Khalistan : When Will We Get Our Own Independent Sate?

[hawk13]

To my opinion Manmohan singh and Harkishan singh surjeet r biggest GHULAMS. Surjeet is so worthess he created false sikh fighters to kill sikhs Gurcharn Singh Thohra was his agent who was in payroll of intelligence bureau and used to get monthly amount of 300-800 during 1955-71 at that time it was a big amount tohra planted left minded preachers inSGPC WHO still r preaching left ideology has no regard for SIKHISM. Among them is gs grewal former vc of GNDU. These socalled leftminded people even indulged in smoking and drinking .Now in SGPC fight is between pro rss and left minded people calling them sikh is making fool of himself. Apart from POLITICAL GHULAMI cultural ghulami is more dangerous we should avoid visiting hindu holy places and doing jakarataras of devis .

[guptveer1469]

Hawk, can you please post the letter that you mentioned about, that Khalistan army?

What are ur guys view on SS Mann??

I think hes good.

[akitosforever]

Good arguement

I have only one answer

We need Khalistan. Christians n Muslims who will be in Khalistan will be happy. It will be the real BIGGEST DEMOCRACY in the WORLD! It wont discirminate dalits and others, like Brahman government does. Manmohan Singh is a keshdhari hindu, not a sikh.

Clearly Shows how tolerant u are whn it comes to dealing people with different views calling ManMohan Singh Hindu.

Wonder if you want to convince evryone for Khalistan with the Same Attitude.

DUDE U may be Knowin a lotta history abt 84 and the Violent Events after that. Go back a little more and try to see how toelrant and humble sikhs have been.

Even If he is a Keshdhari Hindu he is doing much better than those Posers sitting outhere.

I just dont get one point ....y does a sikh need a separate state to practise his religon with liberty.Are we incompetent for practising our faith in any corner of the world.

If you think there are corrupt peope in the system ...then you enter the main system and change for th good for mankind not just for Sikhs alone.

akitosforever, i agree with u that sikhs can practice their religion anywhere in world... but, my point is that we have to practice sikhism with pride... in india, sikhs r often beaten...their kesh r often mishandeled...is this wat u call practicing sikhism...(with pride).. so, we do need a separate state to practise our religion with liberty... and about corrupt political system of india,, its not so easy to enter that system and improve it...its not easy to form a sikh govt. in a hindu majority state... and its not easy for 1 sikh to go against all his corrupt party members... u can take example of manmohan singh.. why is he not taking any action against corrupt leaders... becoz its not just 1-2 corrupt leaders in india... 90% of them r corrupt... and if anyoe goes against them.. then it is not possible for him to continue his govt. with only 10% support....

so, the final point is that khalistan is a neccesity... not a useless demand...

Glad that you considered an opinion like an opinion....

However My Point is that the corrupt people that you talk about in the Indian Govt ....are'nt any sikhs part of this very govt... and lets say Hypothetically when Khalistan is formed do you think that there will be new breed of Sikhs politiciansand the Pure leaders will Rule...Completely wrong .....it will be the Very same corrupt Sikhs with just different political parties .

And sikhs being beaten and insulted in India today....what will happen more when Khalistan will be formed ....there will be more insulting and beating for the Sikhs ...havent u witnessed the Homelessness Fellings of the Humble Muslims after the Formation of Pakistan.

Till date Muslim is being taunted being Pakistani. Khalistan formation would definately not be all by peaceful means, what do you these RSS/BJP people will do to the Indian Sikhs .

Why hasnt justice been done till date for the Culprits for Post 84 events. becuase there are so many sikh supporters for people like Tytler.

You add to that he state of the State Punjab.

Cant we concentrate on Bigger Issues like the Drug Abuse in Punjab. People shying away from Sikhi ....children from Gursikh families are shedding Hair.

People who tell that their will be Democracy and Hindus/Muslims/Christians will have equal rights in Khalistan.....and the same people have so much hate against Hindus instead of hate only against corrupt Individuals when I read their Posts.

Tell me why there has been no single post for the Hindus who Helped the SIkhs in the releif Camps in the 84 Riots.

Why there has been no appreciation for the Lawyer who has done life devoting research after Khalras Abduction for the Mass Sikh Killings in Punjab. Dont those Hindus Deserve some respect .

There are my points and Im pretty rigid about them.

Fateh

[hawk13]

Hawk, can you please post the letter that you mentioned about, that Khalistan army?

What are ur guys view on SS Mann??

I think hes good.

