philosopher," a dialogue on the meaning of life he wrote with his father. "That was the end of my quiet time because it was a bestseller. Suddenly I was projected into the western world. Then I did more dialogues with scientists and the whole thing started to spin off out of control. "I got really involved in science research and the science of meditation." A prominent monk in Kathmandu's Shechen Monastery, Ricard divides his year between isolated meditation, scientific research and accompanying the Dalai Lama as his adviser on trips to French-speaking countries and science conferences. He addressed the World Economic Forum in Davos at the height of the financial crisis in 2009 to tell gathered heads of state and business leaders it was time to give up greed in favor of "enlightened altruism." His other works include "Happiness: A Guide to Developing Life's Most Important Skill" and several collections of photographs of the landscape, people and spiritual masters of the Himalayas. Ricard donates all proceeds of his books to 110 humanitarian projects which have built schools for 21,000 children and provide healthcare for 100,000 patients a year. He was awarded the French National Order of Merit for his work in preserving Himalayan culture but it is his work on the science of happiness which perhaps defines him best. Ricard sees living a good life, and showing compassion, not as a religious edict revealed from on high, but as a practical route to happiness. "Try sincerely to check, to investigate," he said. "That's what Buddhism has been trying to unravel -- the mechanism of happiness and suffering. It is a science of the mind." Copyright (2012) AFP. All rights reserved. Read more: http://india.nydaily...n#ixzz2B0wL6LIh

Reminds me of a quote I made yesterday...

Sanj Singh bro, i think if you can read first four pages. It covers quite a bit.

I find our own Khalistanis myopic myself - they don't seem to be able to grasp the idea (even after decades) that people generally don't really care excessively about religious sentiments, but rather issues of prosperity, prospects and lifestyle. That goes double for Panjabis who seem obsessed with this. So all these ideas about 'international trends' and gaining support abroad are ridiculous as the truth is that the people who need convincing the most - Panjabis - of all backgrounds in India - are not given much thought at all.

I think the Scottish nationalist / English nationalist paradigm is very pertinent Dal Singh. The difference between the two nationalists is that one desires freedom whilst the other represents the entity that is ruling over people that don't necessarily want to be ruled by them. Using our example , the Scots = the Sikhs - the English = the Indians. International sympathy, empathy and the winds of change are on our side. The trouble is we simply don't know how to use that international feeling to our advantage just yet. Thats where think tanks come in. Another interesting point is how, as recent BBC polls have indicated, minority groups in Scotland such as the Sikhs are more in favour of Scottish independence than some of the native Scots themselves. This phenonema is already attracting international attention as these 2 very recent news articles about the Sikhs of Barcelona indicate. Whether its in Edinburgh, Cardiff or Barcelona the Sikhs seem to be at the forefront of independence movements. Thats why I truly believe we need to be ready to enthusiasticly grab this wind of change thats about to sweep the world. These kind of winds only come once every 30 years or so and when they come they are unstoppable. Scotland, Wales, Catalonia and Flanders are the obvious ones. We Sikhs need to be aware that the wind is coming and we need to ensure we're flying with the wind rather than being hidden away from it in a shelter. http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0 http://www.indianexp...y-with/1024797/

Aww guys, I am humbled you guys choose me- i m nothing like empty vessel without Guru maharaj and mahapursh kirpa. I will try my best to give advise based on Gursikh Mahapursh perception. I also vote- JasSinghKhalsa, DalSingh101, Chatanga and Johny101 as political PR, providing political and historical perspective as well. ..!! They all have bought some amazing posts in the past. I also highly vote PAL07, (like to vote- kam1825 as well but he is not active on forum much) providing spiritual gurmat perspective as well as he spent many many years, time with mahapursh and understanding gurbani shabad in context. He could also validate what Consciousness and I have to say on matter if its trivial or bit of grey area, so transparency and accountability is maintained through out the whole way. I agree- freed is live walking encyclopedia singh when it comes to historical pictures/events etc. He should be part of the team too. This concept looks difficult in mind but once its laid out nicely like this thread, its looks much easier :D :D

"...meditation is not just blissing out under a mango tree..." :lol2: :excited:

How much respect would this guy receive if he said he couldn't find it in his conscience to pay respects to Indira Gandhi? It would make headlines around the world. But no, he's as much as part of the system in India as anyone else high up.

