Sikhs And Unity In The Uk

[HSD*^]

Point is that he fought back. I am sure if it was an UK sikh, then he would have ran away from muslims and left the girls there alone.

no he never. read the damn article. or does it hurt your pride too much?

Hindu Punjabi? What a cheap shot! You mean Sikhs as in Singhs or Monas? When I say Punjabis, I am talking about monas here.

Anyway, I don't know what part Canada you visited, but if you came to Toronto (especially Brampton) you wouldn't find too many small and weak Punjabis.

BTW, Canadians are view dimly by the world? Lol

Obviously the world never watch Ice Hockey or Canadian football before. But then, who cares what rest of world think about us. I am sure if you were to ask NATO about Canadian troops, they'll say nothing but praise them.

i have relatives in bloody brampton. the place is a joke. why you people like the ghetto mentality i'll never understand.

lol nato nations laugh at the canadian armed forces. especially now that the russians are making noises about the north pole.

There's actually 750,000 Sikhs in UK

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/318934.stm

Anyway, you can find Sikhs all over Canada. Besides, Southall and Birmingham (plus areas around Birmingham) have a very large Sikh population. So you can't use that excuse for your weaknesses.

actually according to the 2001 census there are 336000 sikh in britain. i doubt that figure doubled in 8 years. so go and do the maths. also southall and birmingham arent as concentrated as the vc or toronto.

Muslims have always outnumbered us, but yet, they never dare to touch us. In fact, most of them always suck up to us every time they get into fights. Come to Mississauga and see what I am talking about here.

lol, your not good with numbers so dont be offended if i dont believe you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism_in_Canada

We are not same people! Sikh Canadians are usually made up by Jatts who came from straight from pind unlike UK Sikh community where there is mix of non-jatt and jatt Sikhs who came from urban India and Africa.

my grandparents came 'straight from the pind'. god you are so full of rubbish. no wonder you lot are so infiltrated by the hindustanis. your starting to talk like them. and when did caste come into this. i have a jatt background but one of my friends has a ramgarhia background and he's built like a tank. his dad used to get in fights with skinhead gangs and put a lot of them in intensive care. so take your prejudice and go.

To people who said height doesn't matter when comes to fight: you guys are right. The point I was making was physically, we are not weak people. Our gene pool isn't bad what some of posters here were making out to be.

who said the gene pool was bad? how can a gene pool even be 'bad'? you really have no idea what your on about do you?

Because you guys are ruining our rep. If a person was reading these threads on this website, he/she will actually think Sikhs are weak and Sikh girls are w*****s because the things going down in UK Sikh community.

You guys have disgrace Sikh community. Everytime I go onto social desi website, I always read how UK Sikhs are weak and how they get their butts kicked by muslims, blacks, whites and even hindus. Because of you guys, people assume non-british sikhs are weak as well, which isn't true at all.

50% of sikhs in canada get married to non-sikhs.

more sikhs die in gang violence than canadian troops have died in the war on terror.

gang culture forces young sikh girls to become drug pushers.

high level of alcohol consumption.

heavy infiltration by hindu and hindustani agencies

the list could go on. who's got the bad rep then? at least british sikhs face their problems and overcome them. we dont sit in our ghettoes laughing that 'no one can start a war with us'.

[Harjeet.Singh]

[PL2009]

Dude, stop wasting my time.

1. Nato laughing at Canada? Stop making stuff up.

2. BBC is run by the government, right? So I will take their word over yours.

3. Just because you're jatt doesn't change the fact that UK Sikh community isn't same as Canadian Sikh community.

4. Muslims outnumber us? So what? What is your point? They got the numbers, but yet, they haven't done anything to us. How come?

5. "who said the gene pool was bad?" You haven't been paying attention to this thread.

6. "50% of sikhs in canada get married to non-sikhs." Source?

"gang culture forces young sikh girls to become drug pushers." Source?

"heavy infiltration by hindu and hindustani agencies" Again, stop making up stuff. A lot of hindus don't even like us since Canada is fulled with Khalistani supporters.

