Ekta

[Pwalla!]

Ekta

Before starting daas would like to apologise for any mistakes made in the article, daas is not a writer or speaker but writes down what daas feels. Yesterday daas went down with a few Singhs to a camp and learnt a lot from a great gursikh but also there were many questions like, “what we shall do to get the same ekta that Bhai Fauja singh and Sant Kartar Singh ji had.” A lot of things daas will say may hurt upset some one but that is not daas intentions.

It’s simple Jaap Naam together, when Baba Harnam Singh ji use to have Naam Kamai Camps for eight days or so, singhs such as Sant Kartar Singh of Damdami Taksal, Shaheed Bhai Fauja Singh and Joginder singh Halwara of Akhand Kirtani Jatha use to visit and do service at the smagam. Where Bhai Joginder Singh Halwara and the jatha use to do the keertan and the Taksali singhs use to do the katha.

At the time of Bhai Randheer singh and Sant Gurbachan singh, the Akhand Keertani Jatha use to do the keertan and Sant Gurbachan Singh and Taksal wale singhs did the katha. If these Kamai Wale Gursikhs had so much piyaar for each other, who are we to split over a few issues, what didn’t they have issues then at those times.

Now singhs before doing the Fathe will think twice, which jatha is he from his wearing a Taksali dastar he must be a taksali? Before the Fathe we got a million thoughts separating it, that Fathe will never be accepted by Guru Gobind Singh ji.

Baba Harnam Singh use to go to Akhand Paths bhogs organised by Akhand Kirtani Jatha and vise versa, Baba Harnam Singh knew that the jatha is not going to read Raag malla but he still went and sat all the way through, now days its ok for jatha singhs to sit through raag malla but not for a Taksali singh to sit through a Jatha organised Akhand Path, why is this? We can’t have a one way Ekta? It’s true because daas has seen it with his own eyes. Daas also had some singhs laughing behind the gursikhs backs and making fun of the singhs because they didn’t agree the way they designed a few tops, if it was such a problem then singhs should have come up to them and with nimrata bring the issue forward, not to make comments like, “if you want to listen or not that’s up to you” these are all issues that daas experienced that’s why daas is brining them forward. Also if singhs on stages can comment issues such as kesh is a kakar and raag malla is bani but it is wrong for singhs to have books on stales is all a one way process. Daas is brining this forward because its things that are upsetting people, if we want Ekta we need to stay away from such issues.

How to bring more Ekta in the panth

Singhs from all jatha bandis should support an event organised by any of the other jatha, singhs need to start going Rensbhais, but also singhs from Akhand Keertani Jatha need to open up more and go to programs organised by other jatha bandis. If all jatha singhs start to spend time with each other all night singing the praises of waheguroo then there can be more chardikala in the panth.

Daas has seen a lot of the Akhand keertani Jatha singhs well there are a few but majority don’t come to the Respect for Guru Granth Sahib ji campaign. We need more singhs coming to such events, daas sees that a lot of singhs will go to rensbhais but will fail to stand up when needed. Don’t forget Bhai Fauja singh stopped a keertan darbar and did a speech in the middle of the keertan for the singhs to go and join the Taksal singhs in the Morcha. One point to note here is, what was the need for Sant Jarnail Singh ji to ask the jatha singhs to forward, what didn’t he have enough singhs in Taksal, if he was so raag malla and kesh etc, why did he call those singhs that didn’t even agree with the points. There was piyaar between them these issues didn’t split them, which are splitting us up now.

Sit through out the keertan even if some singhs might be doing something that you don’t agree with. If we were naam abhiyaasi then these things wont come in the way, but the problem is this the quality we are missing.

Sorry to say the ones that complain / argue about raag malla, keski gupt amritwela etc are the ones that have no jeevan but are there for the name, they are spiritually empty, we need to realise this. You can’t become a Taksali or part of the Akhand Keertani jatha because of a few views, or because you wear a Taksali pag or because you took amrit from the Jatha.

Khalistan

One thing daas is confused about, why are Singhs so much in to Khalistan. Khalistan is a bit of land, which will probably be corrupt after a few years. Piyraio lets wake up, mahraj has offered us the world to have raaj over, but for that we need to, ‘Man Jite, Jag Jeet’. The reason being singhs are now lazy cant wake up amritwela, jaap naam athi pehar and keep rehit, for that reason if we do little we will get little.

The government is wining, they saw that these issues will split us up, so they put some government de bande (people) in to the panth such as Badal and the rest to split us and bring friction between each other. Daas has one thing to say to the government, “for how long will you keep brothers apart, we are becoming one again, be scared because we will come again and get the justice we deserve.”

A lot of things daas must have said may feel upsetting but daas felt we need to learn from our mistakes and learn from our elder gursikhs, who did Shaheedi for US.

Bhul chuk faf jio.

