Lala Darshan Lal New Kartoot

[guruvah]

I have been analysing his modus operandi in interviews/debates for some time now - he starts off with a less controversial issue, like parallel parkash so that the audience can start building 'interest' in him, then gradually builds up pace, and using his effective cliches like 'oh bhaleyo' and 'ik vichaar kareyo', he tries to sound sympatheic towards the panth. If he feels that he is 'blinkering', then immediately takes a U turn and comes back to the 'issue' of parallel parkash again. But the quick message he is able to drop in listeners mind at the heat of the moment sadly works. He is an expert manipulator of body language, and psyche of the audience in question. Sadly, these subtle techniques work with simpletons, or with gursikhs who solely rely on others for their gurmat gyan. Therefore, this is not a physical battle anymore, rather a pure psychological one. Think about it.

he is smart very smart.....people are not smart enough to figure it out. As I said in my previous post:

Pro-DG camp usually ends up THINKING with their emotions...while Lala Darshan Lal THINKS with his brain on how to attack Sri DG.

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

yes guruvah ji, totally agree with you. i believe we have to have bir-rass but at the same time channelise some of the that energy towards learning more about the issues ourselves too. Its time we become sant-sipahis in true sense of the word - equilibrium is what we need.

[GPS]

Charitropakhayan is as authentic masterpiece from Guru Gobind singh ji as other compositions of Dasam Granth sahib. Manuscript of Charitropakhayan dating back to 1723 is preserved in library of Punjab university, Chandigarh.

Singhs of past era built their morals by reading charitropakhayan thereby proving that this Granth is for Gurmukh jogis and not for manmukhs like Darshan lal. Baghel singh of dal Khalsa had overpowered moghal ruler of Delhi.When King found no chance to match sikhs in battlefield, he sent his wife to Baghel singh.She started making overtures to Baghel singh.Baghel singh said to her that she would not able to trap him as he had read charitropakhayan of Guru Gobind Singh ji.He made her his sister.

Sikhs who had naam di kamai uplifted their morals by reading charitras. Critics of this bani like Kala afghana was fined in a Canadian court in a case of moral turpitude when he was a Granthi in at Victoria, BC. Shame on such traitors who have not read dasam granth and are using bad words for bani of tenth master.

In fact their attack is on Guru Gobind Singh ji.Their game plan is obvious and no sikh should be doubtful of their evil intentions.They want to finish amrit sanchar among sikhs. Shame on these bhekhis and their masters.

[GPS]

Game plan of these anti sikh agents is nicely summed up

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/51981-agenda-methodology-of-the-attack-on-the-sikh-dharm/

Many have long suspected that the attacks on Guru Gobind Singh ji’s writings, the Dasam Granth Sahib ji, were just the beginning. From there the government agents and communists posing as Sikh scholars attacked the rahit maryada, the basic Nitnem banis, the authority of the Akaal Takht Sahib, the integrity of mahan pracharaks, and the sanctity of the Amrit Sanchar itself. Today there are Amrit Sanchars carried out with only Japji Sahib and Anand Sahib being read, instead of the required five banis that also include Jaap Sahib, Tve Prasaad Svaye, and Chaupai Sahib. The plan of the anti-panthic agents was quite simple, build up a critical mass of the uncritical (unthinking), attack the foundations of the Sikh dharm to create splits in the panth at as many points as possible, and then attack the Guru Granth Sahib ji itself. Under this plan some agents only attack the Dasam Granth Sahib, while others attack at all possible points. In this way those wayward Sikhs who are only inclined to some limited degree of blasphemy will have some leader, some “scholar”, to look up to who can lead them in their attacks. While those beymukhs (those who turn their backs on the Guru) who have no limits to their hereticism can freely indulge in their attempts to remake Guru Nanak Sahib ji’s dharm as they wish. The potential end result of these circumstances conjure up a vision of a trail of deadly terror assaults, with scattered pockets of confused sangat wandering around the smoky remains of each breach in our dharm. Of course, it will never come to that end as Maharaj blessed the Sikhs with enough evidence of the authenticity of Dasam Granth Sahib and the rahit maryada that all those Sikhs who seek with a sincere heart will come to realise the truth.

