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This is a debate im having with a muslim and he says that the guru granth sahib is not tru and that guru arjen dev ji was a rebelion im SINGH just read this thingy

http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67108&page=3&pp=20

some of u can help by signing up and tlaking to the guy

im only 13 and this guys getting on my nerves

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Even if you manage to convince him, some new character will pop up after a few days and say the same things as he said. Then you will be busy fighting against him.

This is what the bible says in Genesis 16:12 about Ishmael and his descendents, the progenitor of all muslims

And he shall be as a wild donkey among men; his hand'shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he will live in hostility towards all his brethren.
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This is a debate im having with a muslim and he says that the guru granth sahib is not tru and that guru arjen dev ji was a rebelion im SINGH just read this thingy

http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67108&page=3&pp=20

some of u can help by signing up and tlaking to the guy

im only 13 and this guys getting on my nerves

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no probs REMEMBER KABIR JI:

"MILAI ASANT MAST KAR RAHIYE" wacko.gif

(if u face any non religious or mischiveous guys dont take care of them so much)

dont think too much

love ur sikhi and respect all religions

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WJKK WJKF

Sorry, forget what I said above, I was just being childish.

Ask them calmly, and break the argument down.

Ask them why do they think Guru Ji is fake, and why do they think Guru Arjan Dev Ji?

Remember stay calm, they just want trouble. Once you’ve argued the truth, leave them to argue amongst themselves.

Peace Bro :)

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This is a debate im having with a muslim and he says that the guru granth sahib is not tru and that guru arjen dev ji was a rebelion im SINGH just read this thingy

http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67108&page=3&pp=20

some of u can help by signing up and tlaking to the guy

im only 13 and this guys getting on my nerves

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Just tell him Mohammed was a kiddy fidler, married a 6yr old and conducted intercourse at 12 - thats erm.. Kiddy Fidling?

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Just be careful you dont fall into the trap Bhagat Kabeer Jee has outlined below...

byd kqyb khhu mq JUTy JUTw jo n ibcwrY ]

baedh kathaeb kehahu math jhoot(h)ae jhoot(h)aa jo n bichaarai ||

Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.

-- Page 1350 Bhagat Kabeer Jee Raag Prabhaathee

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This brings us to a question...Are there good muslims ?? Ofcourse there are good muslims. But how do you know who they are ??

This is a question that confounds us all to a certain extent. The answer is actually simple, do not go by the 'words' of what a muslim says, just go by their actions. But isn't that how it is with us all, Yes ofcourse....but it is more so in case of muslims who can mouth a plethora of good things on your face and in public (on t.v., media, etc) then go behind your back to say..."Damn that kaffir/kaffirs" without any trace or a pang of guilt and furthermore such behaviour has divine sanction in their religion.

** For eg a Sunni pakistani man once said that he *respects* Shias a lot. And then he proceeded to arrange the marriage of his son during the Shia month of Ashura (month of mourning/maatam in urdu).

** A Sunni man has relatives who are Ahmedi/Qadiani and he says that he loves all his relatives and then when the relative dies, he stands 100 metres away from the funeral because he happens to be Sunni and Ahmedis are considered to be an heretical(munafiq) sect. (this happened during recent earthquakes)

So basically as you see above, there are many ways people might speak (on fora, on t.v., on books etc) but until their actions validate their words, you have very little reason to take them seriously and espescially if they are muslim.

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