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Based on new initiative- Sikhsangat think tank- http://www.sikhsanga...gat-think-tank/ , I am opening up this thread to have constructive discussion on this topic- Revamp/tweak standard sikhi parchar to those who are new to sikhi..!! I personally been two camps in toronto when i first got into sikhi. They both have strength and weakness. Whilst, they have lot to discuss on sikh political activism, unfortunately they were out of depth when it comes to sikhi spirituality and they fail to provide basic framework to connect everyone- especially youths who are new to sikhi (mona/keshadhari alike). Here are some of the weakness in parchar in sikhi camp/gurdwara's these days: - Fail to connect to wider sikh youths because may be going too over board providing guilt trips/political activism/sipahi aspect of sikhi. - Fail to provide basic layout frame work for sikh foundation- Ikgonkar (Sargun and Nirgun intertwine relationship) instead focusing protestant version of God and focusing entirely on maryada instead of striking a right balance - Fail to provide youths who are new to sikhi, something they can relate to their own personal (beautiful sikhi perception of body/mind/soul/consciousness/creation/relation), most of youths have already heard concept of protestant version of God in western countries/ or if they happen to go to catholic high school. Overall problem with Sikhi parchar failing to highlight/promote sikh spirituality leading youths to explore elsewhere- radhaswamis/nirankaris/christianity/islam- http://www.sikhsanga..._10#entry541621 Solutions/more improvements. - Instead of going over board providing guilt trips, just provide beautiful concept of keeping hair in relation to nature, science, distinctive feature and our history of great predecessors shahids/mahapursh/saints and leave it that- i m not suggesting downplay it but at the same time don't let topic surrounding maryada takes precedence over everything, whole camp experience, and move on crucial topics which they can relate to such as mind, body, soul, consciousness, sargun and nirgun. http://www.sikhsanga...on-amritdharis/ - Start Sikhi theological/spiritual foundation with mool mantar (and for sake of unity and more bani- keep it from ikongkar to nanak hosi bhi sach), explain the deep theology behind it- sargun and nirgun intertwin relationship. http://www.sikhsanga..._10#entry544841 http://www.sikhsanga...irgun-nirankar/ - Explain concept of body, mind, soul, control of senses, which every youth can relate to. Lot of youths confuse soul with mind: http://www.sikhsanga...ns-of-the-mind/ - In five day camp, put three day emphasis on spirituality in mixture with rehit maryada and 2 days on political activism. I think looking at sikhi camp states- correct ratio should be (65% spirituality - 35% political activism). Pure Raw anything is not good nor is easy to digest for human. Mix it just like how patsah were mixed in khanda batta da amrit..!! :D What you guys think?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20178792 2 November 2012 Last updated at 09:41 India anti-Sikh riots: Australia petition to call it genocide Nearly 3,000 Sikhs were killed after the assassination of then PM Indira Gandhi by her two Sikh bodyguards in October 1984 Continue reading the main story Related Stories India politician 'incited' riots Delhi 1984: Memories of a massacre In pictures: Massacre of the Sikhs A petition which seeks to recognise the 1984 anti-Sikh violence in India as "genocide" has been tabled in the Australian parliament. The petition was moved by MP Warren Enstch on Thursday. As long as the violence "continues to be referred to as 'anti-Sikh riots' there can be no closure for the Sikh community", he said in the petition. Nearly 3,000 Sikhs were killed after the assassination of then PM Indira Gandhi by her two Sikh bodyguards. The trigger for Mrs Gandhi's killing was the storming of the Golden Temple in Amritsar city four months earlier to flush out Sikh militants fighting for an independent homeland of Khalistan (Land of the Pure). The petition, submitted by Mr Enstch, has been signed by 4,453 people. It also called on the Australian government to urge India to take "all reasonable measures" to bring those responsible for the 1984 violence to justice. A recent government inquiry found "credible evidence" that some leaders of Mrs Gandhi's Congress Party had incited crowds to attack Sikhs during the riots and that they were not spontaneous. But 28 years after the riots, there have been no convictions in any of the cases.<p> More on This Story Related Stories India politician 'incited' riots 23 APRIL 2012, INDIA Delhi 1984: Memories of a massacre01 NOVEMBER 2009, SOUTH ASIA In pictures: Massacre of the Sikhs01 NOVEMBER 2009, SOUTH ASIA Rally for 1984 Sikh temple attack05 JUNE 2011, LONDON Shoe attack on Indian minister Watch 07 APRIL 2009, SOUTH ASIA From other news sites International Business Times UK Australia Seeks To Recognize 1984 Anti-Sikh Violence In India As 'Genocide' 2 hrs ago Deccan Herald Anti-Sikh riots: 'Genocide' petition tabled in Aus Parliament 7 hrs ago Hindustan Times Sikh 'genocide' petition tabled in Aus parliament 11 hrs ago Yahoo! UK and Ireland Call To Recognise Sikh Killings As 17 hrs ago Sky News Call To Recognise Sikh Killings As Genocide 26 hrs ago

