5 Kinds Of People - Not To Be Associated With

[nWo]

Five groups of people who are not to be associated with

The following five groups are not to be associated with as they have betrayed the Guru. The company of these five is to be refrained from as they may also

influence us to betray the Guru in the same way that they did.

1. Meene

Satguru Ramdas ji disowned Prithia and called him Meena for having a needless enmity with Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji. Prithia’s descendants are those who once got a Brahmin to attempt to poison Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji, and sent a midwife with poison on her nipples to feed the young Guru. A snake charmer was also sent by Prithia and was told to release his snake on to Guru Sahib to try and kill him. These evil doers, the descendants of Prithia, are called Meene.

2. Masand

In the name of Satguru, Masands collected money for Kar-Seva of Gurdwaras. But they begun to misuse the money for themselves. They became evil and started oppressing the Sikh Sangat, doing as they pleased. The tenth King/Guru freed the Sikh Sangat from these reptiles.

Guru Sahib got hot syrup poured over them and they were burnt alive as

punishment for their sins. Bhai Prehlad Singh ji states in his Rehatnama, "You are not to obey Masands, they will con the Sangat."

3. Ram Raieeay

Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib ji’s eldest son Ram Rai had needless enmity with the eight and ninth Gurus and appointed his own Masands. He changed a line in the holy Gurbani just to please the Mughal emperor Aurangzeb, changing "Miti musalman ki…" (soil is of the muslim…) to "Meeti beyman ki…" (soil is of the deceitful…). The seventh Satguru discarded Ram Rai from the house of the Guru forever, because he altered Gurbani. Satguru said:

ijn BY Adb n bwnI Dwrw [

jwnhu so isK nhIN hmwrw [ 20 [

"Those who do not fear and respect Gurbani, cannot be a Sikh of mine."

(Sri Guru Partap Suraj Granth)

No Sikh of the Guru’s is to associate with Ram Raieeay, nor is any offering to be made to them. Ramrai was told to leave and just go in the direction in which he was facing and he was told to never return, by Guru ji. Ramrai had no children. His followers started to call him ‘Guru’. The Khalsa should never associate/trust them.

4. Dhir Maleeay

Dhir Mal, the elder brother of Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib Ji, became an enemy of the seventh Guru and during the time of the sixth Guru he left Kartarpur for Kiratpur Sahib. Once there he set him self up as ‘Guru’. Upon the order of Guru Sahib, the Sikhs seized the ‘Chaur’ from Dhir Mal and threw him out of Kiratpur. Then again at the time of the ninth Guru, Dheer Mal again set up his own throne at Baba Bakala. He also got Sheehee Masand to try to shoot the ninth Guru Sahib.

Those Sodhis from the Doab’s Kartarpur area are Dheer Mal’s descendants. It was out of these descendants that Vadbhag Singh was born. During the rule of the 12 Misls (Khalsa States), the governor of Jalandhur desecrated and burnt ‘Tham Sahib’. Vadbhag Singh was Amritdharee, being the first Amritdharee of the Dhir Mal clan. He was scared of the Mughal rulers so he didn’t go to inform the Singhs (living in the jungles), nor did he confront the rulers about the desecration of ‘Tham Sahib.’ At that time, the Singhs thought he had escaped to the mountains to escape persecution and practice black magic. The Dheer Mal clan is

excommunicated and is not to be associated with by the Khalsa.

5. Gangu Shaheeay (and Hindaleeay)

Gangu Shah, a Brahmin, handed over the Small Sahibzade/Princes to the Mughal Governor Vazir Khan, who bricked them alive. The disloyal descendants of this family are not to be associated with by the Khalsa. The Hindaleeay made

alterations to the biography of Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji and had Sikhs arrested

leading to their torture and deaths in jails. The descendants of Shehay Masand were the ones who attempted to shoot the ninth Guru and thus turned their backs on him.

If any person out of the above five named groups takes Amrit from the Panj Pyare, lives according to the Rehat, accepts Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as their Guru and have full faith in the Guru, they are to be considered a fellow brother/sister of the Khalsa.

Five not to be associated with (i.e. not to eat with or marry your children to)

1. Tobacco users

People who smoke or use any form of tobacco (or drugs) are not to be associated with.

2. Female Infanticide

Those who kill their daughters at birth:

bRhmx kYlI Gwqu kM\kw AxcwrI kw Dwnu ]

iPtk iPtkw koVu bdIAw sdw sdw ABmwnu ]

“The following are all major sins:

a) Killing a Brahmgyani,

b) Killing or selling your daughter,

c ) Eating from a person who has no moral discipline.

Anyone who commits any of these has committed thousands of sins and this egotistical individual will be reprimanded thousands of times."

(SGGSJ Ang 1413)

kMinAw ko mwry mony ko kMinAW dyvy so qnKwhIAw ]

"They who kill their daughters and marry their daughters to those

who cut their hair are punishable."