Raggi Darshan Singh has been invited to do vichaar numerous times, but he has either found some excuse to avoid it or simply ignored the invitations. The agenda of these people is to create division, not to do vichaar because vichaar is in the best interests of the panth. At protests his followers have been hiding weapons and attacking the protesters in an attempt to instigate them to fight back. They want Singhs to use violence so that our name is blackened in the media and the mainstream sangat, who are often unaware of the true complexity of events, turn on us.

We need to clarify our objectives. The main goal is to win hearts and minds of mainstream sangat who are unaware of the propaganda. Violence can trigger a backlash from them. The attacks on Dasam Bani, Akaal Takht, Rahit Maryada, Amrit Sanchar, and now Guru Granth Sahib ji are merely methods of division being used. our goal is not to convince panth-dokhis, nor is it necessarily to shut them up (unless it’s by debate, which is why they are afraid of it), the ultimate goal is to convince the mainstream sangat so that the panth maintains its unity and walks in line with Gurmat. All other goals should be subservient to this ultimate goal.

At each juncture we must ask ourselves, is this action that we are contemplating in the best interests of the panth? What are the potential downsides? The failure to employ hosh (correct thought and planning) before josh (effort/action) has ever been our community’s downfall. We should also employ an articulate Sikh at each protest to represent the panthic point of view to the media so that propagandaists do not have free reign with the newspapers and public opinion.

We must look to the past. Whenever the panth has needed a renaissance it was from looking back to see what worked and then adapting it to the modern day. The puratan Singhs had so much self control they could take a beating without flinching in the morcha to regain control of the Gurdwara sahibs. I’m not saying defending Guru ji’s Bani is wrong, and I’m not saying we should do it exactly like puratan Singhs did, nor am I saying to take beatings, but we must alter the strategy in the best interests of the panth in each venue where protests happen. Canada is not India. Peaceful protests work here, violence does not. It is a matter of choosing the best strategy for the panth in order to achieve our ultimate goal, which is one panth united under the Nishan sahib of the Takhts and the Guru’s Bani, whether that bani be from our Guru, Guru Granth Sahib ji, or from the Tenth Guru’s Dasam Granth Sahib ji.

Let’s examine some of their other methods:

Recently the Rozana Spokesman, a propaganda rag that poses as a Sikh newspaper, began the final phase of their plan to attack Sikh dharm – an assault on the authenticity of Guru Granth Sahib ji itself. It is important for us to understand the extent to which these people will go in their attempts to demolish the Sikh dharm. The article below is translated from the Spokesman by Bhai Prabhjot Singh.

After guru gobind singh ji left for his heavenly abode, those people, who were desperate to label Babeh Nanak’s sikhi as just another offshoot of brahmanical religion, suddenly became active. For centuries, these individuals had been fanatically determined to finish off any religion from this world that is not a part of Brahmanic ideology. Buddhism issued a challenge to this ideology, and everyone is aware of what these people did to that religion. These individuals also wanted to hurry to make Sikh religion a part of Brahmanic ideology so that no bigger trouble surface later. In this hurry, they got ‘Bachittar Natak’ written which is full of mistakes and lies and propagated that it is the autobiography of Guru Gobind Singh, written by himself. In that hurry, they also got few compositions from hindu granths from here-and-there and said that this all is the ‘treasure’ Guruji has left for us. The one and only purpose of these compositions was to make sikhi a part of Brahmanic ideology.

Because the sikhs themselves were busy fighting wars, it became even more easy to push this conspiracy further and nirmalas, udhasis took this job in their hands. Not only books like ‘Gurbilas Patshahi 6′ and ‘Dasam Granth’, but almost all historical resources have been written by the nirmalas. The Srichandis (these people) these nirmalas and udhasis destroyed or burnt Babeh Nanak’s handwritten ‘Pothi Saihb’ and later wrote that this ‘Pothi’ was destroyed during wars. The ‘Cholaa’ of Babeh Nanak didnt get destroyed, the wooden sandles remained safe, every writing and memorials of all the other gurus and 35 bhagats remained safe, so was it that the wars had to only destroy the handwritten ‘Bani’ of Babeh Nanak?