alcohol is in all medicines. your body manufactures alcohol too. mouthwash is mouthwash.. its not nasha. we aint allowd to take any nasha that will take us away from god.. its not about alcohol.. its about nasha. and if u dont take alcohol in foods etc, dont eat processed foods... make your own atta. and pizza bases etc..

I don't know about the shaster etc. but for a fact there is much katha on the history of sachkand hazur sahib. Maharaja ranjit Singh built it pakka, before it was not. it is said we should all do Yatra there once in our lives ideally before 60. 60 cos in those day only could travel on foot or horse so older people could not go. Maharaja ranjit Singh himself went there on Yatra and when he saw gurdwara sahib commissioned the building work. Iam on my phone so can't type much.

Love this. Hope the Australian Sikhs are even more inspired to give back to Australia and become even better model citizens. Merely being heard is a beautiful thing. Thank you Australia and thank you MP Warren Enstch! MP Warren Enstch

Where do most of the countries around us get their energy from ? I can only heat my home because of gas that comes from a pipe just to north of Punjab (russia) all the way to England. I can only switch my lights on at home because of electricity generated in France by French companies. Looks like you have a very busy letter writing day ahead of you tomorrow. Not only are you going to be asking the United Nations to dismantle the dozen or so landlocked countries the same size as Punjab you#re also gonna ask for the destruction of 75% of the worlds nations that get their energy from elsewhere. So....lets recap.....so far, hsisingh, you've argued that 75% of the earth's nations must not and can not exist. So what of the remaining 25% ? Well.....you then go on to claim that the currency of a nation that can't feed its children or school its children, or even save the lives of its children (India) is the benchmark of al that is right. Strange logic indeed, clouded, no doubt, with an irrational and rather scary love of mother India, but....more importantly, you forget that pretty much every nation on earth had to start somewhere.....usually from nowhere. So...lets recap. Even of the 25% of the world's nations who's existence you didn't rubbish , only a couple fall within your very strict, and even more mental, criteria. Most notably India. Lets just all be thankfull that you haven't been around through the ages my friend. Had you been, its pretty clear that you would have found an excuse for no country to ever come about....ever. (except India of course) :biggrin2:

Provide proof please? I don't doubt this, but Hazur Sahib was built by Maharaja Ranjit Singh, so it was a bit prior to the British. Even if Sikhs were there since the Joti Jot of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, it doesn't negate my other point mentioned in the latter part of my post and this: How come nothing of this shastar is mentioned or showcased at the Akaal Takhat Sahib, Anandpur Sahib, Damdama Sahib or the small pind next to Damdama Sahib where the father/son's house is (the two Singhs who begged to be used as target practice for Guru Gobind Singh Ji's new rifle, but one of Guru Sahib's soldier had backed down). They have so many shastar of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, but nothing like the asthbhuja. Something similar to the asthbhuja (smaller) is seen on Nihang Singh dastaran in contemporary paintings, but nothing like this battlestandard. The Dhaal, Sri Sahib and katar are seen everywhere so the story of this being the battle standard I feel is most likely partly not true.