Waheguroo ji ka khalsa, waheguroo ji ki fateh

[jassa]

beautiful post :WW: .... the only cause of division according to me is forcing our maeryada which every one thinks and should think is right on others ....

truth is we become sad if we see no of sikhs or khalsa is increasing in other samparda ....

disscussions like anad in banni how u do ur nitname how to do sewa etc etc which were common among sikhs 40 - 50 years back are not among youth now ... because truth is we dont have nitname ...

if a nihang and akj and taksali will sit only things which will be disscussed are ragmalla meat dasam guru granth ... we should NOT eat meat dasam garnths bani is NOT guru sahibs ragamalla is NOT banni ... we can only talk and preach about which things sikh should NOT do but no one cares to talk about what things sikh should do .....

living like brothers will make our father happy ....

akaaaaaaal

[KH4L1$T4N1]

wicked post by pwalla!

theres gonna be no ekta untill there is ego amongst jathay. ekta will only come once ego goes, otherwise ekta is just gonna be a dream and never a reality. same goes for Khalistan untill there ego means no ekta which means no Khalistan. however this doesnt mean Khalistan isnt required even Guru Nanak Sahib said "jis hee kee sirakaar hai this hee kaa sabh koe"

[Guest Dancing Warrior]

Ekta

Before starting daas would like to apologise for any mistakes made in the article, daas is not a writer or speaker but writes down what daas feels. Yesterday daas went down with a few Singhs to a camp and learnt a lot from a great gursikh but also there were many questions like, “what we shall do to get the same ekta that Bhai Fauja singh and Sant Kartar Singh ji had.” A lot of things daas will say may hurt upset some one but that is not daas intentions.

It’s simple Jaap Naam together, when Baba Harnam Singh ji use to have Naam Kamai Camps for eight days or so, singhs such as Sant Kartar Singh of Damdami Taksal, Shaheed Bhai Fauja Singh and Joginder singh Halwara of Akhand Kirtani Jatha use to visit and do service at the smagam. Where Bhai Joginder Singh Halwara and the jatha use to do the keertan and the Taksali singhs use to do the katha.

At the time of Bhai Randheer singh and Sant Gurbachan singh, the Akhand Keertani Jatha use to do the keertan and Sant Gurbachan Singh and Taksal wale singhs did the katha. If these Kamai Wale Gursikhs had so much piyaar for each other, who are we to split over a few issues, what didn’t they have issues then at those times.

Now singhs before doing the Fathe will think twice, which jatha is he from his wearing a Taksali dastar he must be a taksali? Before the Fathe we got a million thoughts separating it, that Fathe will never be accepted by Guru Gobind Singh ji.

Baba Harnam Singh use to go to Akhand Paths bhogs organised by Akhand Kirtani Jatha and vise versa, Baba Harnam Singh knew that the jatha is not going to read Raag malla but he still went and sat all the way through, now days its ok for jatha singhs to sit through raag malla but not for a Taksali singh to sit through a Jatha organised Akhand Path, why is this? We can’t have a one way Ekta? It’s true because daas has seen it with his own eyes. Daas also had some singhs laughing behind the gursikhs backs and making fun of the singhs because they didn’t agree the way they designed a few tops, if it was such a problem then singhs should have come up to them and with nimrata bring the issue forward, not to make comments like, “if you want to listen or not that’s up to you” these are all issues that daas experienced that’s why daas is brining them forward. Also if singhs on stages can comment issues such as kesh is a kakar and raag malla is bani but it is wrong for singhs to have books on stales is all a one way process. Daas is brining this forward because its things that are upsetting people, if we want Ekta we need to stay away from such issues.

How to bring more Ekta in the panth

Singhs from all jatha bandis should support an event organised by any of the other jatha, singhs need to start going Rensbhais, but also singhs from Akhand Keertani Jatha need to open up more and go to programs organised by other jatha bandis. If all jatha singhs start to spend time with each other all night singing the praises of waheguroo then there can be more chardikala in the panth.

Daas has seen a lot of the Akhand keertani Jatha singhs well there are a few but majority don’t come to the Respect for Guru Granth Sahib ji campaign. We need more singhs coming to such events, daas sees that a lot of singhs will go to rensbhais but will fail to stand up when needed. Don’t forget Bhai Fauja singh stopped a keertan darbar and did a speech in the middle of the keertan for the singhs to go and join the Taksal singhs in the Morcha. One point to note here is, what was the need for Sant Jarnail Singh ji to ask the jatha singhs to forward, what didn’t he have enough singhs in Taksal, if he was so raag malla and kesh etc, why did he call those singhs that didn’t even agree with the points. There was piyaar between them these issues didn’t split them, which are splitting us up now.

Sit through out the keertan even if some singhs might be doing something that you don’t agree with. If we were naam abhiyaasi then these things wont come in the way, but the problem is this the quality we are missing.

