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I live in India now. In my experience the so called NGOs are the biggest chors! Followed by property agents. Hoping someone can give me an indication on the market in different areas. You can PM me if you don't want the secret info to "get out"

Non-Indian residents cannot buy agriculture land. Property dealers of India are the worst. Best way is to team up with india based NGO/Non-profit org for environmental projects

It seems like there's a culture of land-snatching amongst Panjabis. I might be wrong, and I'd like to hear alternative opinions, but I think anyone investing over there needs to grasp this. On top of the external forces, one highly educated guy I met here in the UK (who was from back home relatively recently i.e. in the last 10 years or so, said something that I think is very perceptive): In a conversation with someone else about land/property back home, who was talking about governmental and mafia grabs (often co-related), he said, before even that, your own family will try and grab the land. I think people shouldn't presume any level of security there. Family muscle and contacts seem to play a big part in this.

Thanks for replying. It just so happens that Hoshiarpur is actually the only one area that I know about. There's a land mafia in Hoshiarpur. The whole forest area of the Shivlaik range (the cheap land) is occupied government land (illegal kabja). If you got political connections, you may be able to illegally buy it. The great grandson of kushwant Singh has 1200 acres there (he boasted to me as to how he obtained it illegally). It’s also unsafe. Some years ago, when scouting for land, I got confronted by an armed mob trying to Lynch me for straying into their village. I held them off long enough until the authorities arrived. I was warned never to step into the area again as there’s significant significant mafia presence there. Any other parts of Punjab? Which border areas do you mean? Are there any proper forests and flowing streams left in the plains? If someone were to ask me about the UK, I could give them a detailed summary on where to find what kind of land and at what price. Hobby farm? Woodland? Coast? Hills? Equestrian? River? Dark sky? A bit of all? I can get you sorted. Can a local friend please help me likewise for the same in Punjab? Magic bricks and the like are mostly fraud and speculative sales. It's not helpful for land research. I lived in South India for some time and it's very professional there. I asked for river and waterfall at a low price and they took me to several beautiful sites. People were kind and polite and didn't discriminate (I'm a Bana wearing shastardari and don't speak their language).

Hoshiarpur 4 lakh to 10 lakh

Just go on magicbricks. Hoshiarpur and the border areas are the cheapest.

How much per acre and where is the CHEAPEST agricultural/forest land in Punjab today (to buy for tree planting/nature protection project)? General areas and ballpark prices will be helpful so that I can narrow the search. Ps. If someone knows any non-selfish property dealer, please PM me their details

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Was wondering about the different style of this women's bow compared to the shorter Turkish chachi ones discussed earlier. It seems to be a different style - very likely Mongolian?

Am travelling from the UK to US/Canada by cruise liner (ship) to New York and then Amtrack (train) to Toronto, Canada Either November 19 or (more likely) December 15. I have to pay for 2 people even if travelling alone so it makes sense to share. If you want to travel with me please would you urgently message me. Benefit is keeping kirpan and 5 star luxury travel for the same cost as a direct flight. If you cannot afford to split the cost, you can travel with me for free and have a holiday. You can get off in the US or continue on to Canada or elsewhere. I am a Sikh maintaining rehit, nitnem etc. Please pm urgently.

Ask parchaariks. Basics of sikhi guys or other camps they will be calling lecturers from uk so ask. On facebook find camp west coast, they have a camp in december so they will appreciate if u could bring their parchaariks from uk to usa. Also contact parchaariks like bhai sukha singh uk or bhai navreet singh uk or baljit singh BoS. They might be going for 'tours' and ur seva will be appreciated

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh I'm sorry if this is a repeat thread, but I couldn't find any conclusive information elsewhere. I'm looking to acquire genuine puratan shastar in India, the likes of 2-3' shamsheer, tegha, khanda, chakra etc. This won't be for a private collection, not would it be sold on for a profit. What are they likely to cost? Sikhs did also use European made/style cavalry sabres, which are readily available as antiques in the UK etc. These can be easily distinguished by use of carbon steel, a western style hilt and issue markings on the blade. Is it possible to find such antiques in India- many thousands would have been in active service in the 19th century? I'm also looking for good Sarbloh wale to copy/reproduce puratan artefacts. Any contacts for humble and rehitwale sikhs would be most appreciated. Address/personal introduction preferred as daas does not have a telephone.

