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balwinder veerjee, i agree word per word with u, u snatched away my post i wud say...i myself wonder why hindu groups dont preach gita...coz they know if they do so, they'd have ppl follow a religion that teaches something completely different from what rss/vhp are doing...nothing more to be said from my side

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for those of you who condem the hindu religion.... i really think you've missed the point then....

just because some of them are outright loathesome...doesn't mean that they are like that BECAUSE they are hindu...they just HAPPEN to be hindu....

i can name dozens of so-called amritdharee singhs who have done some really bad things....but that doesn't mean sikhi is bad...

to condem hinduism would mean that you are condemming great mahapurshes such as TL Vaswani and Parmahansa Yogananda (and all of his murshids)...

and before some of you come out and say they can't be mahapurshes cuz they aren't sikhs....do yourself a favour and read EVEN a chapter from Autobiography of a Yogi...and you'll be singing a different tune....

and to those of you who will try to claim that Parmahansa Yogananda wasn't a hindu....sorry to say but he IS a hindu and the principle scripture he followed was the Bhagvad Gita...and from what i've read..it's seems to be full of beautiful teachings....

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suixAY eIsru brmw ieMdu ]

suixAY muiK swlwhx mMdu ]

suixAY jog jugiq qin Byd ]

suixAY swsq isimRiq vyd ]

nwnk Bgqw sdw ivgwsu ]

suixAY dUK pwp kw nwsu ]9]

suniai eesar baramaa ei(n)dh ||

suniai mukh saalaahan ma(n)dh ||

suniai jog jugath than bhaedh ||

suniai saasath simrith vaedh ||

naanak bhagathaa sadhaa vigaas ||

suniai dhookh paap kaa naas ||9||

Listening-Shiva, Brahma and Indra.

Listening-even foul-mouthed people praise Him.

Listening-the technology of Yoga and the secrets of the body.

Listening-the Shaastras, the Simritees and the Vedas.

O Nanak, the devotees are forever in bliss.

Listening-pain and sin are erased. ||9||

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QwipAw n jwie kIqw n hoie ]

Awpy Awip inrMjnu soie ]

ijin syivAw iqin pwieAw mwnu ]

nwnk gwvIAY guxI inDwnu ]

gwvIAY suxIAY min rKIAY Bwau ]

duKu prhir suKu Gir lY jwie ]

gurmuiK nwdM gurmuiK vydM gurmuiK rihAw smweI ]

guru eIsru guru gorKu brmw guru pwrbqI mweI ]

jy hau jwxw AwKw nwhI khxw kQnu n jweI ]

gurw iek dyih buJweI ]

sBnw jIAw kw ieku dwqw so mY ivsir n jweI ]5]

thhaapiaa n jaae keethaa n hoe ||

aapae aap nira(n)jan soe ||

jin saeviaa thin paaeiaa maan ||

naanak gaaveeai gunee nidhhaan ||

gaaveeai suneeai man rakheeai bhaao ||

dhukh parehar sukh ghar lai jaae ||

guramukh naadha(n) guramukh vaedha(n) guramukh rehiaa samaaee ||

gur eesar gur gorakh baramaa gur paarabathee maaee ||

jae ho jaanaa aakhaa naahee kehanaa kathhan n jaaee ||

guraa eik dhaehi bujhaaee ||

sabhanaa jeeaa kaa eik dhaathaa so mai visar n jaaee ||5||

He cannot be established, He cannot be created.

He Himself is Immaculate and Pure.

Those who serve Him are honored.

O Nanak, sing of the Lord, the Treasure of Excellence.

Sing, and listen, and let your mind be filled with love.

Your pain shall be sent far away, and peace shall come to your home.

The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.

The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi.

Even knowing God, I

cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words.