YES SUNNY brother we have to create full fighting force consisting of air and naval forces if state have defence budget why we cannot have same we r ecomically sound than hindus and biggest cotributers to Indian budget according to latest reports. Instead of going for few kills one should hit bull,s eye we cannot underestimate any enemy as present enemy is worst than mughals , they may even use nuclear weapons and blame Pakistan . MY idea may look foolish but one have to be practical if ltte and muslim fighters of kashmir can have small air power that is no reason why we can not have one biger one.AS FAR AS SS MANN IS concerned he has made the big sacrifice there is no doubt about it but he has made some mistakes also he should have taken the oath in 1989 as he did in 1997 diplomatic fight is also essential along with other things. Another mistake he did to forsake KHALISTAN ISSUE in recent elctionsin feb2007. On the cotraray ATINDER PAL SINGH FOUGHT ELCTIONS AGAINIST PS BADAL SOLELY ON KHALISTANI AGENDA FROM LAMBI but other sikh groups have such a phobia for khalistan that THEY CAMPAIGNED againist ATINDER INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING HIM. Criminal cases were filed againist ATINDER for raising and distributing khalistani literature a large no of his party men r being picked up and tortured daily.As far as Political fight is concerned ATINDERPAL SINGH is well ahead of other leaders he also successfully raised sikh state issue BEFORE UNO EARTH SUMMIT but there is ego clash between MANN and ATINDER UNLESS ALL sikh groups come togeather and there is unity between leaders like atinder mann, satnamm singh all individuals efforts will be destroyed. Even shedding khalistani agenda none of sikh leader could win there is another silent genocide of sikhs is going on but none realises it. There is going to power failure dear friend write more next time.

[wjkk wjkf]

Good arguement

I have only one answer

We need Khalistan. Christians n Muslims who will be in Khalistan will be happy. It will be the real BIGGEST DEMOCRACY in the WORLD! It wont discirminate dalits and others, like Brahman government does. Manmohan Singh is a keshdhari hindu, not a sikh.

Clearly Shows how tolerant u are whn it comes to dealing people with different views calling ManMohan Singh Hindu.

Wonder if you want to convince evryone for Khalistan with the Same Attitude.

DUDE U may be Knowin a lotta history abt 84 and the Violent Events after that. Go back a little more and try to see how toelrant and humble sikhs have been.

Even If he is a Keshdhari Hindu he is doing much better than those Posers sitting outhere.

I just dont get one point ....y does a sikh need a separate state to practise his religon with liberty.Are we incompetent for practising our faith in any corner of the world.

If you think there are corrupt peope in the system ...then you enter the main system and change for th good for mankind not just for Sikhs alone.

That's what I'm trying to say..there are many minorities in India who are treated like crap- what about them - since when have sikhs been about 'us and them'?

[militan4evabains]

Guru pyaari Sadsangat Jee Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh the first thing we all need before talking bout when we sikhs will get our ghar Khalistan is gurmaata and a gursikhi jeevani Look at all our great shaheeds of past and present time people like Shaheed Baba Deep Singh jee, Shaheed Bhai Mani Singh jee, Shaheed Kishan Sigh ghargaj Babber during the british Raj the Babber Akaali lehar shaheed gursikhs during the british raj in india. Then look at people like Shaheed Udam Singh jeevani and finally lokk at Sant Jarnail Singh Jee Khalsa Bhindrawale Jee, Shaheed Bhai Sukhdev Singh Babber, Shaheed Bhai Harjinder Singh Jinda and Shaheed Bhai Sukhdev Singh Sukha jee they all had a very high gurmatta jeevani even when these great Gursikhs attained Shaheediyah it was according to Gurmaata. thats the only way we can get our ghar Khalistan but don't forget that khalistan isn't only for sikhs its for all those people who have and are being killed under the braman rule in india.

Bul Chuk Maaf karna Guru pyaari Sadsangat Jee Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[KH4L1$T4N1]

Untill we put ego aside there will be no ekta and no Khalistan.

Untill we do not remove all biparvaad and follow Tat Gurmat there will be no Khalistan

Untill we do not stop this whole "your jatha is wrong and mine is right" there will be no Khalistan

International support is required, and Khalistan CAN survive it will be a Socialist republic and not capitalist. The way pre-84 movement went, that is the way we need to do things, make demand with minimum bloodshed, only the guilty should be assasinated, no need for a full scale war as it would be crushed brutally (india is nearly a superpower now). We also cannot get freindly with pakistan the like india cannot be trusted. Another way is through a bloodless coup or minimal bloodshed coup.

[blinded]

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh. for a start we need to getthis 1 point clear............how da heck is khalistan gunna be made wen there are hardly any khalseh is punjab????? eh

there is no point in ranting bout it here if we want change then we gunna haf to go to india. khalistan can only be established when khalseh are actually there.

at the moment its bhehiastan there not khalistan.

and sure if there is a big protest in india bout khalistan then surely peepz will die or get arrested but we as sikhs aren't ready do die or even get arrested.

Since when da hell were sikhs scared to fight for the truth?

shows how far we as sikhs have come.

there no point saying khalistan this and khalistan that here go and do it india where it will make a difference because it is needed.

[guptveer1469]

Hawk, i really like your idea. An air force is cool...

Just like the freedom fighters in Sri Lanka have...

But from where all that money???

Yearly in the crores must be spent on the maintance of that...

But unlike others, i wud appreciate if Khalistanis take help from ISI.

[Barjinder Singh]

yeah, blinded is right... sikhs from all over the world have to come to india and start protesting...

sitting in other countries and talking about khalistan on forums will end up with nothing...

u should understand that u have to give ur everything if u really want khalistan to be formed....

sikhs aren't afraid to die but we should not die so easily... let us make our life as well as death count..

everyone has to leave this world one day... then why don't fight fearlessly for khalistan...

as told in "rise of khalsa"

" je jang jit gaye tan raaj bhaag khalse da

nahin tan guru diyan khushiyan milngiyan"

so, i request all the NRI's to come india and let us give khalistan a go.....