How can I NOT watch that film now that you've got me so intrigued about its contents! lol

You seem to have a very childlike knowledge of the situation hsisingh. The referendum is 2 years away. The support for independence is largest amongst the young. Alex Salmon has rather cleverly negotiated that 16 year olds will be allowed to vote. I was in Edinburgh not long ago and it was quite clear that there is something difference in the air from the last time I visited. You can actually feel the momentum growing there. As for your other points, before you write to the United Nations and ask them to destroy the 2 dozen or so other landlocked countries in the world around the same size as Punjab, you might need to stop thinking of Bombay and Calcutta and think more along the lines of Karachi, Iran, Turkey etc and understand that Punjab has more than just the one (Indian) option when it comes to trade routes and international relations.

But you need to remind yourself. Out of a thousand, here's just a couple of examples of how world politics sometimes work : International human rights awareness of the situation in India reaches such a level that US politicians realise that they will lose votes unless they criticise India Sikhs become so politicaly active in both Washington and London that think tanks advance the notion that the only way to prevent a world nuclear catastrophe that is likely with 2 nuclear powers at constant loggerheads with each other (India and Pakistan) continously having border disputes, is to have a neutral buffer state between them (Punjab) Ask anyone 5 years ago if there would be a brand new north Sudan nation and they would say impossible. Ask anyone 5 years ago if Belgium would break into 2 separate nations and they would say impossible. Ask them 1 year ago and they'd say it was very likely. Like I said, the winds of change. Only come once every 30 years or so. Each time that wind comes around a dozen new countries come into being around the world. Once the wind comes it is unstoppable and does not stop for any traditional reason. Once the wind comes the normal rules of politics mean nothing. What is true of the world today is not necessarily true tomorrow. We simply gotta ensure we're ready for it.

Thanks for the people who highlighted The Grey - saw it last week - was one of the best films I've seen recently. I think I'd put it in my top 5 best films ever? I also recommend another Liam Neeson film called 'Taken' - it's very pertinent to our community as it covers grooming and abuse of naive, vulnerable girls (even has a puppoo sardar at the beginning!) Saw Prometheus, which was the Alien 'prequel' which wasn't too bad. Saw a comedy called Thats my boy (Adam Sandler) which had me in stitches - but it is very adult (it's about a school boy who knocks up his teacher and gets her pregnant), so don't watch it if you mind that stuff.

43% of Scots want the Scottish Parliament to make all decisions even before the SNP have started their campagn. Considering The Tories and Labour win elections in the Uk with a vote of around 40% its pretty good start. There are plenty of landlocked countries that are doing well in world, so not sure why you are so pessimistic. Punjab was independent before and the British described it as one of the most powerful counties in Asia. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-19622617

Oh gosh totally forgot prabhjot Singh veer.. He should and must join spiritual and Gurmat front too.

How dare I forget my Mahabharat buddy - Kaljugi!

So basically this thread is to (1.) Find out and list our best contributors of this forum in terms of knowledge. As we see above, we have several intelligent folks on board. (2.) List out issues and thereby start different threads discussing each issue per thread. Everyone is free to post, but our level of expectation is highest from all the people mentioned above. And I repeat, (1.) The only condition is that the discussion is constructive, and so is the criticism. If you need to highlight a flaw, just highlight the flaw without resorting to getting personal. (2.) We hope to see more than a 3 line response, at the same time a really long post that beats around the bush would not help. More like a list of to the point and mature solutions that can be implemented towards resolving whatever issue(s) we discuss.

