can i go to church

[Niranjana]

i disagree

ps. could you please keep it shorter next time

Sardar Kharkoo Gill Sahib Jeeo...

GUR FATEH!!!

What exactly do you disagree with? AND why? Please explain so that the forum may learn from my foolish ways and errors and above all this foolish person may benefit from the wisdom of the cyber-sangat.

Sorry for making it too long...but I guess certain things take time to explain!

Looking forward to hearing from hopefully learning from you!

Niranjana

[Gill]

just simply read any of my posts on this topic and you'll know what i disagree with, sorry for not explaining my view

[Niranjana]

just simply read any of my posts on this topic and you'll know what i disagree with, sorry for not explaining my view

Gur Fateh!

Gill Sahib Ji, I have read your posts and I frankly disagree with you! Yes, what you say maybe valid from a modern mainstream Christian perspective but we both know that there are many Christians who refute the wine drinking and don't practice this in their service (Salvation Army being just one of these).

Anyway, I would recommend you go and read up about the Gynostics and the truth behind what is now termed Christianity...all of the questions you have raised will be answered and prehaps you can understand where I'm coming from...but if not, then let's simply agree to disagree...

Incidently, Mary as most people are brought up to know, is a figure constructed by the Church...there are many scholars and historians who have traced this back to the Marian Cult, which is essentially a devi cult and also, interestingly, Christanity did try and consolidate the gods of Europe into one...Britannia was a devi prior to being reduced to an icon...all over the world there has been reverence for the Feminine Diety/power/Devi...another topic...but interesting nonetheless...

[r.singh]

That was quite an interesting post by Niranjana. But I don't see what you're all disagreeing about. Niranjana gave information about the background of various names used for god by our Guru Saahib. As we all know, our guru's took terms from various backgrounds and traditions and used them in reference for god. As Niranjana says at the end of his or her post,

Now clearly in the style of Gurbani, these terms are used as symbolic language and are not references to the Devi as such, but to the functional qualities of Akal, pointing verily to Akal alone, just as the reference to Jugg Mata at the end of the full Benti Chaupai Sahib does...unfortunately for those who can only see things literally, such foolish actions as to cut the words of Guru Ji to fit their own agendas are undoubtedly going to occur.

I don't think Khalistani or I or anyone else stated anything in contradiction to this. The various names used for god by our guru's may come from whatever background, but the guru's used them in reference to Vaahiguru. They only worshipped Vaahiguru. So where's the disagreement? Even the svayeeaa at the end of KabiyoBachBenti Choupai, the translation given by Niranjana agrees with what has already been stated. You did give some background on the term asipaan, but it doesn't change the meaning of those lines. The point that we should study other faiths and their traditions is also valid. A schola

rly interest in the religious beliefs and traditions of other faith groups is something that should be encouraged. Of course, this doesn't mean we accept their teachings, but that's fairly obvious. Be respectful of others but stick to gurmat. Overall, it was an informative post.

[Niranjana]

Gur fateh!

R Singh Jeeo, thanks for the kind words and thank you for taking the time to read and understand my comments.

Much appreciated,

Niranjana

[Gill]

Niranjana, i'm just woundering, did you read all my posts on this topic, you might want to read the ones on the first couple of pages.