Pakhandi Neeldharis Doing Hindu Style Aarti In Front Of Sggsj

[GABROO KHALISTAN DAH]

b/c they are on crack man. are u seriously blind, to what is right and what is wrong. I do not care about the other sects...aarti is biggoted........it is going back to ritualisim. One place does aarti that does not make it right nor the people who do it rihgt.

I have gone to the Samadh of Baba nand Singh ji and baba ishar singh ji and saw nothing u speak off. I live in canada also, and b'n to nanaksaars here, I have also seen ntohing u speak of.

[SaRpAnCh]

When Guru's were in deh form, sikhs(devotee's) used to do arti of sri guru maharaj,

Not true all Gurus rejected this form of aarti starting from the 1st Master Guru Nanak,I cannot imagine Guru Gobind Singh Ji standing in front of a plate which is circling his face.Hazoor Sahib needs some serious changes,reason its ike this is,its far away from Panjab,and Hindu influences have crept in not to mention the dodgy nangs,who chop up innocent goats,who have done nothing to them.

[SaRpAnCh]

Aarti (Hindu Version),has no place in Sikhism,it is a useless ritual,and rituals are forbidden in Sikhism,Namdharis,Neeldharis,Radhaswamis,Udasis,and so on and ALLL the pakhandharis,as far as I am concerned are not Sikhs,including a section of the Nihangs,(Niddar Singh) types.

[N30S1NGH]

When Guru's were in deh form, sikhs(devotee's) used to do arti of sri guru maharaj,

Not true all Gurus rejected this form of aarti starting from the 1st Master Guru Nanak,I cannot imagine Guru Gobind Singh Ji standing in front of a plate which is circling his face.Hazoor Sahib needs some serious changes,reason its ike this is,its far away from Panjab,and Hindu influences have crept in not to mention the dodgy nangs,who chop up innocent goats,who have done nothing to them.

alright southall rude boi, since i have provided the references of my claim, why dont you provide references of it never happened?

you never cease to amaze me, its like as if your sikhi started from 1984..get off your gangasta sikhi and read some history for change..!

[SaRpAnCh]

Is common sense no need for references ,COMMON SENSE IS LOGIC

[N30S1NGH]

Is common sense no need for references ,COMMON SENSE IS LOGIC

Oh the great common sense factor, oh i almost forgot, in your common sense thinking how do you make 1699 mariclous event fit where sri guru gobind singh maharaj chopped off 5 heads of panj pyares and bought them back to alive? i m sure thats too irrational for you aie?

[2desi]

Wait.....Why is this "aartee" considered a "sign of respect"? How does waving candles around show respect? Why is it considered the same as bowing down to Guru Ji? Isn’t bowing down just the simple action of greeting Guru Ji, that’s why you have hands together as you approach Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, asking Guru Ji to guide you through this crazy world?

I think this “aartee” stuff is a just precursor to ritualism for the simple fact that people (by people I mean current day Sikhs) are getting lazy. The simple action of bowing down is now considered to be a sign of “Bhagatee” or devotion instead of listening and trying to understand and practice Gurbani, the message of our Gurus. That’s why you see people running out of Gurdwaras after the do “matha tek” or maybe they’ll sit for a few minutes, but only a few.

That’s why this “aartee” business makes me uncomfortable, well one side you have done the “aartee” but what have you learnt from it? How has it benefited you or guided you? If the Guru is the Shabad, then neglecting the Shabad for these additional “acts” is not right in my opinion. If ‘”aartee” or these other acts are done for the simple reason of “respect” for our Guru Ji, then why don’t we just try to respect the Shabad, the Gurbani, by actually listening and practicing?

[B4ND4]

Namastang the comparison you are making really doean't make any sense.

[N30S1NGH]

Namastang the comparison you are making really doean't make any sense.

I wasnt comparing between arti and event in 1699 but i was comparing so called common sense, and logical reasoning sikhs have adapted and start using it on every single thing in gurmat to weigh their beleif..

[N30S1NGH]

Wait.....Why is this "aartee" considered a "sign of respect"? How does waving candles around show respect? Why is it considered the same as bowing down to Guru Ji? Isn’t bowing down just the simple action of greeting Guru Ji, that’s why you have hands together as you approach Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, asking Guru Ji to guide you through this crazy world?

I think this “aartee” stuff is a just precursor to ritualism for the simple fact that people (by people I mean current day Sikhs) are getting lazy. The simple action of bowing down is now considered to be a sign of “Bhagatee” or devotion instead of listening and trying to understand and practice Gurbani, the message of our Gurus. That’s why you see people running out of Gurdwaras after the do “matha tek” or maybe they’ll sit for a few minutes, but only a few.

That’s why this “aartee” business makes me uncomfortable, well one side you have done the “aartee” but what have you learnt from it? How has it benefited you or guided you? If the Guru is the Shabad, then neglecting the Shabad for these additional “acts” is not right in my opinion. If ‘”aartee” or these other acts are done for the simple reason of “respect” for our Guru Ji, then why don’t we just try to respect the Shabad, the Gurbani, by actually listening and practicing?

why dont you stop using chaur sahib on maharaj then? surely chaur sahib its not british invented very much hindustani invented used on maharajas. oh did i just pushed the sensor of hinduphobic peeps here? oh oopppsssssssssssssssssss..lol