Normally i give topics like these a wide berth, but I feel sharing some thoughts today isn't a bad idea. Let me start by saying I don't believe Sikhs are part of what has come to be known as 'Hinduism' today. So if Niddar is of this opinion, I don't share it with him. That being said, I DO think that Niddar has (perhaps inadvertently?) highlighted some important things that many Sikhs seem to prefer to cowardly avoid facing. Regulars here know that I am quite interested in Sikh historiography and the effects of colonialism on Sikhs/Sikh thought, I've posted a few pieces/translations on this in the past. In this context what Niddar does (again perhaps unintentionally?) is to highlight the big difference in Sikh worldview prior to and after the infamous 'annexation' of the Panjab by the British. Anyone even remotely interested in the truth who has done a bit of research would be able to see that prior to annexation the Sikh worldview/cosmology (whatever you want to call it) appears to be more than a little different to that considered the 'orthodox' view today (represented by the Singh Sabha worldview - by this I mean the social reform movement not todays networks of Gurdwaray with the same name). It doesn't take a genius to trace the (admittedly subtle) influence of what we can call 'western enlightenment' type thought as well as protestant Christian on subsequent interpretations of Sikhi. My point is that prior to this respected Sikhs themselves seemed prone to interpret things with a more 'Indic' framework. You can clearly see this in all traditional Sikh works like Bhangu's Panth Prakash, Kavi Santokh's Suraj Granth etc. I sometimes perceive the situation with a pendulum analogy, where colonialism may have swung the pendulum to a western/protestant influenced high, and Niddar types are acting in a reactionary way to this and swinging the pendulum to the other 'Indic' extreme. As with most things, the real truth probably belongs somewhere in the middle of the two respective perspectives. I feel Sikhs acting like we have absolutely no connections to the beliefs which existed in Panjab prior to Sikhi are as guilty of misrepresentation as those who claim we are Hindus. What is most sad is that apnay can't see the clear opportunity for debate and learning in all this and turn Niddar (who has his faults) into some pantomime villain. If any apnay 'lose faith' over issues like this, I'd say they were pretty unintelligent or weak minded in the first place.

And possibly have this think tank group's voice be heard in all major platforms of our community. It naturally becomes the duty of elder generation who are currently heading small or big organizations to include the upcoming young generation in decision making process. For example, whatever sikhi based stuff happens in uk, this forum itself becomes the strong activist. this place always becoming the hub/platform for Sangat to gather/share information. Maybe we can contact with Sikh council uk or uk sikh fed to include sikhsangat think tank as new appointed youth members. Just some points I like to share. Add freed member who is amazing in gathering historical items.

i've listen to his koorh parchar and it's just laughable but you'd be surprised how many ppl will be influenced with what he says...why? Because he has the roop of a Gursikh. I met afew individuals that went to his talks in London at the Golden Temple exhibition...they left very confused and felt that clearly Sikhs are Hindu's. They presented his points to a Gursikh i know and he ripped each point of Niddars to shreads. Point being, he looks like an Amritdhari and new comers will beleive him, hence why it's vital correct parchar is done...to allow him to go unchallenged will be more dangerous in the long run. Things left unchallenged will bite you back in the long run.

Where Baba Sidharat Budha left off with Nirvana Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Sahib started off and completed. (Said by Sant Mani Singh Ji -UK) Waheguru!

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The 'gangsta' in the background looks like he's choking. lol Where you get that clip dude!!