It is absolutely certain that these people made many changes to Guru Granth Sahib and started the bad trend of burning the older Birs [saroops] (so that every piece of evidence) could be destroyed, and started propagating the idea that ‘to do Sanskaar of old Birs’ is a part of religious duty. Only dead bodies are burnt. Do the old Birs symbolise the books of dead knowledge? Burning of knowledge can never be called an act of any religion. These people, in order to hide their ill-deeds, also started declaring that no changes can be made to any word, characters, or Matra of the bani of Guru Granth Sahib. To cover up their tracks, these very people, who had themselves made big changes, played this card to finalise their changes. There are many other religions. They also have their respected granths. No other religion made ‘Sanksaar’ or ‘Changes of words, characters and Maatras’ a sin. Why? Why didnt any Guru impose this kind of ban? Why did it occur to only nirmalas and udhaasis? There is a need to think, analyse and research this. Many proofs are surfacing that present evidence of thebut whenever anyone starts taking steps towards seeking the truth, the nirmalas and their agents start crying foul and say, “Look, he is raising objections against guru granth sahib. Those backstabbing of Babeh Nanak by nirmalas and udhaasis who screamed and shouted would never want the truth to surface and their plans explosed. We will write more on this later, for now however we want to give you the hint and pointer that right from the beginning, these srichandis have tried to backstab the philosophy of babeh nanak and have made a fool of the sikhs.

Another bloody attempt at backstabbing has increased when panth accepted ‘nankshahi calender’ of 2003 has been restamped with ‘we are hindus’ dates on new calender. What was the need to make changes when this calender was accepted by the entire panth? A handful of nirmalas and their ‘Cholaa and round dastaar wearing’ sants started crying that how come their highly successful job of layering Brahmanic skin on sikh religion for the past 300 years has been brought to a abrupt halt with ‘nanakwadi’ approach. For the past 300 years, their sole purpose had been to try to keep the sikh philosophy, sikh gurdwaras, sikh maryadas, sikh history and gurbani attached to brahmanic ideology in one form or the other. In the 2003 ‘nanakshahi calender’ they could see complete seperation of the sikh philosophy and history from the brahmanic ideology. This attempt was to kill all the attempts of the srichandis. Srichandis became worried to no end.

Consider this good fortune of the srichandis that the sikh politicians sitting on the seat of shromani committee meaning control of gurdwara golaks were finding hard to get votes of sabat soorat sikhs. The srichandis sants promised the votes of the lazy idlers sitting at their deras (the total of which is in lakhs) and as such have been successful at stabbing babeh nanak one more time with the help of these ‘akali leaders’. On the pretext of Sangrands and Massiyas, the nanakshahi calender has been attached to bikrami calender. They are scared that time is soon going to change its tide and if the wound is not inflicted on time, maybe new leader will not agree to do this job. Just as they succeded in propagating ‘dasam granth’ and ‘gurbilas’ in haste, they have now converted ‘nanakshahi calender’ into ‘dual-philosophy’ aka two-faced calender. The target is still the same that was 300 years ago – to not let the unique character of sikhi surface and to keep sikhi nailed to the floor with the rope of Brahmanic ideology. Like we said above, times have changed and this revolution of 21st century will soon bring an end to both of them.

-link to original article

Sadh sangat ji, these people completely reject other sources of Sikh history such as Janamsaakhi Guru Nanak devji (Bhai Bala wali), Gurbilas patshahi 6, Gurbilas patshahi 10, bansawlinama, Bhagatmaal, Sooraj parkash, both Panth Parkash granths and other texts as brahminical, mixed up, corrupted and not authentic and according to Gurmat. Unsurprisingly, these all are the only historical accounts written by Sikhs, and if we are to reject them all as un-authentic and corrupted, we’ll be left with no history of our own, written by Sikhs. So does that mean we should go to Hindus and Muslims for our history of that time??? I think this is what these people slandering Baani and history want to. They want to make us a pride-less, honour-less nation, which couldn’t write even its own history and want us to believe in the Hindu or muslim version of our History.

Suppose we were to reject Gurbilas patshahi 6. in its present version, How are we going to know that who created Akaal takhat ( Akaal Bunga)? No muslim or hindu has written about it. It’s only this book which tells us that it was Guru Hargobind sahib ji maharaj, who with help of Baba Buddha ji and Bhai Gurdas ji built Akaal Bunga. These people want to snatch our History, our traditions, our faith from us.