And yeah, we got a gang problem, but at least I would rather have that problem than getting my butt kicked by Muslims. :lol:

[virk30]

So a Canadian Sikh took on 4 Muslims at same time?

no, he thought they wouldnt fight. then they battered him. then he ran off back to canada. pretty simple if you read the article.

Anyway, Punjabi-Canadians can easily beat crap outta British Asian (sikh, muslim, hindu etc...).

A lot of British Asian males are small (not too many 6 feet+ British Asian) while majority of Punjabi Canadian males are over 6 feet tall. If you don't believe me, then ask anyone who has been to Canada.

i'm sorry but now you sound like those gimpy hindu punjabi canadians who get all their battles fought by sikhs. stop spreading hate. i've been to canada and i couldnt stop laughing. most people view canadians dimly in the rest of the world, that now seems to apply to both the white and sikh population there.

There's more Sikhs in UK than in Canada. The reason why Punjabi Canadians aren't challenged anymore because people fear us. Sadly, Punjabi Canadians got a bad/violent rep due to Punjabi street gangs and Air India bombing.

there are 278,000 sikhs in canada. there are 380,000 sikhs in britain. canada has a population of 33 million. britain has a population of 64 million. go and do the maths. also sikhs are more spread out in britain. if we concentrated ourselves in 2 minicolonies then we would 'run ****' as you lot say.

EXACTLY!!!

I can't believe people are even questioning our gene pool. Where I am from, majority of Punjabi males are over 6 feet tall and weight about 180-200 lbs. I don't understand where this gene pool talk is coming from.

USA Sikhs face the same problems like UK sikhs.

its part of epigenetics. have a look on wikipedia or a proper textbook. genes is not all about height and weight, study a bit more about it. i was going to go into a lengthy explanation with an analogy but most people wont get it and just accuse me of this or that so i wont bother.

There are about 300,000 Sikhs living in Canada overall. In Toronto, Sikhs don't make up majority of South Asian community. In fact, I believe Muslims make up majority of South Asian population in Toronto. But yet none of them wouldn't have the balls to start a war against us Punjabis.

http://www.torontomuslims.com/thinking/muslimsincanada.asp

^worrying trends. its only recently musis have outpopulated you. it wont be long before they use those numbers. oh well.

Don't blame your genes.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/blipton.htm

Conquer your mind, Conquer the world.

no one ever said genetics is the sole cause of anything in your life. thats just dumb to believe. epigenetics explains how it works, and the the guy you mentioned is just getting fame and money off people's simple beliefs and lack of understanding of how science affects our lives.

Also why do i feel so much animosity from our canadian brethren? were we not from the same stock 50 years ago? are we not still the same? in times of trouble we will only have each other!

its true genetics don't matter, anyone who believes in this genetics stuff is just dumb, look at the chineese and how they took more medals then anyone else

and all the top canadian weightlifters and wrestlers are punjabi beating all the kala gora

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[HSD*^]

1. lol i'm still laughing

2. the bbc is not run by the govt.

3. its a shame you think so.

4. err no they dont. not yet anyway. the future will be interesting though. what will the mighty canuck sikhs do being caught between muslim immigrants and the russians? lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism_in_United_Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism_in_Canada

so there you go. a higher proportion of sikhs in canada. they are also more concentrated.

5. no one said it.

6. i read the marriage thing in a paper when i was in canada.

the gang statistics is true. get the crime figures and then look at canadian casualties in the war.

as for the drug pushing ask some of your friends. if you have any. also have you ever been in a fight? ever had to fight half a dozen skinheads in a subway on your way home from school and beaten them to a pulp? ever gone to a friends house in hounslow and beaten up 3 kaleh who tried to mug you? ever grew up in a school which is 40% muslim and fought every day of every year? no? of course not. you canadians are all talk. this thread was about british sikhs. if you dont want to associate with us then go.

i wont bother arguing this as your obviously a bigot and not worth my time. i've said what i had to say.