The Guru has given me this one understanding:

there is only the One, the Giver of all souls. May I never forget Him! ||5||

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isrIrwgu mhlw 1 ]

gur qy inrmlu jwxIAY inrml dyh srIru ]

inrmlu swco min vsY so jwxY AB pIr ]

shjY qy suKu Aglo nw lwgY jm qIru ]1]

BweI ry mYlu nwhI inrml jil nwie ]

inrmlu swcw eyku qU horu mYlu BrI sB jwie ]1] rhwau ]

hir kw mMdru sohxw kIAw krxYhwir ]

riv sis dIp AnUp joiq iqRBvix joiq Apwr ]

hwt ptx gV koTVI scu saudw vwpwr ]2]

igAwn AMjnu BY BMjnw dyKu inrMjn Bwie ]

gupqu pRgtu sB jwxIAY jy mnu rwKY Twie ]

AYsw siqguru jy imlY qw shjy ley imlwie ]3]

kis ksvtI lweIAY prKy ihqu icqu lwie ]

Koty Taur n pwienI Kry KjwnY pwie ]

Aws AMdysw dUir kir ieau mlu jwie smwie ]4]

suK kau mwgY sBu ko duKu n mwgY koie ]

suKY kau duKu Aglw mnmuiK bUJ n hoie ]

suK duK sm kir jwxIAih sbid Byid suKu hoie ]5]

bydu pukwry vwcIAY bwxI bRhm ibAwsu ]

muin jn syvk swiDkw nwim rqy guxqwsu ]

sic rqy sy ijix gey hau sd bilhwrY jwsu ]6]

chu juig mYly mlu Bry ijn muiK nwmu n hoie ]

BgqI Bwie ivhUixAw muhu kwlw piq Koie ]

ijnI nwmu ivswirAw Avgx muTI roie ]7]

Kojq Kojq pwieAw fru kir imlY imlwie ]

Awpu pCwxY Gir vsY haumY iqRsnw jwie ]

nwnk inrml aUjly jo rwqy hir nwie ]8]7]

Siree Raag, First Mehl:

Through the Guru, the Pure One is known, and the human body becomes pure as well.

The Pure, True Lord abides within the mind; He knows the pain of our hearts.

With intuitive ease, a great peace is found, and the arrow of death shall not strike you. ||1||

O Siblings of Destiny, filth is washed away by bathing in the Pure Water of the Name.

You alone are Perfectly Pure, O True Lord; all oth

er places are filled with filth. ||1||Pause||

The Temple of the Lord is beautiful; it was made by the Creator Lord.

The sun and the moon are lamps of incomparably beautiful light. Throughout the three worlds, the Infinite Light is pervading.

In the shops of the city of the body, in the fortresses and in the huts, the True Merchandise is traded. ||2||

The ointment of spiritual wisdom is the destroyer of fear; through love, the Pure One is seen.

The mysteries of the seen and the unseen are all known, if the mind is kept centered and balanced.

If one finds such a True Guru, the Lord is met with intuitive ease. ||3||

He draws us to His Touchstone, to test our love and consciousness.

The counterfeit have no place there, but the genuine are placed in His Treasury.

Let your hopes and anxieties depart; thus pollution is washed away. ||4||

Everyone begs for happiness; no one asks for suffering.

But in the wake of happiness, there comes great suffering. The self-willed manmukhs do not understand this.

Those who see pain and pleasure as one and the same find peace; they are pierced through by the Shabad. ||5||

The Vedas proclaim, and the words of Vyaasa tell us,

that the silent sages, the servants of the Lord, and those who practice a life of spiritual discipline are attuned to the Naam, the Treasure of Excellence.

Those who are attuned to the True Name win the game of life; I am forever a sacrifice to them. ||6||

Those who do not have the Naam in their mouths are filled with pollution; they are filthy throughout the four ages.

Without loving devotion to God, their faces are blackened, and their honor is lost.

Those who have forgotten the Naam are plundered by evil; they weep and wail in dismay. ||7||

I searched and searched, and found God. In the Fear of God, I have been united in His Union.

Through self-realization,

people dwell within the home of their inner being; egotism and desire depart.