and buy em from sikhistore

I have seen many cases of amritdhari being divorced. Number one reason amritdhari being divorced because they think can their other partner is some sort of maya test- its ought break their sikhi like shaudra(low caste) is ought to get pandit break his penances. But at the end it comes down to perception. If you cannot have bhog with your wife when other party gives clues then may be you shouldn't be in the gristhi jevani at the first place. One party living like behingum in gristhi jevan is big no, causes many issues. It's not recommended by mahapursh nor its recommended by senior gurmukhs. But the key issue is - spiritual life should intertwine with your social life but intertwine not replace, thats key difference here..guru maharaj gave us order to live life socially and be in gristh jeevan for that we are given social puratan granths like- prem sumarag granth etc etc. Prem Sumarag granth one of puratan and progressive granths- how to live life socially.singhs have to remember - for the most part- female having bhog with their husband..its more feeling of deep love towards their husband..singhs himself should not be attached with bhog (be nirlaip be still engage) as naturally we tend to be more kaami but singh should engage in bhog with their singhani to keep her happy so she does not feel frustrated inside. You could also look at your own self or perception very carefully and honestly with your bibek buddhi and test yourself, if your perception is based on western standards of bhog birthi (fullfilling your desires), without any question you are kaami you are slave of panj choor, but if your perception is sabh gobind hai sabh gobind hai and showing affection then its fine he/she comes under- "sabh gobind hai sabh gobind hai" then your mind is becoming part of higher dristhi kaun (perception) of sabh gobind hai..!!! So coming backing to the topic if you think using protection is evil that is being influenced by protestant sikhi (wrathful christian god waiting to wimp us like taliban with a stick) at the end of day it depends on perception- i think most of us have wrapped our head around rules so much that itself have became a roadblock and have back fired miserably- no point running away from your fears and shove them under carpet- one day it will revolt and come back out ugly and haunt you...these roadblocks could only be broken if one is honest with themselves and try to do inner khoj at the end one will find perception is everything in sikhi...I used to be like this when i first got into sikhi but finally got salvation from cultish/black and white mentality now by maharaj kirpa i see gurmat from eagle eye - full 360 degree view..maharaj bless with this amazing clear view of Gurmat from eagle eye, its a beautiful view worth living and die for over and over again until fully loosing yourself in Ik Ongkar..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He can go about whatever business he wants - dance like a mujra wali for Sonia Gandhi or worship at Indira's shrine. For me he has always been a Panthic outcaste and so I never give a hoot about his actions. His economic policies are somewhat laudible - for a country dogged by socialist day-dreams at its centre. Nothing outstanding on a world basis though. That's all I'd give him. Weak in voice, weak in body and weak in policy Manmohan "Singh."

He's a right tosser.

I see a lot of answers on here saying things like this but let me guess - 1) your not married, 2) your some next level mahapurkh Me and my wife are Amritdhari and I spoke to some very chardi kala Gursikhs before I got married last year and they all said contraceptives were fine. You need love and intimacy in a relationship and it brings you closer together. If you are not planning on starting a family straight away, then use contraceptives. It is not failproof but it is the safest way to be intimate without starting a family.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji said that a Sikh can only marryhis daughter to a Sikh, so think of all the marriages that have happened where a girl has married a "mona" if there ever was sucha athing in Sikhi, so if these families are going against Guru's hukam (ie today, the vast majority of the panth) what difference does it make if a non-sikh marries a Sikh? I know, i mean personally know, Sikhs who smoke and do drugs etc, who know NOTHING about Gurmat, who have had no problem getting married in gurdwaras, but a month ago, i was talking to a couple, girl was sikh, guy was a gora, but we refused to marriage in the gurdwara, because of Sri Akal Takht Sahib Sandesh, but inside i couldnt help feeling this was wrong, really wrong. If we were only doing anand karaj for amritdhari sikhs as per tradition, then fine, but we aren't. We bend the rules to suit our sikh-born relatives, but not non-sikh born people. You cant have it both ways, either only amritdharis get anand karj or everyone should be able to. Those sikhs in mixed marriages who are refused anand karaj, will they be more open to becoming Sikhs in the future, or those who are accpeted, wll they be more open to becoming Sikhs in the future? think about it.

Can the movie be released abroad in the meantime?

my first kiss went a little like this................ :fight:

It always start with the little compromise our people make and then after decades, our kids will be saying "Why the hell our kaum not progressing" Good to compromise but never ever compromise when it comes to our gurbani, scriptures and respect of Guru Granth Sahib. Change of Ardas - and this alone should be enough on not giving harinder free plane rides.

They had created a fake model of the Sri Harmandir Sahib complex in Dehradun where the army rehearsed the attack for some 7 months or so, maybe more. 42 other Gurdwara Sahibs were attacked as well, where there were no Jujharoo Singhs or firearms, only innocent Sikhs who were targeted. This question is put forward by several Indian apologists every now and then "Vy did bin-drun-vaale bring arms inside the complex?"..."Vy did bin-drun-vaale come and start residing there?"...Simple reason, as mentioned earlier, he wanted to stay there closer to Guru Sahib, weapons were brought because when you know your house is going to be attacked you don't wait, you prepare. Also, in Sikh history whenever a historic morcha is initiated, its always from Sri Akal Takht Sahib (correct me if I am wrong), and this is where the Dharam Yudh morcha was started from.

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