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[singh_khalsa]

the bhagats in guru granth sahib followed neither hindhuism or islam, they were one with god.

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

There have been many people who have tried to cast doubt about what are referred to as "Bhagat Bani". One thing must be kept in mind. Guru Arjun Sahib Ji recited the Adi Granth Sahib from memory to Bhai Gurdas Sahib and Guru Gobind Singh Ji did so to Bhai Mani Singh Ji as well. They did not sit there reading the Bhagat Bani from pothis and tell Bhai Gurdas Sahib and Bhai Mani Singh Ji to copy the text. Therefore, the Bani uttered was indeed Dhur Ki Bani and IS the recitation of the Gurus. However, the Gurbani was origionally uttered by the Bhagats, so the Gurus did corectly credit them with it. However, it IS Gurbani and no difference should be seen.

[ajeetu]

all of sri guru granth sahib ji is the word of guru nanak dev ji .. and jot of guru nanak dev ji that was past through the next 4 gurus and also our 9th guru.

this is something i never understood really...if jot means light or soul, then at what point did guru nanak's jot pass from him to guru angad...when he made guru angad his successor or at his death

if it was when he made guru angad his successor, then what happened to guru angad's jot, and if it happened at his death, then that would mean that his soul did not "join" with vahegurus. this is supposed to be the ultimate destination for the righteous, so how as sikhs could one say that guru nanak was not the most righteous of humans

and if jot is not the same thing as soul, then what is the difference, and do normal people have jots

yes there are controversies with the other granths, but NEVER sri guru granth sahib ji .. it has everything and anything we need to know about life.. and about chaurai lakh jhoon .. it is written in bani .. and it is true ..

i dont understand what you mean by other granths, do you mean the dasam granth, or are there others

and yes churassi lakh jhoon is written in bani but so is svareg and narek (heaven or paradise, and hell)

what about the DHARAM KHAND, GYAAN KHAND,

SHARAM KHAND, KARAM KHAND AND SACH KHAND

who is there that has any proof that these are to be taken metaphorically as states to be experienced by the mind, and not what is to be experienced by the soul as is expressed in the japji sahib

[singh_khalsa]

There is only one guru, this is a form of waheguru. guru ji is waheguru!

the soul of angad became one with the guru (so he was the satguru), just as candles are lighted from one match. It's obvious that there are 10 gurus in human form, but the guru inside them were the same. Now the guru jot is in sri guru granth sahib which is in guru nanak dev ji and the the following gurus. Easy way of understanding this is by remembering the candle example, this example was written by guru gobind singh ji.

guru hai bani

guru hai govind

[ajeetu]

There is only one guru, this is a form of waheguru. guru ji is waheguru!

what about "guru" angad , who said something to the effect that "let the tongue burn who says vaheguru was ever incarnated"

and if this were true, then why dont we pray to the gurus. or the the guru granth sahib?

[Gupt daasan daas]

gurus had one joth

guru angad dev jes merged one into guru nanak dev jes joth

it became one wigth guru nanak dev je

thus being no different than gur nanak dev je himself

and vaheguru never comes into the cycle of avataars and deaths, people get confused, this means he never comes into the cycle of reincarnation

he can assume any form he wishes and come here

but he never has, will enter the cycle of reincarnation

bhula chuka maf

[Kharkoo4Life]

this is something i never understood really...if jot means light or soul, then at what point did guru nanak's jot pass from him to guru angad...when he made guru angad his successor or at his death

if it was when he made guru angad his successor, then what happened to guru angad's jot, and if it happened at his death, then that would mean that his soul did not "join" with vahegurus. this is supposed to be the ultimate destination for the righteous, so how as sikhs could one say that guru nanak was not the most righteous of humans

and if jot is not the same thing as soul, then what is the difference, and do normal people have jots

You have raised some excellent questions in your posts. I shall try to answer them as best as possible.

We often hear everyone saying that there was one 'jot' in all the gurus. But what does this actually mean? Most would agree that jot= light, which is a euphemism for Divine Light within each of us, i.e. our soul. But if every person has souls how can two people have the same soul? In order to answer this, we have to understand what actually is that entity we refer as soul? The answer to this, as with any question, can be found in very opening pages of Guru Granth Sahib in the bani of Jap Ji sahib.

