Sikhs Win Khalistan Debate On Bbc - Listen For Yourself

[guptveer1469]

[MOD EDITED]

but its a great step done by the uk singhs !!!

[Kharku]

we dont need khalistannnnnnnnnnnnnn

[xkaurx]

you want sikhs to carry on getting discriminated against? maybe some of us dont see the need for it because we havent experienced what people have gone through or seen innocent people and members of our family being tortured to death right infront of our very eyes, after everything thats happened how can you say we dont need it?

[SaRpAnCh]

THE RSS will be finished in the UK!!! BAN THE RSS

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THESE ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS THEY TRIED THEIR TACTICS TO DEFAME US AFTER THIS CAMPAIGN WITH THE BBC NOW THEY JUST GETTIN FRUSTRATED !!

KHALISTAN ZINDABAD DEATH TO THE RSS FANATIC TERRORISTS

[Kharku]

you want sikhs to carry on getting discriminated against? maybe some of us dont see the need for it because we havent experienced what people have gone through or seen innocent people and members of our family being tortured to death right infront of our very eyes, after everything thats happened how can you say we dont need it?

Why fight for a finger when we have the power to fight for the whole hand

[chatanga]

Why fight for a finger when we have the power to fight for the whole hand...

Why fight for the power of the hand when you could have the power of the arm?

[xkaurx]

that finger can mean a whole hand for an individual whos lost someone

[Kharku]

ok i dont know the exact saying

but it was from sant jarnail singh bhindranwale against khalistan, saying why fight for the finger or hand, when we have the power to fight for the whole hand/arm

[Nirvair S Khalsa]

SIKHS WIN KHALISTAN DEBATE ON BBC

HINDU FANATICS LOSE ARGUMENT AND RESORT TO SWEARING, NASTINESS AND TERRORISTS THREATS

On Monday 14 April the BBC decided to hold a debate on whether or not there should be a separate Sikh State, Khalistan. Nihal presented the show on BBC Asian Network between 9-10am. The two invited to speak on the subject were Jagdeesh Singh, a Sikh activist from Slough and Deshpal Panesar, an employment law barrister from London.

Jagdeesh Singh put the case for the break up of India and gave a historical Sikh perspective. Whereas Deshpal Panesar – an Indian nationalist - argued Sikhs had flourished in India, although he later admitted Sikhs had 'had a hard time'.

In total there were 19 other contributors that took part in the discussion or sent texts or emails that were read out on air. The BBC tried to ensure a balance between those for and against a separate Sikh State, but the Khalistanis clearly came out on top.

Gurjeet Singh a leading figure in the Sikh Federation (UK) and from Leicester was the first caller and described the discrimination Sikhs have experienced since 1947 and the lack of justice for the last 30 years since 13 April 1978. One thing that is often misinterpreted that both Gurjeet Singh and Jagdeesh Singh explained was that a sovereign Sikh State would be a home where people of all faiths have freedoms.

Hardeep Singh from Berkshire a graduate in Medical Biology from Brunel University in London and a media correspondent for Panjab Radio then explained the significance of the actions taken by the Indian authorities in 1984 in advancing the case for Sikh independence and Khalistan. He also corrected Nihal who in the introduction referred to Hindu/Sikh riots instead of state sponsored pogroms.

Someone from Leicester named Jagdeesh then explained he was against India breaking up and believed the status quo must be maintained. He was a poor speaker with a limited knowledge of freedom movements who not surprisingly refused to accept Sikhs and others should have the freedom to secure their independence.

Dabinderjit Singh then spoke of the broken promises to Sikhs following Indian independence and the Sikhs refusal to sign the Indian constitution that does not even recognise Sikhs as a separate faith. He argued the continued gross violation of the human rights of Sikhs in the last 30 years reinforced the need for Sikh independence. He also explained the paramount importance in the 9/11 era of Sikhs throughout the world having a Sikh voice to represent their interests. This in part addressed the presenter who asked a number of the callers if they would go and live in an independent Sikh State if it was created.

Other pro-Khalistan speakers before the debate was due to end at 10am included Harbhajan Singh from Leicester, Jagvir Singh from Bristol and Hardeep Singh from Walsall. The only other two callers were a Muslim Panjabi called Ross who argued Panjabis were already independent and someone who called himself Daljit Sahota from Derby. He said he was not in favour of Sikh independence, but also admitted he or his family had not really been impacted on by the events of 1984.

The BBC took the unusual step to extend the debate beyond 10am and invited two controversial callers called Ash and Paul. Ash a Hindu Panjabi was clearly upset and said he was opposed to the carving up of India. He said he had a nasty side and 'pledged' to take up arms that would 'make Al Qaeda look like a little baby'.

Paul then continued with a barrage of abuse towards Sikhs that had spoken in favour of Sikh independence. He called them 'crazy', 'nutters', accused them of 'talking bloody nonsense', said they should have their 'heads examined' and that they had 'mental problems'. People can listen to the programme and decide for themselves on the BBC web site by visiting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/asiannet_ao.../asiannihal_mon

The BBC also read out 6 email messages that were mostly in support of Sikh independence and the arguments that had been put forward. The debate was ended by the BBC reading out an emailed statement from Bhai Amrik Singh, the Chair of the Sikh Federation (UK), which is reproduced below:

'The Indian authorities have systematically discriminated against the Sikhs since 1947 and subverted or suppressed all legitimate political demands for greater autonomy. In the last 30 years the Indian authorities have unleashed a rein of terror through gross violation of human rights of Sikhs in an attempt to extinguish the calls for freedom and Sikh independence.

Sikhs first secured political power in the form of an independent state in 1710, after suffering centuries of foreign invasions and alien domination. The larger sovereign Sikh state was established in 1799 and was recognised by all the world powers. The Sikhs, after the two Anglo-Sikh wars, lost their kingdom and the Punjab came under British rule in 1849. However, in giving up power Sikhs were party to several Treaties with the British.

Sikhs are clear about their nationhood, but it is denied by the Indian State and the Indian political class which are not prepared to allow the Sikhs their national rights.'

Given what Nihal, the presenter who is Sri Lankan and a Buddhist, had just heard from Ash and Paul after 10am he finished by saying Bhai Amrik Singh had put the Sikh case very eloquently.

"...The day the Indian Government attacks the Golden Temple, it will be on that day the foundation stone for Khalistan will be laid..."

(The bachan of Brehamgyanee Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Jee Khalsa Bhindranwale)

[sikha]

Seriosly i dont think that people who cant manage a Gurdwara should be allowed to have it running. then its better to keep it closed down instead of all that beadbi going on inthere.