How Vammi Are You ?

[BhForce]

Do you light toof, Jot? Believe in superstitions? Believe in un-scientific miracles associated with people of a religion? Omens?

Add common vamms within our people lets discuss them.

fordcapri, I think you missed an opportunity to discuss actual vehims (like donating maha di dal on certain days, not washing your hair on certain days, etc.) when you mixed actual vehims with genuine Sikh practices like jot, etc.

If you had worded your opening better, probably everybody on this board (except those who may go to Pundits) would have agreed with you. But people aren't going to let you denigrated Sikh practices under cover of calling them vehims.

[Guest fordcapri]

Do you light toof, Jot? Believe in superstitions? Believe in un-scientific miracles associated with people of a religion? Omens?

Add common vamms within our people lets discuss them.

fordcapri, I think you missed an opportunity to discuss actual vehims (like donating maha di dal on certain days, not washing your hair on certain days, etc.) when you mixed actual vehims with genuine Sikh practices like jot, etc.

If you had worded your opening better, probably everybody on this board (except those who may go to Pundits) would have agreed with you. But people aren't going to let you denigrated Sikh practices under cover of calling them vehims.

As it’s an open debate on what people think is vaam or not, people are just listing vaam they know of.

Here are some more:

People who take water from the Gurdwara as they think it hears Gurbani, nut water has no ears or no senses to listen. (water worship)

Fish in the Sarorvar, it been planted in the water by someone, some think they have appeared there due to miracle.

I have only heard this one once, people giving shirts and clothes to Bhais after a funeral as they think it will reach the loved one who has passed away.

People touching elderly person feet, this is similar to idol worship.

[Guest fordcapri]

heres a well known Sakki of Guru Nanak Jee, when he denounced vaam

A New Way of Teaching

Once Guru Nanak went to Hardwar. Hardwar is town in India. It is on the bank of river Ganges and is a sacred place for Hindus There was a big fair. Many people were bathing in the river They were splashing water towards the rising sun. They thought that their forefathers lived on the sun.

Guru Nanak went into the river too. He began to splash water to the other side. This was something strange for the people. They gathered round him and thought that he was a fool. The people laughed at him and asked, "Are you mad? Why are you splashing water towards the West when all the other people are throwing it towards the East?"

The Guru did not listen to them. He went on splashing the water.

An old man came to the Guru angrily. He held the Guru by the arm and said, "Don't you know which side the water is to be thrown?"

The Guru smiled and asked, "May I know why all these people are throwing the water to that side?"

"Well, they are sending the water to their forefathers on the sun. So they are throwing the water towards the East," said the old man, "Only you are foolish enough to throw water towards the West."

"Do you know how far away their forefathers live?" asked the Guru.

"Millions of miles away on the sun," was the old man's reply.

"Well," said the Guru. "My farm is at Kartarpur in the West. It did not rain this year and my crops are thirsty. I am sending the water to my crops." Saying this, the Guru began to throw water again.

The people laughed at him and said, "Your farm is in the Punjab. How can this water reach there?"

"If my water cannot travel three hundred miles from here and reach my farm," said the Guru in surprise, "How can your water reach millions of miles to the Sun?"

The old man could not find any answer. Some of the people agreed with the Guru and they said, "He is right. It is really useless to throw water to the sun if it cannot reach there."

The people came to understand their ignorance They stopped throwing the water and listened to Guru Nanak. The Guru taught them the true way of life. He told them to serve living people and not think of the dead who have left us for ever.

[Matheen]

Been sniffing petrol again?

Yes, there are vams, but most of the stuff you list is not 'vammi'.

The effect of sound on water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtlhVgnWIIY&feature=player_embedded

There was also a BBC news article about this a few years ago.

Do yourself a favour, read some Gurbani instead of the Dail Mail and become a Sikh before criticising things you know nothing about.

[S1ngh]

This is not a reply to ford capri but to all...

There are things such as Maryada and tradition and we should be proud of following those instead of questioning them. Lot of other communities are prouf od their traditions. Why it has to be only Sikh community to raise shanka or questions about our old age traditions. Maybe our Guru Sahib jee gave us large amount of freedom to think and then the real test comes to see if the person made up his mind in a correct way or not.

If we start raising questions and then later start acting against our maryada, a day won't be far when we find no diffference between us and ludhiana missionaries sect. Whether its dhoop jot or washing harmandar sahib with milk, make up your mind saying that there are somethings that our mind should not take any concern and keep our self busy in progressing internal sikhi (read, listen and then follow guru granth sahib ji's teaching practically). After that maybe we will have enough kamai points to understand such old maryada or traditions.