You speak truth my friend. Would you recommend Windlass, something like their Light Cavalry Sabre? I really am looking for handmade sarbloh.

but it's not all about strength , it's foresight, reading the situation, quick reactions , speed and agility too , she may fight smarter not necessarily harder ... anyhow needs to be on top form spiritually, mentally and physically . the muscular gap is about 30% , but lower centre of gravity than a taller guy may help her and her natural lower level brings her closer to soft targets e.g. abdomen , underside of chin, throat, under ribcage .(can imagine katar on her fist could eviscerate quickly)

don't you mean to ensure safeguarding of species until they are able ?

You have slandered the King of Kings, Guru Gobind Singh Ji. ਗਉੜੀ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ:(ਮ: ੪) is full of description what awaits a slanderer of the True Guru. You are going to hell: ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ ੪ ॥ ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਸੁ ਅਉਖਾ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਹੋਇਆ ॥ One who slanders the Perfect True Guru, shall have difficulty in this world. 14148 ਗਉੜੀ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ:੧ (ਮ: ੪) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੯ ਪੰ. ੧੦ ਨਰਕ ਘੋਰੁ ਦੁਖ ਖੂਹੁ ਹੈ ਓਥੈ ਪਕੜਿ ਓਹੁ ਢੋਇਆ ॥ He is caught and thrown into the most horrible hell, the well of pain and suffering. ਕੂਕ ਪੁਕਾਰ ਕੋ ਨ ਸੁਣੇ ਓਹੁ ਅਉਖਾ ਹੋਇ ਹੋਇ ਰੋਇਆ ॥ No one listens to his shrieks and cries; he cries out in pain and misery. ਓਨਿ ਹਲਤੁ ਪਲਤੁ ਸਭੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ਲਾਹਾ ਮੂਲੁ ਸਭੁ ਖੋਇਆ ॥ He totally loses this world and the next; he has lost all of his investment and profit. ਓਹੁ ਤੇਲੀ ਸੰਦਾ ਬਲਦੁ ਕਰਿ ਨਿਤ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਜੋਇਆ ॥ He is like the ox at the oil-press; each morning when he rises, God places the yoke upon him.

Don't be naive, friend, he has no sources. He made it up out of whole cloth. Next he'll say Guru Gobind Singh Ji was a white Englishman who deigned to teach religion to Punjabis as a part of the White Man's Burden. Actually, I think someone was listening to I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar while hallucinating on LSD, and started babbling about the "real story of Baisakhi". weareallone, listening to such babbling, then transcribed it into his post.

What are your sources? Am I supposed to believe you at face value? My guru told me to ask for your evidence. If you do not believe me ask him yourself.

Yes this seems to be the general consensus unfortunately, although one Nihang Singh has promised to find something for me. Any contacts for Sarbloh wale please? I'd like to get some good copies/reproductions made of Guru's puratan shastar and artefacts that are on display.

As opposed to the non-existent evidence for the history as presently taught by the Indians? You're having a laugh aren't you? To understand the situation of women at that time, just look at Afghanistan today. It is a fact that there were almost no women on the hill. Even the official painting of vaisakhi currently hanging in Bangla Sahib shows only men in the crowd. It is a fact that women were initiated alongside men, were present in subsequent panj piare and were great warriors, wearing unisex clothing. I need not provide any sources, these are known facts. As to the fact of the young woman who stood up first, this history has been passed down orally and can be sought from the Guru directly. If you are a Sikh, then by all means talk to the Guru and ask for confirmation. If you are not a Sikh you cannot talk to the Guru and are not eligible for challenging me here.

Based on what? Is there any evidence to what you are asserting?

The backward Indian sardars and sadly many of their foreign born diaspora have deeply rooted cultural baggage which includes patriarchy and treating women as chattel; only worthy for warming beds, cooking, cleaning, raising children etc. This isn't just an Indian thing (South Indians are completely different), nor is it a North Indian thing; somehow the sardars are amongst the most extreme: female child genocide amongst this group is the highest in India considering the high level of literacy. Alternative facts to challenge your small minds: On vaisakhi day 1699, hardly any women were to be seen in the open, for they were barred from walking in public. Of those handful of women, young or old who made it to the hill in amongst thousands of men, all stood up when the Guru called for heads. One old woman was pulled down by her family- they said she had gone mad. A young woman called Shanti Devi was jeered at by men as she made her way to the front; in crude and abusive language they asked for what purpose was she going into a tent with a youthful man? Later on she was raped and burnt alive by her family members for the crime of dishonouring the family. Guru Gobind Singh saw all but could not intervene as if 5 women entered his tent, he would forever be known in Sardar history as a womaniser. Eventually Daya Ram stood up. Women were however immediately initiated into the Khalsa alongside men and panj piare thereon always had from 2-5 women in them. These facts have been suppressed. Another fun fact: Women are stronger and braver than men. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

