Sikhs & Canada.. Whats Going On?

[S1ngh]

Air-India damaged the whole good character of sikhs in Canada.. Well its old story but recently its coming on news frequently..

Now it says some sikhs tried to target PM of canada of that time ?? Whats going on..

[pun9ab1]

Well, I think Air-India is a racist airline. I flew on it hen i went to Amritsar and completely ignored me. I asked for a pillow and the said they didn't have any, but another guy asked them and they gave it to him. They were also very rude towards me during the whole trip.

however, i toke their name and complained to the air India authority in Amritsar. After doing a follow up on it I found out the employees involved in this were suspended with out pay so i was happy.

[Khalsa4ever]

Waheguroo jee ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo jee kee Fateh!

Irrespective of how good or bad of an airline it was, the point is that the perception is there that sikhs took innocent lives, and in this day and age of constant fear of terrorism, it only makes us look bad.

All those accusations are based on declassified CSIS and RCMP documents: so they likely have some factual basis. Its no surprise that some of those groups have been labeled as terrorist organizations and banned in Canada.

Waheguroo jee ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo jee kee Fateh!

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

what's interesting is that the murder of ten thousand sikhs in delhi after indira gandhi's death never damaged the image of hindus in india...or the murder of muslims in gujurat, or the demolition of baabri masjid, or the masacre at darbar sahib in 1984.

you know why?

because damaging reputations of a religious community is done by people in power. in america, american politicians have spent so much energy in depicting Muslims in a favorable light, even though all the hijackers were Muslim, and this has been proven, whereas, nothing has been concrete in Canada, yet the Sikh image in canada is suffereing from this terrible inicident.

It's very interesting to see that media and governments can damage who they WANT to damage and protect who they WANT to protect. It's kind of scary actually, and one of the reasons why Raj bina na dharam chale hai DHARAM BINA SAB DALE MALE HAI...

and for all the canadian agencies and the likes of Bolan who monitor this site, the above quote is by the tenth Nanak, Guru Gobind singh ji. It pertains to the fact that religions do not floursih without self-rule, and without religion, all are in a state of confusion and chaos.

peace.

[N30S1NGH]

Here is the deal with sikhs in BC, Canada thats is what i think, others who live in canada can add or correct me if i m wrong- sikhs here are pretty falls into two extremes- one pro sant bhindranwale, pro babar khalsa pro khalistan anti bharamins, anti hindu, anti anyone who doesnt agree to their views and other extreme is anti khalistan because violence against them by khalistani during 1984 because lack of co-operation from their side or simply not agreeing with their side, this extreme is tottaly put off by sikhi- they usually are anti chola/bana wearing singhs, anti kirpan, anti kesh with attitude its inside what matters, anti maryada - sitting on ground etc.

Both extremes are wrong.

You wont find people with mixture in majority as in - pro khalistan movement yet fully against unjustified force...pro sant bhindranwale idea of sovergeinty yet denouncing, condeming other soo called khalistan groups have used unjustified force which have killed loads of innocent civilians whether it revolves around contoversial figures like talvinder singh parmar(contoversial figure read-soft target) or ajaib singh bagri(hate speech to kill 50,000 hindus).

Since there is no middle ground of people in majority who are neither fanatics nor pacifist, its very easy for media take sides towards as they put it moderates which in this soceity means- pacificism/ you just call 911 if you see - rape happening infront of your eyes instead of doing something physically to stop it, that be off course consider as a crime you had no right to be involved, let police deal with it kinda attitude.

Media here generally are anti minorities.

Actually cannot blame fully on media either, when our sikh community leaders can hardly speak english goes to media with an attitude - talvinder singh parmar is an hero, i can say you are terrorist anyone call anyone terrorist with out any proof...instead of creating an intellectual dialogue with the media and correct them- struggle for khalistan/sovergeinty is not as black and white as they think and give glorious examples from the history explained the role of sant-sipahi, give examples how khalsa have in the past denounced violence, condemns violence and only use justified method to get justice and give examples from anmesty international human rights abuse report against india.

quite a bit of damage has been done to the image of sikhs here in canada by bias media or shall i say- naive media, i dont think media should be fully blamed for blunders our soo called khalistan leaders who stuck in one extreme have made.

