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Gurfateh

On Thursday 6th August on the Adil Ray show on the BBC Asian Network, the news had two stories about Sikhs. One was about the cancellation of a Gurdas Maan concert in Canada, the other about Sikh soldiers joining the Queen's guard in the UK for the first time.

During the talk about the cancleation of the Gurdas Mann Concert Adil came out and said along the lines of "that's a stupid reason for having a kirpan and do sikhs really need them?"

This is not the first time Adil has said this and the BBC network not take no action.

Asian network always make it out that he/she other presenters are doing nothing wrong but wen it comes to islam or wtever u see trains and buses get blown up over comments. The asian network is a government ran and owned station how can they allow ocmments of such nature

when ppl like johnathon ross get banned for making prank fone calls...

I think a PROTEST SHOULD BE ORGANISED OUTSIDE BBC STUDIOS IN LONDON....

To complain please click the link below:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms

Gurfateh

O By the way...There is no recording online as BBC have taken it off? HOW CONVIENIENT!!!???

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BBC Asian Network are like that. When it comes to faith n religion they tend not to shy away from dissing other peoples faith and why? Because their target audience is not the faithful and religious type. And in terms of Adil Ray, you have to forgive him... hes not all there.. mentally or physically ;-)

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I think we should instigate a protest outside the studios....

this is a regular occurance by the BBC and will not be tolerated!!!!!

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Its a shame that we dont have our own "media watch" organisation like other religions do. I remember people like Mohan Singh and GNNSJ used to be quite active in the media but not any more. If we had a proper organisation dedicated to the portrayal and fair treatment of Sikhs in the world media, we would find it easier to resolve such issues.

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Guest fordcapri

ive complained, everyone else should do too

Not surprised from the so called “Asians network” I dislike the station and have always found it biased against us.

If anyone has a template letter of complaint that i can use to email, with an address to send it to I will send it.

Bombard them with complaints.

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Guest fordcapri

These are issues that Sikh Channel should be addressing!!

its too complex for them, we shouldn't put that type of pressure on them !!!

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i made a complaint, but looks like i'm gonna have to do it again. wrote a really long 'letter', went back to copy and paste to put on here just in case, but the info wasn't retained. i clicked forward and sent it just in case.

Here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/asiannetwork/adilray/

on the right hand side, previous shows are available, thursday one isn't...

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6th August 2009

Dear Sirs

I write to complain in regards to the 'Adil Ray breakfast show' on Asian Network on the 6th August 2009.

After I heard the 9am news in which some facts regarding a recently cancelled concert were misrepresented, Mr Ray made some comments which I found offensive and rude. I rang up at approximately 9.40 and was given a very cagey response that someone would be in touch from the show and no information could be given. I was refused name of the person who answered the phone, the name of the supervisor or producer.

I informed the lady on the line that I wished to complain and asked what the procedure was, I was told nothing in what I could do or what my rights were as a licence payer. I can only describe this as a cover up. I did initially inform the young lady what the complaint was about however, the only way I can describe the ladies reaction is to clam up. She had no interest in forwarding any complaints in regards to her colleague.

Eventually, I waited some 6 hours and again rang the Asian Network number 08459 440 445- this time I was told that the breakfast team had retired for the day and again my details were taken however this time I pressed the matter and levelled that this could be construed as a cover up. This time I endeavoured in my efforts and was given the number to the Birmingham switch board -0121 567 6000- I was put through to a gentlemen called Tony who took down my complaint and details. He informed me his powers were limited and that I should forward my concerns to the complaints department within the BBC. Tony assured me that he would log my complaint and take it as far as he could.

He also told me that if what I had stated was correct that the presenter had no doubt not been within BBC guide lines with his comments. He also acknowledged that my complaint to him would be handled correctly and he would email memos to all departments to help prevent this from recurring.

My intention had only been to ask the show to check the fact regarding the concert, as I had heard first hand of what had taken place then the misrepresented facts coupled with Mr Rays comment and the undoubted attempt to try and discourage me to complain and dampen any attempts to do so, this has left me with no option but to pursue this matter and highlight a blatant slur by Mr Ray.

The details of the complaint as they took place are as follows;-

(i) It was stated that a concert by Gurdas Mann was stopped due to a group of Sikhs who refused to remove their ceremonial daggers. The event was thus cancelled due to the group of Sikhs unwilling to compromise their religion.

(a) from what I have been told and the information I have so far gathered is that people who were present at the concert were enraged at the treatment of the baptised Sikhs who are religiously required to carry a 'kirpan' at all times. The event was lead to being cancelled as the protest from bystanders grew.

(ii) The comment straight after by Mr Ray was that the majority of Sikhs do no longer feel the need to carry the kirpan and it was only a small minority who do. This with the news left me feeling that baptised Sikhs were being labelled as nothing less than extremists. Also how does Mr Ray know what the majority of Sikhs feel and what the general consensus is of the Sikh faith through out the world or in the UK? The only thing that is clear is Mr Ray's point of view, what has happened to the standard of unbiased reporting by the BBC which is renowned through out the world.