[TruSoul]

We are all sikhs here ... so relax !

The one thing i noticed when in canada there is a massive drug culture among the punjabis (not true sikhs).

I noticed very few Singhs, for some reason i saw a lot of punjabis wanna b Sikhs. But yet they dont have a clueeeeeee !.

Interms of which is harder.. I can only go by history. National Front out numbered sikhs but yet we taught them a massive lesson in the 70's.

[HSD*^]

god people dont really understand genetics. it isnt just about height,weight and some mumbo-jumbo hitler said. it is influenced by environmental factors, life events of our ancestors, what gets passed on etc. saying genetics is dumb because chinese win gold medals just shows that your idea of genetics is based on predetermined prejudice.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes...hostgenes.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

http://epigenome.eu/en/1,1,0

http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/plus/sfg...epigenetics.dtl

[virk30]

So a Canadian Sikh took on 4 Muslims at same time?

no, he thought they wouldnt fight. then they battered him. then he ran off back to canada. pretty simple if you read the article.

Anyway, Punjabi-Canadians can easily beat crap outta British Asian (sikh, muslim, hindu etc...).

A lot of British Asian males are small (not too many 6 feet+ British Asian) while majority of Punjabi Canadian males are over 6 feet tall. If you don't believe me, then ask anyone who has been to Canada.

i'm sorry but now you sound like those gimpy hindu punjabi canadians who get all their battles fought by sikhs. stop spreading hate. i've been to canada and i couldnt stop laughing. most people view canadians dimly in the rest of the world, that now seems to apply to both the white and sikh population there.

There's more Sikhs in UK than in Canada. The reason why Punjabi Canadians aren't challenged anymore because people fear us. Sadly, Punjabi Canadians got a bad/violent rep due to Punjabi street gangs and Air India bombing.

there are 278,000 sikhs in canada. there are 380,000 sikhs in britain. canada has a population of 33 million. britain has a population of 64 million. go and do the maths. also sikhs are more spread out in britain. if we concentrated ourselves in 2 minicolonies then we would 'run ****' as you lot say.

EXACTLY!!!

I can't believe people are even questioning our gene pool. Where I am from, majority of Punjabi males are over 6 feet tall and weight about 180-200 lbs. I don't understand where this gene pool talk is coming from.

USA Sikhs face the same problems like UK sikhs.

its part of epigenetics. have a look on wikipedia or a proper textbook. genes is not all about height and weight, study a bit more about it. i was going to go into a lengthy explanation with an analogy but most people wont get it and just accuse me of this or that so i wont bother.

There are about 300,000 Sikhs living in Canada overall. In Toronto, Sikhs don't make up majority of South Asian community. In fact, I believe Muslims make up majority of South Asian population in Toronto. But yet none of them wouldn't have the balls to start a war against us Punjabis.

http://www.torontomuslims.com/thinking/muslimsincanada.asp

^worrying trends. its only recently musis have outpopulated you. it wont be long before they use those numbers. oh well.

Don't blame your genes.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/blipton.htm

Conquer your mind, Conquer the world.

no one ever said genetics is the sole cause of anything in your life. thats just dumb to believe. epigenetics explains how it works, and the the guy you mentioned is just getting fame and money off people's simple beliefs and lack of understanding of how science affects our lives.

Also why do i feel so much animosity from our canadian brethren? were we not from the same stock 50 years ago? are we not still the same? in times of trouble we will only have each other!

canada is a more dangerous country to live in then england, and its not a good thing, http://www.theprovince.com/news/South+Vanc...1497/story.html

these guys right here responsible for 100 shootings thats probably more gun crime then all of europe combined has had in past 2 years

and its true the desis in england are alot smaller then the desis in canada, someone who is considered big in england is average in size in canada, plus in most canadian city's the muslims outnumber the sikhs but its not pakistanis its afghans and middle eastern arabs who are alot crazier then pakis and in alot of the canadian city's like edmonton the afghans and arabs usually try staying away from messing with the punjabis even though they outnumber the punjabis and thats cause the punjabis in edmonton will fight with knives and guns and in vancouver no way is any arab or persian or afghan going to want to mess with a punjabi they won't even think about it.

