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I was at the Slough Singh Sabha gurdwara last week. I think he was a teen, a tall young Singh got a deep gash wound on his arm from gatka, somewhere near his wrist. He was already on the floor when I entered through the langar hall, but I am sure he did it to himself not through a gatka "battle". I am unsure which shastar he used. I checked and the shastars seemed lightweight for the children. I picked up the khanda and it was light, not like a real khanda. I really want to emphasise that we should not be promoting twirly sword dancing as a "sikh martial art". This young Singh was hurting and gasping - why are we teaching twirling swords around in a way that may hurt oneself?? Promote shastarvidiya savai raksha and other martial arts which are about causing damage to the enemy. Why are we teaching this style of twirly gatka that's detrimental/harmful to ourselves and our allies? A twirly sword might hurt an ally in a battle, and doesn't allow allied warriors good movement around the sword twirler. This also reminds me during the summer, they were teaching some move to kids where you do some spins with the feet and then do a backwards bhangra type jump. I wasn't sure if this was a martial art or bhangra being taught?! Also at another gurdwara in another city/town in the midlands, the year before at a kids sikh club a guest gatka teacher was teaching basics to little kids by making then practice making infinity symbols with the gatka sticks!!! If we are showing off something ineffective and also harmful to the practitioner and allied warriors, then it's nothing to be proud off! If we are going to show our puraatan shastars off, we need to do it in a respectable manner not in this archaic colonial gatka era! The teaching is just as embarrassing as the last 2 decades and I don't understand why we want to promote it as a sikh martial art, to the sangat and to outsiders? the injuries are just not worth it for learning this modern gatka! "Preserve Shastar Vidiya any way you can."(Rattan Singh Bhangu, Siri Guru Panth Parkash, ed. Dr Balwant Singh Dhillon, 36)

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After they’ve turned out on the Muslims they will turn on us as well.

Good point. In fact, in the old days, there simply were not enough birs of Gur Granth Sahib ji to go around. So prakash of shasters was done in some Gurdwaras. You can matha tek to a Gutka Sahib, too.

When you are at home, you can do ardas in front of sastar as well.

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Been so much nindya and attacking Shastarvidiya since the 2000s, however if we look at gatka now it's still mostly as poor and poorly taught as it was back then, still morris dancing moves and still behzti moves in BBC shows about sikhi and vaisakhi. If people were going to attack shastarvidiya, wouldn't have made sense to improve gatka instead and make it more effective? Additionally, the Nihang Singh presence has improved greatly now, and the cracks within the the SGPC and affiliated jatha jathebandis are showing more greatly as panth becomes more knowledgable with dasam bani and itihas day-by-day, so much gyaan which was lost within panjabi sikhs during colonial times. In the 2000s, the groups were able to talk down this bani and gyaan by associating it with RSS and hindus, brahminwaad etc. Not working so well now is it? However with gyaan it would be also good for us to try and preserve our martial arts and keertan vidiya as well! More and more crazy keertan videos are coming out from jatha members that are being made fun of and making sangat annoyed and upset, on tiktok and instagram reels.

Author Posted April 24 On 4/21/2025 at 2:43 PM, ipledgeblue said: sirr should not be nanga because keski is usually worn. Sikhs can sleep nanga-sirr if they choose to . Being from Punjab, almost every Sardaarji i know (amritdhari or not) sleeps/showers with their hair uncovered. I don't think Guru Sahib asked us to wear Dastar to sleep and I don't think it is in SRM. The idea of "keski being worn to sleep" is cos in Bollywood films (Bachna Ae Haseeno) Sikh characters usually tie a gol parna when sleeping since the actor's usually Hindu. So they gotta cover his head somehow or he'd have cut hair. Same reason Diljit wore a pagg to bed in the El Sueno vid. Only time they didn't do that was in Gadar with Sunny Deol which just looked odd tbh What in the world? What sikh or even a decent human would base their knowledge of their culture or religion on a movie industry, that too Bollywood? Believe me, no sikh ever said, I must cover my head becasue an actor did so in a movie. I've been doing it all wrong, I must start covering mh head because the sikh in that movie did. Just because every panjabi and sardaar you know, does something, also doesn't make it right.. Follow the guru. And if you have a medical condition, then exemptions can be made. Just admit it, because of my medical condition, I am not able to follow this rehit. Why are you getting everyone else to drop to your level?