(iii) Finally the undoubted attempt to cover up my complaint by Mr Ray's colleague who felt that her actions were acceptable for an international broadcasting organisation, who I wish I was able to name in my complaint. I believe I never would have pursued this matter to this level if I was reassured that the facts about the concert would be checked and she had been in a position to know what action should be taken or what department I should contact.

As a licence payer I would like to understand if a news reader/presenter is allowed to present their own version of events or that of what took place. Is a news reader/presenter at liberty to present to all listeners their own opinions?

My final point to the BBC is to consider if they have the appropriate people representing the Asian community. Every time I have had the misfortune of turning on the breakfast show, I have felt the need to turn the show off as my young child is also listening. The last time I had to turn off was due to him making references to thongs and receiving wedgies! For a breakfast show, by any standard, this is appalling. I am sure if any of his previous shows were reviewed many aspects which cause concern will become apparent.

I look forward to receiving a response and what measures will be introduced so all relevant staff are aware of what correct complaint procedures are and how to handle complainants.

Regards

as there has been no out cry, bbc not bothered i ve had reply in which they are not too bothered!

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Guest fordcapri

This something else the media need to now about using the word "asain" again in the race disorder on saturday

In the violence and disorder which took place in Birmingham on Saturday 8th some of the media are again using the term Asian to report who was part of the disorder.

They should be accurate, we no who it was just look at the pictures.

Heres my email letter of complaint below feel free to use it and send it to newspapers who are saying it was asains, it was Pakistani Muslim Youth.

Dear Sir/Madam.

Reference to article: http://www.guardian....irmingham-islam

I wish to make a complaint about your use/abuse of the descriptive term "Asian" to generalise anyone from the continent of Asia and the sub continent of India.

It would seem that your use of the term is typically one of negativity when a particular group is in the news for reasons other than socially and culturally conducive reasons.

Many people are upset at the generalised term "Asian" when most of the population of the minorities who do come from the continent of Asia and the Indian Sub continent do not use this term.

Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Chinese, Vietnamese, Burmese are all Asian, they can all be described under the terms of Asian and it is in my opinion quite wrong to generalise such a diverse swathe of people in this broad, sweeping inaccurate term.

It is something I feel that is in danger of creating a broad distrust of minorities in general. If one community is in the news for criminal and public order issues then they should be described specifically.

Yours Sincerely

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wow, now that's a proper complaint lol.

i sent this, not as good but there you go:

I am writing to complain about Adil Ray undermining the core principle's of a baptised sikh. During the talk about the cancellation of the Gurdas Mann Concert Adil came out and said along the lines of "that's a stupid reason for having a kirpan and do sikhs really need them?"

The kirpan is a symbol of the sikh faith and is also defined as the sword of mercy. Used to defend others in dire need and when a person is in a life threatening situation.

When he comments upon other asian religions (hardly ever), he's made to take it back and apologise, as are other people across the media.

He has been impolite about the sikh religion on previous occasions as well, and this must not go on.

Convieniently that particular show

http://www.bbc.co.uk...etwork/adilray/

is unavailable, where as previous ones are still available.

Also in terms of respect for the sikh faith, hundreds of thousands of sikhs fought and died for the allied forces in the world wars, where as the were hardly any hindus or muslim. That is not bias, it is what the unbiased records from various sources show.

i hope the bbc will take the corect action. In my opinion, an apology from Adil on his show and a warning to him about his furute conduct would suffice at this moment in time.

Thankyou, from

A sikh.

Dam, so many typos, oh well they'll get the gist of it ;)

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wow, now that's a proper complaint lol.

i sent this, not as good but there you go:

I am writing to complain about Adil Ray undermining the core principle's of a baptised sikh. During the talk about the cancellation of the Gurdas Mann Concert Adil came out and said along the lines of "that's a stupid reason for having a kirpan and do sikhs really need them?"

The kirpan is a symbol of the sikh faith and is also defined as the sword of mercy. Used to defend others in dire need and when a person is in a life threatening situation.

When he comments upon other asian religions (hardly ever), he's made to take it back and apologise, as are other people across the media.

He has been impolite about the sikh religion on previous occasions as well, and this must not go on.

Convieniently that particular show

http://www.bbc.co.uk...etwork/adilray/

is unavailable, where as previous ones are still available.

Also in terms of respect for the sikh faith, hundreds of thousands of sikhs fought and died for the allied forces in the world wars, where as the were hardly any hindus or muslim. That is not bias, it is what the unbiased records from various sources show.

i hope the bbc will take the corect action. In my opinion, an apology from Adil on his show and a warning to him about his furute conduct would suffice at this moment in time.

Thankyou, from

A sikh.

Dam, so many typos, oh well they'll get the gist of it ;)

used yours changed it a bit awating reply

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yeah that was a bit different from the first time i wrote it, but basically all the same stuff.

I was gonna say, i'm sure it could be improved if someone wants to use it, let's see what happens...

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