their is no canadian city were punjabis are the biggest population, in toronto the jamacans and muslims out number the punjabis in vancouver huge middle eastern population of persians and afghans and iraqis and the chineese make up the biggest minority in vancouver and lets not forget the huge italian and eastern european population in vancouver and other minority's, so i don't know what you were trying to prove, plus edmonton calgary winnipeg montreal have punjabis but their population is small considered to the muslims blacks and other minority's living in those city's in canada

and if all the pakistanis moved from england to canada they would run back to pakistan if the extremists tried attacking the sikh community, let me put it this way the pakistanis can come in packs and outnumber the punjabis all they want it isn't going to matter cause the punjabis are alot crazier and bigger and they'll fight with guns and knives they can jump a guy 10 on 1 but all the fights would lead to shootings in clubs and restaurants, but i do know groups like shere punjab were pretty crazy back in the day at teaching the pakistanis lessons

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/internati...-round-2-a.html

but some of the punjabis in toronto are a little softer alot of them are scared of tamils and so on, the punjabis in vancouver are mental, i can think of a dozen punjabis if they had gone to england and 4-8 pakis tried jumping them they would be more then happy to fight with them it wouldn't bother them, and chances are they would be carrying a shank on them anyways even if their in england and would shank 4-5 pakis while being jumped

in city's like vancouver edmonton and so on in canada the punjabis carry a bigger bravado and soldier attitude then the desis in england, alot of the guys from here will fight and if they get jumped chances are theirs going to be a shooting

[+Singh_is_King+]

HSD,

Can you give an executive summary on genetics so that we can better understand it?

Cheers

[gurbrakaal]

I’m finding the quality of this thread deteriorating. Let’s try to veer the bashing and arguments on disunity to something productive like mentioning solutions, programs and ideas that come to mind.

Some thoughts

- I would urge every Sikh youth currently in high school to make every attempt to graduate and try to pursue post secondary education such as college/university. Having a higher education often means more academic, social and business contacts within your community and outside as well. Study your sikh history, general history, political science, read the newspaper… Be Aware of the world around you. An educated and well informed community is one that will be able to protect itself and protect others as well. More education often means better leadership and organization. That’s the fundamental issue in my opinion, for the reason of the downfall of our community. Islam is not the problem. Being educated will automatically turn you away from that religion.

- Enjoy an active lifestyle. Join sports teams at high school, join varsity at university. Take up gatka/martial arts, stay physically strong and maintain a powerful stamina. You will enjoy your life more by being healthy. And you will sleep, study and have your communion with Guru sahib better. As warriors, stay especially keen on combat arts and begin a culture of bravery and selflessness within ur dojo/akhara and circle of friends and family. Also, try to learn a musical instrument. You will be able to appreciate the finer things in life.

- Try being a role model for your friends, and siblings. Be a big brother or big sister. Spend time with your family. In today’s fast paced, msn/facebook, cellphone world, its difficult to allocate time to family. Spend time with your parents doing something together. Cooking, cleaning talking. The point is… establishing better emotional ties will teach you how to relate in a world full of hate, anger and stress.

- Don’t fuss over your own or someone else’s spirituality. Guilt and regret are a bag of bricks that we carry. I have witnessed so much waste of energy on issues such as being mona/amritdhari, rehit, meat, different jatheys etc etc. And this is another fundamental issue that is tearing the panth apart. Just follow sikhi as much as you can from what you can understand. And that’s the bottom line. There are no rules, only teachings. There is no ‘rehit’, only wisdom. Again, this is my personal view,. God will understand only your Love.

- On a final note, I’ve tried to maintain this posting to stay on topic of unity. I feel the above ideas are steps for an individual to take in order to accomplish wider scale cooperation and unity in our community.

Any other thoughts/suggestions ?

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