There are some techniques to actual simran, one's life needs to be attune to the Guru and one needs to understand the inherent value of simran which comes through the Guru. These three things must happen simultaneously. Some jatha walas worship their founder leaders on the basis of ridhi-sidhi. They claim that these things are testament to the fact that their chap (yes, invariably a man) has done everything right so copy his one low life and forget about the Guru's 10 pure lives. One such greatly worshipped man (now deceased) taught his followers that until and unless they experience this great powers, they aren't doing it right. Sadly he was mistaken: These ridha-sidha are entirely irrelevant. Your mind being washed of its filth is a prize, power and award that only the greatest bhagti can get, for even the ridhi-sidhi so called mahapurakh hasn't been able to conquer his own houmai. Going from being conceited and angry to seeing God in all directions is the Guru's true gift. This is the most basic of truths that the Guru tells. Do a true ardaas and the Guru will oblige. waheguru ki ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

apart from being rude can you please finally answer the question WHAT ABOUT MAI BHAGO JI? do you deny Dasmesh Pita ji gave her khande di pahul? do you also deny he tied a dastaar on her head? do you deny purataan sakian associated with her? Are you denying the itihaas that says there were female combatants on the battlefields , spies and messengers ? Do you deny the itihaas of women's heads being cut to pass off as sikh teens for a price? (thus they had to be wearing jodey on dasam duar at least) do you denounce the goodness and Honour of all the Bibian such as Harsharan Kaur ji, Mai Bhago ji, Mai Sevan ji, Mata Kaulan ji, The singhnian who were presented to Begums of mughal officials , who were described as being muscular, dressed like men , in armourplate , carrying arms ???

You know it feels like Sikhs are becoming more n more hard lined that we would've even called out Bhai ghanniya ji for doing what he did It takes a lot of guts to be the only Singh in a crowd, to stand up and to call out the wrong I admire this Singh for doing what he did

Same bodyguards as Mr Dhadriwal, who also appeared on the scene as a youth. Family business perhaps?

I guess I should ease up on the negativity, lol. I believe in Waheguru, and through Him anything is possible. If this child will help people in any way then that's great.

I've got nothing personal against the child. I hope he makes me eat my words; I would love that. What's easy to forget is that many embark upon this path with noble intentions, with a genuine love and affection for God, but the people they meet along the way are not cut from a similar cloth; some of these people are family members. It takes an incredibly strong person to remain steadfast in the face of temptation and clamouring voices to remain on the path. Good luck to the little Baba. May Waheguru spare him from vultures and devils.

But it won't end there, will it, Sister? We've seen it time and time again, so much so that I wonder whether we are actually capable of learning from the past. I hope you're right, I honestly do, but experience tells me situations like these are based on thing and one thing only: money. I'll tell you how it'll go: the youngster will gradually build up a profile amongst sangat in Punjab and wherever there's a demand for his parchaar in India. There'll be diwaans, smaagams, etc, headlined by this individual. Eventually, the real money spinner will come knocking; the overseas diwaan. Then you'll have the UK, US, and Canadian sangats climbing over each other to get a piece of this prodigious talent. The money will start pouring in; he'll be shepherded from airports to Guru ghars to the home of wealthy Gursikhs in fantastically expensive vehicles like a rock star on tour. He'll open a production line where he'll demand people take Amrit (which is of course not a problem), but nary will there be a mention of introspection, self-improvement, studying scriptures, tolerance, understanding, and friendship. Just churn out the Singh's and Singhnis; job done! His enablers and chele (and there'll be many) will weave legends about his growing shakti, and some will most likely begin to whisper he's an incarnation of a famous Sikh personality from yesteryear. And the myth will continue to be fed by the gullibility and foolishness of us all. Who knew Sikhs would swap the idols of clay or stone for idols of flesh and blood? And it hasn't even 500 years since the creation of the Khalsa.