(Rehatnama Bhai Deya Singh ji)

3. Those who sell their daughters

Those who receive money for the marriage of their daughters.

4. Those that cut some of their hair from their head

5. Those who completely shave all their hair from their face and head

A Hukamnama from Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib excommunicated Narakdharees on 30 June 1978.

Radha Soamis and other groups whom claim themselves to be the Guru and do not accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as the Guru. These groups are not to be

associated with, married into or meals taken with them. If they take Amrit from Panj Pyare, keep the Khalsa Rehat and accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as their Guru then they can be associated with and they are our brothers and sisters.

[SikherOfTheNaam]

I cut my hair because i'm not allowed to grow it due to my family, does that mean i'm not be associated with?

VJKK VJKF

[Medallion Stallion]

I cut my hair because i'm not allowed to grow it due to my family, does that mean i'm not be associated with?

VJKK VJKF

Lol NO, dont take it personally you can associate with whoever you want, but regarding your family and depending on your age maybe its time you stood up to them.............. :TH:

[Carpe Diem]

You missed out "Kumineh"... those that are friends and followers of Sikh Sangat member 'Kumi'

[Tanu Kaur]

Guru Sahib poured hot syrup over them?

Since when has Guru ahib been the punishing type?

[singh1986]

I have friends from a Radha Soami background, though they arent religious themselves, should I really not be sharing a meal with them? even though thier parents are strict Radha Soamis.

[proactive]

About people who have a haircut, it's not saying don't associate with them it's more to do with people who have taken Amrit and have cut their hair in which case they have become patit. It;s makes sense that Amritdharis should not associate with those who have taken Amrit and then cut their hair as they are likely to take someone's kala down.

[AK47 JATHA LION]

Five groups of people who are not to be associated with

4. Those that cut some of their hair from their head

5. Those who completely shave all their hair from their face and head

A Hukamnama from Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib excommunicated Narakdharees on 30 June 1978.

Radha Soamis and other groups whom claim themselves to be the Guru and do not accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as the Guru. These groups are not to be

associated with, married into or meals taken with them. If they take Amrit from Panj Pyare, keep the Khalsa Rehat and accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as their Guru then they can be associated with and they are our brothers and sisters.

Im in agreement, but except number 4) and 5):

if thats the case then stop talkin to every1 that cuts their hair. when u go to work dont talk to any1 that cuts their hair, when u step out the house dont say anything to any1 that cuts hair cuz u cant associate with them??? if a lady is getting mugged/raped/beaten, dont do anything, beacause she cuts her hair and u cant assosiate with them... ok?

I dont know where u get your "sikhi info" on who to associate with and who not to assosiate with, but please please i do a benthi to u, not to spread your infidel views on the wider sikh community because it is just a LOAD OF NONSESNE.

If that were the case then sikhs that cut hair would not be allowed into the gurdwara because they shouldnt be associated with. is any1 denied the access to a gurdwara to matha tek? did guru ji ever stop any1 from coming to see him?

you mentioned hukamnane from the akaal takhat ex-communicating nirankaris in 1978... fair enough.

show me the hukamnana that ex-communicates people that cut their hair now. can u find 1?

complete and absolute utter nonsesne, thats all i have to say.

[jss]

tanu kaur bhenay,

guru ji had the masands burnt alive after the sangat made it known to him in the form of a play as to what the masands were doing.

the instituion of the masands was started by earlier gurus (can't remember which ones) to do parchar of sikhi and collect donations to run parchar and other welfare of the community.

over time these masands became hungry for power and wealth, thereby started abusing the sikh community. in the name of the guru and sikhi, they would extort money from poor followers of the guru and treat them horribly. The poor people, some who lived very far from guru ji, would take the masands as the representatives of the house of guru and submit to their torture.

To ask whether guru ji was the "punishing type" is a naive question as you need to understand the history of what happened and the feeling of oneness with the sangat that guru ji demonstrated in that episode...

he teaches us that guru ki sangat is to be treated with utmost respect, he without any favouring shows that attrocities, whether conducted by the mughals or even the guru's "very own," will not be tolerated...he defended the rights of those who couldn't defend them himself...he set the record straight...

also, guru ji is the epitomy of love and mercy...for us worldy people...burning someone alive...oh that's so merciless and vengeful...however, if we reflect on it deeper, we will realize the immense mercy of the guru...in burning the masands he prevented any more abuse against his humble sikhs and also, he prevented the souls of the masands from committing more sins against humanity...

it is also noteworthy, that our guru in his divine wisdom didn't burn/punish all the massands...there were still some humble masands that did seva of the house of guru with their heads on their hands...these masands were spared...however the institution of masands was abolished at that time....

[Hardeep__singh]

and let me add to that fascists, racists, extremists and on top of all that BEVCOOOOOOOFS and MURAKHS