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You ARE nothing lol. I know I'd give you a slap if you name a time and place. Come to Valentines Park in Ilford, prove to me you really fought 8 men with knives all on your own like you claim to have done. Sick of you little keyboard warriors acting like fighters, come and show me lol. Flippin w@nker you probably got this forum running on one tab and pornhub running in the next lol. When you're done nutting over ur own sister come and fight me in person mai tenu ik minute vich teekh karaanga saaleyo

Open a book and see where the rise of ramgarhia Sabha started and it didn't just appear the the 60s..

yhh that's cos we keep men and women separate to make women feel comfortable here in the West. In India nobody would dare to do anything "pervy" cos they would probably get beaten to death but over here we can't do anything except kick them out lol so best measure is to keep them separate

Ramgarhia Gurdwara disrespected Sikhi from their name alone. What happened was apparently Jatts used to take over the Gurdwara committees back in the 60s so Tarkhans went and opened their own Gurdware called "Ramgarhia" to deter us from going to their Committees and even from doing Darshan in those Gurdware. In some you actually have to be Tarkhan to join the committee, it's disgusting. They always use the excuse "Ramgarhia isn't a caste, it's to honour "Jassa Singh Ramgarhia". Lies lol they know what they're doing and even got the cheek to put in writing "committee seva... must be from a Ramgarhia Sikh family". It's nothing to do with "Ramgarhia Misl" it's just to keep Jatts out so Tarkhans can have their own Gurdware. Forget "langar maryada" - the langar is to show equality and hospitality for all regardless of background/caste and they failed step one

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If someone's getting attacked that many times, I gotta say, I'm starting to think the problem might be with that guy. What's the problem, niddar nang doesn't teach descalation?

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Same here. I just visited Patna Sahib. Seen all 5 Takhats.

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There is a new podcast out by Nidar Singh Nihang and the ranveer show who has over 1.6 million follower's on Instagram YouTube link is below https://youtu.be/xo1OLk8dpko?si=Fy0w_n6s2510baQz

Speak for yourself .. You know nothing about furrr or how to draw shastar fast. Otherwise you wouldn't have said By the time u draw the sword that guy's got you on the floor probably searching your Kacherra for coins lol I've had over 14 street fights against Knives and broken bottles and multiple people. So speak for yourself....

1) Guru Granth Sahib with 5,894 hymns. (Note this Granth was given Guruship). It has 1430 pages. Granths by Guru Gobind Singh :- 2) Dasam Granth with 17,293 verses in 1428 pages. 3) Sarbloh Granth in 4,361 stanzas 862 pages in print. There are number of other works by various poets like Suraj Parkash, Bhai Gurdas and Nand Lal.

Ridiculous. Just chuck your history away because it's not gurbani. What a joker.. typical modern day Sikh. "Sikhism" If it wasn't for rattan Singh bhangu how would you even know of your itias? Someone like you just came out of thin air.

Shastar vidiya . The basis of the unarmed is foundation for the armed combat. There can be a point where u can't get to your weapons. What will you do? Of course the khalsa had unrmed skills. If your sword or weapons broke. What would you do? Grappling etc. wrestling etc. Unarmed combat is known as "platha"

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There is an app " sanatan shastar vidiya". Download it . You can see how different it is to gatka. Jhatka di vidiya and khed . Two different things.

Yes . There is a huge difference. Between gatka and the true vidiya of yudh vidiya. I'll say this again. Last twenty years various people have claimed there are other teachers of shastar vidiya...however who has come forward ? No one. Not one single Singh. Since day one it's only been Nidar Singh Nihang who teaches and posses the bhujangi vidiya of the khalsa. Who else has come forward to say they posses the vidiya ..no one.

Bro, as stated above, you can do whatever you want. No one is snatching your starched turban, 2 weeks old, from your head. But what you want is for Guru's Singhs to call your turban in accordance with rehit. That's not going to happen. Also, why can't you simply tie your starched turban fresh every day? (Genuine question)

Bro, there's nothing wrong with adding starch to your clothes to enhance their ability to "stand". The objection is not to the starch. The objection is to taking it off in one swoop and putting it back on, like a hat. "Like a hat" doesn't mean throwing it on the ground. Do Englishmen throw their hats on the ground? "Like a hat" means taking it off and putting it on a shelf. Don't pretend to be naive, bro. The rehit, as stated by Bhai Nand Lal ji, is "paag chunaai kar bandai", that is, tie the turban section by section. No one is forcing you to do anything, but please don't pretend you're following the original rehit of Guru Maharaj.