There is One, who is the Supreme Creator and He permeates in every drop of His Creation. (Ik Onkaar, Kurta Purakh). It is His presence within us which is our actual soul, or the Jot within us. Taken in another analogy, our soul is merely a single ray of light, amongst countless rays all emanating from One source, the sun (God). Now if someone were to ask you to separate one ray of sunlight from another, lock it up in a jar isolated from the rest of the sunlight obviously it is impossible. Similarly, the jot within each of us, are all connected to its source, Waheguru, and cannot be separated from Him. But it is a weakness of human nature that all our perception and understanding of things is based on physical parameters. We believe, or comprehend only what we can see, hear, or feel with our limited human senses. It is because of this primitive thinking that we come under the false impression that our souls, are all neatly divided up and packed separately in separate human bodies, each distinct and isolated from the rest. But the Guru tells us that is not so. The truth is that we all belong to one SuperSoul, God, and are thus are all part of that One, we jus fail to realize it. That is why, when using the example of husband and wife (to personify our union with God) the Guru stated the following:

Dn ipru eyih n AwKIAin bhin iekTy hoie ]

They are not said to be husband and wife, who merely sit together.

eyk joiq duie mUrqI Dn ipru khIAY soie ]3]

They alone are called husband and wife, who have one light in two bodies.

It is not our bodies which become one, but our soul, ie. our thinking, our actions, our habits, our beliefs. Anything in the physical realm can never become one. Matter cannot be merged, sure it can be mixed and put together but the molecular, atomic structure within it is still distinct and separate even if we cannot see it. But our souls do not fall under the restraints of physicality. Our souls, like the Formless, Immortal Lord ( akaal moorat) are without any structure or form.

That is why when we come to the topic of the Gurus, we become confused as to how cud they be one, yet have different bodies. Cuz it was not their bodies which merged but their souls.

joiq Ehw jugiq swie sih kwieAw Pyir pltIAY ]

They shared the One Light and the same way; the King just changed His body.

And how did this merging of the souls come about? Thru the gyaan, or knowledge obtained thru the shabad guru. By the teachings, gyaan, imparted upon each successive individual mind by the preceding they came to the realization that the Divine Light vibrating within them the same. It was the One God who resided within each of them, regardless how different their outward physical appearance was. This process was started with Guru Nanak, after becoming enlightend and aware of this One God residing in all that he passed on this knowledge to Bhai Lehna.

nwnik rwju clwieAw scu kotu sqwxI nIv dY ]

Nanak established the kingdom; He built the true fortress on the strongest foundations.

lhxy DirEnu Cqu isir kir isPqI AMimRqu pIvdY ]

He installed the royal canopy over Lehna's head; chanting the Lord's Praises, He drank in the Ambrosial Nectar.

miq gur Awqm dyv dI KVig joir prwkuie jIA dY ]

The Guru implanted the almighty sword of the Teachings to illuminate his soul

It was after gaining this knowledge and understanding, after coming to this realization that Bhai Lehna became Guru Angad. This is the point that their jots became one. It doesn’t mean that the jot passed thru Guru Nanak’s body like some spirit or special force and entered Guru Angad. Rather it was a mental realization, the spiritual state where the person became fully aware of Gods presence all around them, and within them, and thus became “one with Him”, and in doing so became one with the preivous guru for they were one with God already.

nwnku kwieAw pltu kir mil qKqu bYTw sY fwlI ]

Nanak merely changed his body; He still sits on the throne, with hundreds of branches reaching out.

It was this spiritual enlightenment, which is contained in the shabad guru, gurbani, which came to vibrate in the minds of the disciple and hence the disciple had the same enlightenment as the previous guru and there was no difference between them anymore. And this process continued on with every successive Guru.

nwnku qU lhxw qUhY guru Amru qU vIcwirAw ]

You are Nanak, You are Angad, and You are Amar Daas; so do I recognize You.

The Sikhs of that time fully understood this concept, and that is why this tukh of theirs was included in Guru Granth Sahib. Unfortunately, because many of us lack the proper and indepth knowledge and understanding of gurbani that we get confused and fail to realize these concepts. But that is why the Guru blessed with the gift of Shabad, to help answer these questions so that we too, by the grace of Waheguru, can come to the same realization and understanding that the Gurus themselves came too.