O Nanak, those who are attuned to the Name of the Lord are immaculate and radiant. ||8||7||

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pauVI ]

spq dIp spq swgrw nv KMf cwir vyd ds Ast purwxw ]

hir sBnw ivic qUM vrqdw hir sBnw Bwxw ]

siB quJY iDAwvih jIA jMq hir swrg pwxw ]

jo gurmuiK hir AwrwDdy iqn hau kurbwxw ]

qUM Awpy Awip vrqdw kir coj ivfwxw ]4]

pourree ||

sapath dheep sapath saagaraa nav kha(n)dd chaar vaedh dhas asatt puraanaa ||

har sabhanaa vich thoo(n) varathadhaa har sabhanaa bhaanaa ||

sabh thujhai dhhiaavehi jeea ja(n)th har saarag paanaa ||

jo guramukh har aaraadhhadhae thin ho kurabaanaa ||

thoo(n) aapae aap varathadhaa kar choj viddaanaa ||4||


The seven islands, seven seas, nine continents, four Vedas and eighteen Puraanas

O Lord, You pervade and permeate all. Lord, everyone loves You.

All beings and creatures meditate on You, Lord. You hold the earth in Your Hands.

I am a sacrifice to those Gurmukhs who worship and adore the Lord.

You Yourself are All-pervading; You stage this wondrous drama! ||4||

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rwmklI mhlw 5 ]

koeI bolY rwm rwm koeI Kudwie ]

koeI syvY guseIAw koeI Alwih ]1]

kwrx krx krIm ]

ikrpw Dwir rhIm ]1] rhwau ]

koeI nwvY qIriQ koeI hj jwie ]

koeI krY pUjw koeI isru invwie ]2]

koeI pVY byd koeI kqyb ]

koeI EFY nIl koeI supyd ]3]

koeI khY qurku koeI khY ihMdU ]

koeI bwCY iBsqu koeI surigMdU ]4]

khu nwnk ijin hukmu pCwqw ]

pRB swihb kw iqin Bydu jwqw ]5]9]

raamakalee mehalaa 5 ||

koee bolai raam raam koee khudhaae ||

koee saevai guseeaa koee alaahi ||1||

kaaran karan kareem ||

kirapaa dhhaar reheem ||1|| rehaao ||

koee naavai theerathh koee haj jaae ||

koee karai poojaa koee sir nivaae ||2||

koee parrai baedh koee kathaeb ||

koee oudtai neel koee supaedh ||3||

koee kehai thurak koee kehai hi(n)dhoo ||

koee baashhai bhisath koee suragi(n)dhoo ||4||

kahu naanak jin hukam pashhaathaa ||

prabh saahib kaa thin bhaedh jaathaa ||5||9||

Raamkalee, Fifth Mehl:

Some call Him, 'Raam, Raam', and some call Him, 'Khudaa-i'.

Some serve Him as 'Gusain', others as 'Allaah'. ||1||

He is the Cause of causes, the Generous Lord.

He showers His Grace and Mercy upon us. ||1||Pause||

Some bathe at sacred shrines of pilgrimage, and some make the pilgrimage to Mecca.|

Some per

form devotional worship services, and some bow their heads in prayer. ||2||

Some read the Vedas, and some the Koran.

Some wear blue robes, and some wear white. ||3||

Some call themselves Muslim, and some call themselves Hindu.

Some yearn for paradise, and others long for heaven. ||4||

Says Nanak, one who realizes the Hukam of God's Will,

knows the secrets of his Lord and Master. ||5||9||

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".... Indra raped Ahalya and was cursed by her husband, the sage Gautama, to lose all his prosperity ...." -- Brahmavaivarta Purana 4:47:11-45.

goqmu qpw AihilAw iesqRI iqsu dyiK ieMdRü luBwieAw ]

gotham thapaa ahiliaa eisathree this dhaekh ei(n)dhra lubhaaeiaa ||

Ahalyaa was the wife of Gautam the seer. Seeing her, Indra was enticed.

shs srIr ichn Bg hUey qw min pCoqwieAw ]1]

sehas sareer chihan bhag hooeae thaa man pashhothaaeiaa ||1||

When he received a thousand marks of disgrace on his body, then he felt regret in his mind. ||1||

khalsa bir again thank you for the one out of many qoutes on indra in guru granth sahib however you missed more on the subject.

As mentioned before Guru Sahib talkes about dieties in various tones in guru granth sahib ji in one hand they are nothing helpless waiting for death as a normal human, doing gahltis, in another they are given a place as meditating upon God it is important to see the various sides as opposed to the one khal

sa bir provides who attempting to show a static position as well as misrepresenting data from a third source claiming indra "raped" ahilya, however the guru granth sahib states "lust overpowereed her" in the first example given below.

This is why i keep saying khalsa look at the guru granth sahib ji and if your third sources do not tally with that your making a joke out yourself. Then out of your paranoid fury your accusing me of being rss but you left yourself open to question interpreting "equal consumation" as "rape".???hmm whats is the dictionary reference of rape? .

Now going by your description of accusing everyone of being rss just because they wont accept one line as a final answer and give you back more info from the same source from varied angles than just 1 line you give we too cud say your rss whom rejects 10 more examples of gurbani, who is more rss by your own definitions here than me or you? lol

fyi i aint even seen one hindu who worships indra.

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 10

gotham naar ahiliaa thisano(n) dhaekh ei(n)dhr lobhaanaa||

Ahalya was wife of Gautam. But when she set eyes Indhar, the king of gods, lust overpowered her.

par gar jaae saraap lai hoe sehas bhag pashhothaanaa||

He entered their house, got curse of being with thousands of pudendums and repented.

su(n)n(j)aa hoaa ei(n)dhralok lukiaa saravar man sharamaanaa||

The Indralok (abode of Indr) became desolate and getting ashamed of himself he hid in a pond.

sehas bhagahu loein sehas lai(n)adhoee ei(n)dhrapuree sidhhaanaa||

On revocation of the curse when all those holes became eyes, only then he returned to his habitat.

sathee sathahu(n) ttal silaa hoe nadhee kinaarae baajh paraanaa||

Ahalya who could not remain steadfast in her chastity became stone and remained lying on the river bank

raghupath charan shhuha(n)dhiaa chalee suragapur banae bibaanaa|


Touching the (holy) feet of Ram she was lifted to the heavens.

bhagath vashhal bhalaaeeahu(n) pathith oudhhaaran paap kamaanaa||

Because of His benevolence He is mother-like to the devotees and being forgiver of the sinners He is called redeemer of the fallen ones.

gunano(n) gun sabhako karai aougan keethae gun this jaanaa||

Doing good is returned by good gestures always, but he who does good to the evil is known as virtuous.

avigath gath kiaa aakh vakhaanaa ||aa||

How can I explain the greatness of that unmanifest (Lord).

1)This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Jap on Pannaa 6

gaavehi ei(n)dh eidhaasan bait(h)ae dhaevathiaa dhar naalae ||

ndra, seated upon His Throne, sings with the deities at Your Door.

gaavehi sidhh samaadhhee a(n)dhar gaavan saadhh vichaarae ||

The Siddhas in Samaadhi sing; the Saadhus sing in contemplation.

2)This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Maajh on Pannaa 130

saadhhik sidhh jisai ko firadhae ||

The One who is sought by the Siddhas and the seekers,

brehamae ei(n)dhr dhhiaaein hiradhae ||

upon whom Brahma and Indra meditate within their hearts,

ott thaetheesaa khojehi thaa ko gur mil hiradhai gaavaniaa ||2||

whom the three hundred thirty million demi-gods search for-meeting the Guru, one comes to sing His Praises within the heart. ||2||

3)This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Aasaa on Pannaa 347

gaavanih thudhhano eesar brehamaa dhaevee sohan thaerae sadhaa savaarae ||

Shiva and Brahma and the Goddess Parvaati, so beautiful and ever adorned by You, sing to You.

gaavanih thudhhano ei(n)dhr ei(n)dhraasan bait(h)ae dhaevathiaa dhar naalae ||

The Indras, seated upon their celestial thrones, with the deities at Your Gate, sing to You.

gaavanih thudhhano sidhh samaadhhee a(n)dhar gaavanih thudhhano saadhh beechaarae


The Siddhas in Samaadhi sing to You, and the Holy Saints, in their contemplative meditation, sing to You.

4)This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Aasaa on Pannaa 455

kott ei(n)dhr anaek dhaevaa japath suaamee jai jai kaar ||

Millions of Indras and countless gods and super-human beings meditate on the Lord Master and celebrate His Praises.

anaathh naathh dhaeiaal naanak saadhhasa(n)gath mil oudhhaar ||2||

The Merciful Lord is the Master of the masterless, O Nanak; joining the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, one is saved. ||2||

5)This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Gujri on Pannaa 500

breham lok ar rudhr lok aaee ei(n)dhr lok thae dhhaae ||

come running here.

saadhhasa(n)gath ko johi n saakai mal mal dhhovai paae ||1||

But she cannot touch the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy; she washes and massages their feet.

6)This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Dayv Gandhaaree on Pannaa 534

raaj n chaaho mukath n chaaho man preeth charan kamalaarae ||

I do not seek power, and I do not seek liberation. My mind is in love with Your Lotus Feet.

breham mehaes sidhh mun ei(n)dhraa mohi t(h)aakur hee dharasaarae ||1||

Brahma, Shiva, the Siddhas, the silent sages and Indra - I seek only the Blessed Vision of my Lord and Master's Darshan. ||1||

7)This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Maaroo on Pannaa 998

poun paanee baisa(n)thar ddarapai ddarapai ei(n)dhra bichaaraa ||1||

Wind, water and fire abide in the Fear of God; poor Indra abides in the Fear of God as well.

eaekaa nirabho baath sunee ||

I have heard one thing, that the One Lord alone is fearless.

8)This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Saarang on Pannaa 1232

sanak sanaadh brehamaadh ei(n)dhraadhik bhagath rathae ban aaee ||

Sanak and Sa

nandan, Brahma and Indra, were imbued with devotional worship, and came to be in harmony with Him.

naanak har bin gharee n jeevaa(n) har kaa naam vaddaaee ||8||1||

O Nanak, without the Lord, I cannot live, even for an instant. The Name of the Lord is glorious and great. ||8||1||

i dont think you understand khalsa rss dont give a cats whiskers about religion you can do the same gunth they do all day long 1 your just making yourself look no better than them 2 put yourself in their shoes they do propg not 4 religion but for dodgy reasons they dont giv a toss about principles do you think their gonna be praying lol. most of india is rural unpahd this gives rss the perfect chance.

look their annoying people heartless horrible twisted stay away from them cos youl jus feel like killin em. whatever good you can do in the limited time guru ji gives in this jeevan benefit the sikh quam the rss are never going to back off in their nasha backed by a halimi raj. they think they own everything. This will only change when the day of the khalsa comes. The time when the khalsa take charge , take what rightfully belongs to it as per the rightful heir of india with its 92% pre india sacrifices. Thats when the rss which is built neither on naam bani or ras will evaporate when the khalsa comes together and thunders.

in order for that practically step by step we need numbers, unity look around what we got? we need to build upon each other as a community strentgh pull into one direction. Ladder singh mate you cant climb the top until u take the first few steps, thats why seva parchar comes first that kind of seva that will bring our lost brothers and sisters to the fold of sikhi, when as a community we are strong enough the Khalsa will take what belongs to it thats the whole of india as per the khalsa sacrifices.

you can in your bir ras go bombay kill a few shiv senas, run a few websites exposing vedas lol whats that gonna achieve? or

seva of the right thing that produces more sikhs where its really needed thats more valuable in the long run for the sikh community so we collectively can move towards the panthic goal.

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