Its about time canadian sikhs should hold some accountablity, acknowledgement in media yes we had sikh fanatics within ourselves, fanaticism is not a sikh problem but Global problem instead of rejecting the news by playing the usual trumphet- oh look at that kim bolan, terri melveski wrote a bias article, oh they are ought there to get us(sikhs again). Lets stop playing the victim role and do something productive. Victim role as our maha panthic sevadars - arrogrant mini akaal takth wanna be police panthic weekly are doing- http://www.panthic.org/news/131/ARTICLE/3250/2007-04-25.html

They are quoting from the book-soft target whenever it suits them, when you ask them what does it this book think about "Talvinder Singh Parmar"...they zip their mouth.

Here is the download link for e-book- soft target, go all the way down to index, look for talvinder singh parmar, read all the pages related to parmar, draw your own opnion on this matter:

Right click and save target as:

http://www.gurmarag.net/SikhAwareness/Text...get%20ebook.pdf

I am not denying there are people who dont follow those both extremes that i listed above but the point is they are still not in majority because they are not visible to media or they dont approach media to set the record straight, thats the problem. People who can hardly speak english ie- comitee member of gurdwara approach media and think they are representative of whole sikh community in BC instead of holding an intellectual dialogue with media and educating them they go on about how talvinder singh is not terrorist, he is hereo, i can say you are terrorist given no proof but rather childish comments,, blah blah.. This is a serious problem, youths in BC like have to sort things out and set the record straight. I have seen media people like to get both sides, but our soo called leaders in BC in the gurdwaras dont return their phone calls, tell me how silly that seems to wider canadian community?

Kim Bolan, terry meliveski have done damage to sikh image no doubt but as they say it takes two to tango, our soo called sikh community leaders in BC have equally done damage to sikh image.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

i agree with you Namstang. There are the extreme khalistanis who just seem ticked off at everyone and the extreme "moderates" who are just ticked off at anything sikhi...we need the true khalsa which believes in sovereignty for all and for the welfare of all mankind, to be vocal and represent the true aspirations of the quam.

[lsingh]

http://www.formac.ca/main_book.php?tabpage=main&id=1810

AVAILABLE

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ISBN10 1-55028-904-7

ISBN13 978-1-55028-904-6

6"x9"

192 Pages

2005

$19.95

Soft Target

The real story behind the Air India disaster Second Edition

By Zuhair Kashmeri & Brian McAndrew

About this book

A provocative look at one of Canada’s biggest tragedies

On March 16, 2005, almost twenty years after one of the biggest mass murders in Canadian Aviation history, the Air-India Case concluded with a verdict that authors Zuhair Kashmeri and Brian McAndrew predicted sixteen years ago when Soft Target was first published: not guilty.

In this second edition, the two offer a detailed foreword that brings readers up-to-date with some startling new information surrounding the twin bombings on June 23, 1985 in the air over the Atlantic, and on the ground in Japan, which left 331 people dead. They offer key details from the trial of Ripudaman Singh Malik and Ajaib Singh Bagri that took place in a specially-built Vancouver courtroom, leads that were not followed up, and more details of India’s intelligence service’s clandestine interference in Canada. They explain how their own prediction that justice would not be found because of a botched investigation came true, and that only a public inquiry will offer closure to the families of the victims.

[lsingh]

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Editorial Reviews

Review

Ottawa Citizen : Praise for the first edition:

"The book deals with a difficult subject and does so honestly and painstakingly. ... Its strength is that is presents the results of its investigations. Unless these are refuted, or some one comes up with a more credible explanation of these events, the book would remain as the most useful document on the subject."

Calgary Herald : Praise for the first edition:

"There is much documented and useful information in Soft Target, which often reads like a spy thriller. The authors weave Sikh politicians, RCMP officers, CSIS agents and Indian consuls into a fascinating story."

[sikh supreme]

Remember that video that was made and uploaded on youtube exposing the role of RAW agents (the indian terrorist agency) in the air india case. Well guess what the vid been removed because RAW has claimed copyright of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaJYBWYjxCw

How does that work out? Did anyone manage to download the video before it was taken down if so... upload it on another video viewing website like metacafe because that video opened alot of eyes of the state terrorism conducted by Indian govt.

[sikh supreme]

I personally believe parmer was an agent of the RAW. Everything he did was to malign the name of Khalistan at the advantage of the Indian govt. Maybe he is still alive, changed his identity and gone undercover under the protection of the Indian state. Was his supposed dead body ever recovered and handed over to reltives?, in that supposed encounter with punjab police?

The book soft target also makes similar allegations that agents were used posing as Khalistani militants to discredit the movement.