Sorry to say the ones that complain / argue about raag malla, keski gupt amritwela etc are the ones that have no jeevan but are there for the name, they are spiritually empty, we need to realise this. You can’t become a Taksali or part of the Akhand Keertani jatha because of a few views, or because you wear a Taksali pag or because you took amrit from the Jatha.

Khalistan

One thing daas is confused about, why are Singhs so much in to Khalistan. Khalistan is a bit of land, which will probably be corrupt after a few years. Piyraio lets wake up, mahraj has offered us the world to have raaj over, but for that we need to, ‘Man Jite, Jag Jeet’. The reason being singhs are now lazy cant wake up amritwela, jaap naam athi pehar and keep rehit, for that reason if we do little we will get little.

The government is wining, they saw that these issues will split us up, so they put some government de bande (people) in to the panth such as Badal and the rest to split us and bring friction between each other. Daas has one thing to say to the government, “for how long will you keep brothers apart, we are becoming one again, be scared because we will come again and get the justice we deserve.”

A lot of things daas must have said may feel upsetting but daas felt we need to learn from our mistakes and learn from our elder gursikhs, who did Shaheedi for US.

Bhul chuk faf jio.

Waheguroo ji ka khalsa, waheguroo ji ki fateh

Pwalla your comments are most welcoming and show a change in you. Can I ask, when you say “Ekta” are you referring just to the AKJ Singhs and the Taksal Singhs? Would you go as far as to include UK Nihangs, Namdharies etc etc?

I don’t want you or anyone else to miss understand me and think I am asking you a calculating question I am not asking this question for this reason. I simply want to know does “EKTA” mean Ekta? Because if it does we have come along way.

Respectfully

DW :TH:

[khalistan_zindabaad]

Good post by pwalla.

Ekta is of maryada and of gurmat, if one dsnt follow gurmat then there cannot be ekta. reference being made to naamdharis and other groups who are not part of the khalsa panth.

Sant kartaar singh jee, bhai fauja singh jee, baba nihaal singh jee, Sant baba harnam singh jee etc all had/have gurmat therefore also have guru sahibs kushia and pyaar amongst other gursikhs.

WRT panthic programs, its a shame to seee that not alot of people actually make an effort to attend such programs, however like to clash other programs at the same time, or just not attend. . . i recall there being a few open (not jathabandi based programs) and the turnout isnt that good. . . is there a reason?

I wont comment on raagmala and kes or mool mantr issue in this post as its not required.

The need for khalistan is a must as per the bachan of sant gyani jarnail singh '' the day the government attacks sri darbaar sahib, the foundation stone of khalistan will be layed''

Also we forget the 1986 sarbat khalsa ardaas. . if soo watch the below video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfOLbhvVMQU

I reccomend to all to personally read the book se kinehya (sant harnam singh ji rampur khera) as alot of references by pwalla are from this book. .. its totally amazing.

There are singhs in leicester that do a similar abhiyaas kamai camp every month (the timetable is similar to that of sant harnam singhs camps), it would be nice to see singhs from all backgrounds and jathas attending, as at the moment its just mainly taksali based and if we want this ekta then i feel that we may have to attend these open joint camps. i personally go to rensbhais, to help with this ekta issue. khalsa jee if you want to speak wrt the points raised why not just actually meet up with the singhs you know and speak about them (reference being made to the tops)

any other point regarding ekta just come and chat to the singhs you know.

fateh jee

[Guest Narinder Singh]

Namdharis, Radhoswamis, Nirankaris, etc. are not a part of the Khalsa Panth, in fact they have been excommunicated. You can put all these groups under the same category of the RSS who have also been excommunicated.

Only those are accepted as a part of the panth to which the Sarbat Khalsa (Sikh commonwealth) says.

Fateh.

[Shaheed Singh Khalsa]

WaheguruJiKaKhalsa WaheguruJiKiFateh

"Can anyone please explain what EKTA actually means? is it a Sikhi term?"

I posted this question in another section of this forum and did not get much more detail than it means Unity. I suppose I should have asked for a more indepth answer :umm:

Can anyone shed any light on where this term comes from & possibly provide some lines from Bani where it is used.

Many thanks

WaheguruJiKaKhalsa WaheguruJiKiFateh

[Simple Singhani]

Wicked points!!!!!

[Guest Hardeep_S_Khalsa]

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh

Excellent post Pwalla.

I think Guru Jee has a plan. Like in a war you get allies from different countries fighting against the enemy and they all have different responsibilites within the battlefield.

I think the same thing will happen. All the jathe like: AKJ, Taksal, nanaksar, bebe nanaki, rara sahib and others wil all come together as one.

Hopefully this will happen one day and we will achieve ekta.

one god: VAAHEGUROO

one guru: Guru Granth Sahib

One panth: Khalsa Panth

[Guest Dancing Warrior]

Ok from the responses I take it Ekta only applies to Akjs, Taksalis, Nanaksar etc a selective few. I had a feeling it was too good to be true. Never mind at least we can talk about it without arguing at least that’s something.

Fathe’

:sady: