Sikhs And Unity In The Uk

[PL2009]

1. lol i'm still laughing

2. the bbc is not run by the govt.

3. its a shame you think so.

4. err no they dont. not yet anyway. the future will be interesting though. what will the mighty canuck sikhs do being caught between muslim immigrants and the russians? lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism_in_United_Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism_in_Canada

so there you go. a higher proportion of sikhs in canada. they are also more concentrated.

5. no one said it.

6. i read the marriage thing in a paper when i was in canada.

the gang statistics is true. get the crime figures and then look at canadian casualties in the war.

as for the drug pushing ask some of your friends. if you have any. also have you ever been in a fight? ever had to fight half a dozen skinheads in a subway on your way home from school and beaten them to a pulp? ever gone to a friends house in hounslow and beaten up 3 kaleh who tried to mug you? ever grew up in a school which is 40% muslim and fought every day of every year? no? of course not. you canadians are all talk. this thread was about british sikhs. if you dont want to associate with us then go.

i wont bother arguing this as your obviously a bigot and not worth my time. i've said what i had to say.

Seriously, why am I wasting my time with you?

Anyway, I am not going to bother arguing with you anymore, but I answer some of your questions.

1. I went to school were majority of students were Muslims (Afghan, Somalis and North Africans)

2. I was born and raised in Rexdale (a heavy populated "kala" ghetto/hood)

3. Skinheads don't exist in Toronto because they'll get their butts kicked in city like Toronto.

[PL2009]

So a Canadian Sikh took on 4 Muslims at same time?

no, he thought they wouldnt fight. then they battered him. then he ran off back to canada. pretty simple if you read the article.

Anyway, Punjabi-Canadians can easily beat crap outta British Asian (sikh, muslim, hindu etc...).

A lot of British Asian males are small (not too many 6 feet+ British Asian) while majority of Punjabi Canadian males are over 6 feet tall. If you don't believe me, then ask anyone who has been to Canada.

i'm sorry but now you sound like those gimpy hindu punjabi canadians who get all their battles fought by sikhs. stop spreading hate. i've been to canada and i couldnt stop laughing. most people view canadians dimly in the rest of the world, that now seems to apply to both the white and sikh population there.

There's more Sikhs in UK than in Canada. The reason why Punjabi Canadians aren't challenged anymore because people fear us. Sadly, Punjabi Canadians got a bad/violent rep due to Punjabi street gangs and Air India bombing.

there are 278,000 sikhs in canada. there are 380,000 sikhs in britain. canada has a population of 33 million. britain has a population of 64 million. go and do the maths. also sikhs are more spread out in britain. if we concentrated ourselves in 2 minicolonies then we would 'run ****' as you lot say.

EXACTLY!!!

I can't believe people are even questioning our gene pool. Where I am from, majority of Punjabi males are over 6 feet tall and weight about 180-200 lbs. I don't understand where this gene pool talk is coming from.

USA Sikhs face the same problems like UK sikhs.

its part of epigenetics. have a look on wikipedia or a proper textbook. genes is not all about height and weight, study a bit more about it. i was going to go into a lengthy explanation with an analogy but most people wont get it and just accuse me of this or that so i wont bother.

There are about 300,000 Sikhs living in Canada overall. In Toronto, Sikhs don't make up majority of South Asian community. In fact, I believe Muslims make up majority of South Asian population in Toronto. But yet none of them wouldn't have the balls to start a war against us Punjabis.

http://www.torontomuslims.com/thinking/muslimsincanada.asp

^worrying trends. its only recently musis have outpopulated you. it wont be long before they use those numbers. oh well.

Don't blame your genes.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/blipton.htm

Conquer your mind, Conquer the world.

no one ever said genetics is the sole cause of anything in your life. thats just dumb to believe. epigenetics explains how it works, and the the guy you mentioned is just getting fame and money off people's simple beliefs and lack of understanding of how science affects our lives.

Also why do i feel so much animosity from our canadian brethren? were we not from the same stock 50 years ago? are we not still the same? in times of trouble we will only have each other!

canada is a more dangerous country to live in then england, and its not a good thing, http://www.theprovince.com/news/South+Vanc...1497/story.html

these guys right here responsible for 100 shootings thats probably more gun crime then all of europe combined has had in past 2 years

and its true the desis in england are alot smaller then the desis in canada, someone who is considered big in england is average in size in canada, plus in most canadian city's the muslims outnumber the sikhs but its not pakistanis its afghans and middle eastern arabs who are alot crazier then pakis and in alot of the canadian city's like edmonton the afghans and arabs usually try staying away from messing with the punjabis even though they outnumber the punjabis and thats cause the punjabis in edmonton will fight with knives and guns and in vancouver no way is any arab or persian or afghan going to want to mess with a punjabi they won't even think about it.

their is no canadian city were punjabis are the biggest population, in toronto the jamacans and muslims out number the punjabis in vancouver huge middle eastern population of persians and afghans and iraqis and the chineese make up the biggest minority in vancouver and lets not forget the huge italian and eastern european population in vancouver and other minority's, so i don't know what you were trying to prove, plus edmonton calgary winnipeg montreal have punjabis but their population is small considered to the muslims blacks and other minority's living in those city's in canada

and if all the pakistanis moved from england to canada they would run back to pakistan if the extremists tried attacking the sikh community, let me put it this way the pakistanis can come in packs and outnumber the punjabis all they want it isn't going to matter cause the punjabis are alot crazier and bigger and they'll fight with guns and knives they can jump a guy 10 on 1 but all the fights would lead to shootings in clubs and restaurants, but i do know groups like shere punjab were pretty crazy back in the day at teaching the pakistanis lessons

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/internati...-round-2-a.html

but some of the punjabis in toronto are a little softer alot of them are scared of tamils and so on, the punjabis in vancouver are mental, i can think of a dozen punjabis if they had gone to england and 4-8 pakis tried jumping them they would be more then happy to fight with them it wouldn't bother them, and chances are they would be carrying a shank on them anyways even if their in england and would shank 4-5 pakis while being jumped

in city's like vancouver edmonton and so on in canada the punjabis carry a bigger bravado and soldier attitude then the desis in england, alot of the guys from here will fight and if they get jumped chances are theirs going to be a shooting

Punjabis in Toronto are scared of Tamils?! LMAO! You should ask old tamil tigers about Punjabi Mafia in Toronto. In Toronto, Punjabis are outnumbered by everybody (muslims, blacks, italians), but yet, we manage to hold our own.

As for rest of your post, I agree with you 100%. The problem with England is that they're too PC and don't have the balls to stand up against Muslim exterimists who have hijacked their country. I guess the blame should go to England's government for letting these exterimists into their country.

[Ranjeet]

Ah the perennial post about wussy UK Sikhs and why they are always getting bashed up!

The Canadian Sikh community is far more politically cohesive and assertive than the UK community. If we want to talk about Canada's muslim community we have to focus on the particular segment of the muslim community that would be interrelated to Sikhs that would be the Pakistani community and if we have to talk about the particular segment of the Pakistani community that would have the most hatred for Sikhs and that would be the Mirpuri/Rawalpindi/Islamabad area basically that particular part of the Potohar region of the Punjab that always bent over when the Afghans/Pathans came across the Attock river. How many of those people live in Canada? As far as I am aware, the majority of the muslims in Vancouver are of the Shia variety, the South asian shia seem to be the Gujurati Ismaelis, who probably interesting making money than fighting.

Toronto I am not too sure about, however I know of that there have been mass influx of muslims post 911 from the US. There has to be a breakdown of the composition of the muslim community, not just this generic South Asian banding, the Pakistanis from Lahore and the central tracts of Pakistani Punjab would have less reason to fight Sikhs, it would be the goat herding Potohar region folk that we would have to be wary of.

As long as Sikhs keep their aggression (as Canadian Sikhs have), this would always keep the "Bhaijans" on the back foot and know their place.

UK Sikh through education and upwardly mobileness has lost this aggression, we are too interested in material wealth to worry about unity, only time will tell when the political environment changes in the UK, I beleive that slowly but surely the UK society is swinging to the right (particularly if this recession gets worse), the PC liberalness that the Abduls have managed to exploit will surely get unravelled as the White Indigenous population is the largest voting bank and Labour and the Tory parties cannot ignore this voting bank, that is when all the vulnerablilites and strengths of the Uk community will be plain to see. What will our community do, will they fight or take flight?

I would like to see how brave the muslim community would be if the whites were united in their thousands attacked muslim areas with no political correctness to hold them back, would they start using thier "Al taqiya" and "Hudabiya" tactics ( THis would probable p*** off the Muslim lurkers on this forum, you know this to be true even you say allah di kasmeh a thousand times)

Our Uk community is so stupid that they have not been able to take their material wealth and upwardly mobileness to the next level, surely if you don't want to fight with fists, learn from the Jews and that is to influence things from a political level and remain economically dominant and get others to do your bidding for you, unfortunately our people have not learnt that yet, if you cannot fight your enemies on the street, fight them legally, politically economically.

THe thing is that the Canadian Sikh community has done a far better job in the upper levels as well as the street level as they have far better awareness of their heritage.

In my opinion when push comes to shove, middle class people vote with their feet, I believe that in the coming years I think that the trickle of British Sikhs leaving the Uk will be a flood when the Uk government starts imposing tougher legislation against "Asian" people (this of course would muslim but somehow we will get entangled)

[HSD*^]

We need some John Connor's! lol

nah, if there arent enough singhs willing to do it we'll have to build robots instead. arnie with a nihang turban anyone?

oh and pl2009, the reason your not wasting your time is because you cant answer my points and want to turn this into a dragged out argument. so take your 'rep' and go 'run ****' somewhere.

[virk30]

if the pakistanis from england all moved to canada and tried that stuff in canada, their would be a paki genocide, but if they move to western canada into city's like vancovuer edmonton and calgary, and its true punjaibs from canada are alot bigger in size then the once from england, someone who is considered big in england is average in canada

but in city's like edmonton and calgary their are alot more muslims then their our sikhs and its mostly afghans and they have no like for sikhs but to scared to say anything

but with sikh girls running away from home with muslims it is begining to happen in canada to

[virk30]

why not get everyone to join the army, your trained to handle high stress situation and war and trained to kill and combat

[Ranjeet]

why not get everyone to join the army, your trained to handle high stress situation and war and trained to kill and combat

It's not going to happen, the UK Sikhs could easily sort out the Paki problem, all it takes is to have a stomach to fight and to forget about the consequences (like willing to go to jail for gbh), the Pakis would quickly go into Hudabiyya mode.

You see in Uk, when Pakis attack Sikhs, no mention of the attacks in the media, if Sikhs retailiate then the media would report it as Sikh-Muslim tension.

In the UK there have been many times where Sikhs have sorted out the Pakis, the Pakis lay low for a couple of years and start again, this is because the cocky Paki who eventually gets his comeuppance is replaced by another cocky young Paki(normally a younger cousin or brother), because in the Paki community a drug dealing, benefit scrounging, Sikh girl harassing pimping Paki is seen as a role model. We need to break this cycle.

The PWA (Pakistani Welfare Association), Mosque leaders (all their elders) and all their younger ranks all the way down to the wombs of the female cousins from Pakistan they get married to and impregnate in order to increase their numbers) are all in it together, our elders cannot be bothered.

The problem with the Sikh community inthe UK is that we are not proactive, we are reactive, if there are big fights between Pakis and Sikhs and we win, we have to keep the pressure on the younger ranks (the 9,10, 11 year old Paki boys) as they will be the next lot to cause the problems.

[HSD*^]

why not get everyone to join the army, your trained to handle high stress situation and war and trained to kill and combat

good idea.

as for the pakis its all about what people can be bothered to do. like it wouldnt be hard for me to pretend to be muslim, create a few false facebook pages, rent an expensive car through my cousins dodgy car business and chase after muslim girls all day and sell drugs all night. but i'm not going to do that. if only there was a way we could get all the pakis in britain to piss off to canuckistan and let our giant muscle bound colonial cousins teach them a lesson. do scroungers get more benefits over there?

[Ranjeet]

A sign of things to come! The cockier the Pakis become, the bigger the backlash will be!

Question is, how will this impact us as we may get tarred with the same brush.

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Nine arrested after masked mob's march against Muslim extremists turns violent

By Claire Ellicott

Last updated at 3:55 PM on 25th May 2009

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Nine people have been arrested after hundreds of anti-Islamist protesters clashed with police yesterday.

The streets of Luton descended into violence after demonstrators, many hiding their faces behind balaclavas, brandished England flags and chanted at officers.

A group called March for England was said to have organised the rally as a peaceful protest against Muslim extremists. They were joined by a local group United People of Luton.

Two of those arrested have been charged: one man for possessing an offensive weapon after stones were found in his pockets, and a woman was charged with breaching an anti-social behaviour order.

Another man was fined £80 for a public order offence.

The other six people, all men, have been bailed without charge pending further inquiries.

During the protest, the mob, which included teenagers and women, held banners with slogans such as 'No Sharia Law in the UK' and 'Respect our Troops'.

Some protesters wore masks with the horned face of Sayful Islam, a local hardline political agitator who led Muslim demonstrators in an anti-war protest during the Royal Anglian Regiment's homecoming parade in Luton in March.

But chaos broke out when a crowd of around 500 ran away from police who had been escorting the protest along its route, and ran down side streets towards the town centre.

Officers on horseback and police dogs were deployed, and policemen drew batons to defend themselves.

Groups of young men in balaclavas and England shirts chanted outside the city centre and one balacava-clad protester held a Rottweiler on a chain, while others clashed with police in riot gear.

One Asian man was hit across the face with a banner and left with a bloody nose.

Focus of hate: Sayful Islam used to be a moderate Muslim from Luton

Police said during the disturbance three car windscreens were smashed and a window at a take away restaurant in Chapel Street had been broken.

Last night Luton town centre was calm as police maintained a presence on the streets.

A spokesman for United People of Luton, Wayne King, said many people in Luton were concerned and annoyed that the Muslim community in the town had not taken steps to deal with Sayful Islam's 'hate-filled preachings'.

The 24-year-old, who wore a T-shirt with the words 'No surrender to Al-Qaeda' on it, said: 'We decided enough was enough after the soldiers got heckled as they marched through the town centre by the Muslim extremists.

'Our community has been racially attacked for the last 10 years.

'A mosque in the town got set on fire a few weeks ago and it made national news but churches in Luton are regularly being set fire to.

'We want laws brought in to stop preachers of hate operating here.'

Luton town centre was busy at the time of the riot with shoppers enjoying the sunshine.

Many of those who joined in the march had been drinking in town centre pubs.

Later on, overhead, a police helicopter monitored the movement of the mob which at one point appeared to be making in the direction of Bury Park, an area of Luton where many of the town's Asian population live.

Riot: Demonstrators gathered in George Square in Luton town centre yesterday over the anti-war protest held against the Royal Anglian Regiment in March

Looking for trouble: Protesters in Luton's city centre yesterday stormed the streets wearing balaclavas

[PL2009]

We need some John Connor's! lol

nah, if there arent enough singhs willing to do it we'll have to build robots instead. arnie with a nihang turban anyone?

oh and pl2009, the reason your not wasting your time is because you cant answer my points and want to turn this into a dragged out argument. so take your 'rep' and go 'run ****' somewhere.

Yes, the great points you make like how 50% Sikh Canadians marry non-sikhs without giving any source to back up your claims. :rolleyes:

Just read the other posts here and see how many of them are not agreeing with your views as well.

Remember that I am not only one here who disagree with your views/points.