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"Many Sikhs believe Kalki Avtar is going to come in that year."

i bet that deadline passes just like the sant ji's return deadline has passed ( a few times now).....

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hmm sant ji's deadline?

did he HAve a deadline? :lol:

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yeah some sikhs; like some sikhs are waiting for a kalki avtar thought and think that sant jarnail singh ji was going to come back before baba thakur singh ji passed away and baba thakur singh ji had said that sant ji is alive and was going to come back....

there are similarities betwen faiths but we need to pint out that these comeback stories are not the norm in sikhi....

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"Aap aap parbraham kahai hai. Neech ooch kah sees na naihai….(12)." {page 572}

There will be no 'dharam' in this world. There will be sins and sins on every step. Even Gurus will have bad relations with their Sikhs wives. And Sikhs will sleep with their Guru's wife: - "

yeah great link, thanks, now i know why i follow "black and white sikhi"

wow.

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The Shias believe that Imam Mahdi is going to return in 2012. Many Sikhs believe Kalki Avtar is going to come in that year.

Also, there is mention of Mir Mehdi in Dasam Bani, but i'm not sure if this is the same person as Imam Mahdi.

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How would these Sikh go about figuring out the Year 2012? Also what significance does Kalki Avatar have to Sikhi? Is there any being other than Whaeguru who we should have anticipation for? Will the Kalki Avatar "wipe out evil" like it is written in the Judeo-Christian religions? Do we really need any more than the Pavitar Bani of the Guru to Guide us?

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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Thanks for clearing that up coz i nearly got confused then.

By the way sorry if this is off topic but.... Hindus believe the awaited kalki avtar has aleady came.... Baha'ullah, the prophet of Bahai faith... Hinduism prophecised him....

http://bahai-library.com/books/hinduism/ch4.htm

http://www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/buddhasa.htm

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Thanks for clearing that up coz i nearly got confused then.

By the way sorry if this is off topic but.... Hindus believe the awaited kalki avtar has aleady came.... Baha'ullah, the prophet of Bahai faith... Hinduism prophecised him....

http://bahai-library.com/books/hinduism/ch4.htm

http://www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/buddhasa.htm

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

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doesn't it seem very convenient for hindus to just claim all great religious figures as an incarnation of their deity? kind of fishy cause they do that with sikhi too...did the same with buddha as well....

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