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and the gatka akharas haven't improved. I saw stuff on BBC and it was embarrassing. Still teaching bhangra moves, morris dancing and I came across an infinity symbol stick move taught as a beginner move??!!

Akaaal!

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13 years later from this post.. No one else has come forward and say with their chest..... They also know full Jungi vidiya. Absolutely no one

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The Ardas is more powerful when done at Gurdwara. However Waheguru is everywhere (Nirgun).

process is to find a vichola and then the vichola talks between your family and theirs. The process should be similar to how rishta is done in India side!

Umm, that's totally irrational, bro. There are plenty of prakash-dara Singhs in Punjab (less than we'd like, but still plenty). No one cares that you are sabat soorat. It isn't 1986. You can walk around in chola, kurta-pajama, or jeans. Whatever. If you want the look @dallysingh101 is referring to, just go into a cheap clothing shop (not a Western-style mall) and buy some shirts for 250 rupees or a track suit for 2000 rupees. You'll get the cheap stuff made in some sweatshop in Bombay.

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This is why people used to get married earlier in puratan times. Think about it, nowadays you legit have to be brahmacharya at ages when you're supposed to be married and producing children, which historically speaking, is unprecedented outside of the Sants in Indic tradition.

Try this?

A Pugh is a Pugh.. end of.

If without mava/starch, then tie it daily and change it regularly. I know many of my wider family who do this. Some choose to starch and may not change it as frequently. If your skill at folding is good, you will not need to iron it.

All i have to say is Niddar Singh is awesome, but his views are miles away from True Sikhi, like learning from a Monk, you go there for the War Art not the Philosophy

I was taught to tie my turban by my great-uncle who was from Kenya and as such I have a 'kenyan' style starched turban. Anyhoo, I was recently told by an Amritdhari that he could tell that I was 'Ramgharia' from my turban. For me, I couldn't believe that he actually made that distinction and he was amritdhari. It didn't matter that he was kinda correct - we go to a Ramgharia Gurdwara, but for me that's the closest Gurdwara and that Ramgharia is merely a name.

kartarpuri bir is the first bir, compiled by guru arjun dev ji (bhai gurdas ji wrote it). this the origional bir of the sikhs. guru sahib wrote it, so in case if he wasnt there to guide his sikhs, he could still talk, through SGGS. well you tell me ji, why isnt it important? reason why it is ji, like i said above, its the first ever bir. some say, that seeing the origional texts of the bible and the tohrah (jewish granths) were destroyed by the romans, is it not obvious some of the words have been altered? the kartarpuri bir is the word for word what guru sahib was telling bhai gurdas ji. no-one can alter the word because the kartarpuri bir can be looked up for reference. people made copies of SGGS, but origionally, they looked it up at the kartarpuri bir. every bir you see in the world was once copied from another bir, which was copied from another bir, which was copied from another bir, which was copied from another bir etc, this ultimatly leads to all the birs in the world having their word copying the actual word from the kartarpuri bir and (or) damdama bir. < br>every bir you come across in the world before guru gobind singh ji added more shabads to the kartarpuri bir is somehow linked to the kartaripuri bir. and every bir you see (at the gurdwara or at home) is linked, some how in some way to the damdama bir. when guru hargobind ji left amritsar for kiratpur sahib (i think), he took the bir with him, dhirmal (his grandson) stole it, just to prove he was the next living guru. but he wasnt. the sodhis tried to kill guru tegh bahadur sahib ji, one of his devote followers, makhan shah went after him, i think he plundered some of his stuff, including the kartarpuri bir, which he presented to guru sahib ji. guru ji ordered makhan shah to return the belongings to dhirmal and co. he declined to having the kartarpuri bir seeing that there were enough copies of the bir. now, perhaps someone can fill me in on how maharaja ranjit singh came to posses kartarpuri bir. he used to take a hukamnama from it everyday. i think the sodhis agreed to give him the bir, on a sum of cash (i think), but i am a fool, perhaps someone else learned on this site can fill me here ji. anyway, when the british came to punjab, they took all of the maharaja's belongings. the kartarpuri bir was handed to the indian government. in which, the sodhis decided to get back and took this matter to court. therefore, the indian court declared the sodhis were the rightful owners of the kartarpuri bir, seeing that the guru said to makhan shah to return it. thats what i think ji bhol chukke muaff das