Now what if we got rid of Dasam Guru (ka) Granth Sahib (the Granth of the Tenth Guru)? We would lose our protection, we would lose that which gave us rakhya (protection) during the dark days our panth’s existence. Our panths roots lie in Guru Granth Sahib ji, Dasam Granth Sahib ji, and Khande batte da Amrit (which is created from banis from both granths).

I had written an article on this very group about six months ago, asking all the Dasam baani nindaks to present ‘’ANY’’ other history text of 17th century, where Shaheedi of Guru Teg Bahadur ji is mentioned as we believe it to be. We say that Guru Teg Bahadur sahib ji sacrificed his life to protect Faith and Symbols of Hindus. Read the Bachans of Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj in Bachittar Natak,

ਤਿਲਕ ਜੰਞੂ ਰਾਖਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਾਕਾ ॥

ਕੀਨੋ ਬਡੋ ਕਲੂ ਮਹਿ ਸਾਕਾ ॥

ਸਾਧਨਿ ਹੇਤਿ ਇਤੀ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੀ ॥

ਸੀਸ ਦੀਆ ਪਰ ਸੀ ਨ ਉਚਰੀ ॥13॥

ਧਰਮ ਹੇਤ ਸਾਕਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਆ ॥

ਸੀਸ ਦੀਆ ਪਰ ਸਿਰਰੁ ਨ ਦੀਆ ॥

ਨਾਟਕ ਚੇਟਕ ਕੀਏ ਕੁਕਾਜਾ ॥

ਪ੍ਰਭ ਲੋਗਨ ਕਹ ਆਵਤ ਲਾਜਾ ॥14॥

ਦੋਹਰਾ

ਠੀਕਰਿ ਫੋਰਿ ਦਿਲੀਸਿ ਸਿਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਪੁਰ ਕੀਆ ਪਯਾਨ ॥

ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਆ ਕਰੀ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਆਨ ॥15॥

ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਕੇ ਚਲਤ ਭਯੋ ਜਗਤ ਕੋ ਸੋਕ ॥

ਹੈ ਹੈ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਜਗ ਭਯੋ ਜੈ ਜੈ ਜੈ ਸੁਰ ਲੋਕ ॥16॥

This Baani of Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj clearly states the Supreme Sacrifice made by Guru Teg Bahadur ji for protection of Dharam, Truth, Equality, Freedom of worship and Right to profess one’s faith. These are the values upon which modern day democratic systems of the world stand and which have been incorporated by Democratic countries in their constitutions. For these supreme ideals, Ninth Guruji gave his life, attained Shaheedi in Delhi along with three of his Sikhs.

Now for a moment, remove this from our history, our literature, our psyche! Can anyone of us, we believers or the Nindaks of Dasam Baani, present any historical account of Guruji’s shaheedi for Dharam. Answer is NO. There is no account of 17th century which says this. No Hindu wrote about it and Muslims those who wrote in their books gave their own fanatic Islamic version of Guruji’s shaheedi. They say ‘’Guru Teg Bahadur was a plunderer, looter and Rapist, who along with a Sufi faqir of Lahore launched a movement against Islamic empire of Aurangzeb. There was a fight near Lahore, where he was captured and hanged to death in Lahore in 1675. His body was cut in four pieces and hanged in four directions of Lahore city’. And these accounts were all written in 1670’s and 80’s. Fanatic muslims were and are hell bent against Rise of Sikhi, and modern day Hindu, under influence of RSS, VHP and other groups wants to throw away the ‘’favour’’ done by Sikh Gurus for them, so that they can be relieved of this burden.

Now think, rejecting Dasam baani as false and myth and lies will benefit whom?? Sikhs or Hindus and muslims?? My challenge for any other 17th century account of Guruji’s shaheedi, which was sent six months ago to Dasam baani nindaks, stands till today.’Present any account, which you believe in’!

Its upto you Khalsa ji, to judge now, as who are agents of Anti-Sikh forces, who want to dis-honour our great Gurus!

-from Kamaljeet Singh Shaheedsar of Facebook group No Khalsa Panth without Dasam Guru (ka) Granth Sahib

They are attempting to attack from all sides. Our faith is being tested in this game of separating the wheat from the chaff. But true sikhs don’t despair. When we examine history we see that the panth always emerges victorious so long as it maintains faith in Gurmat. Guru ji himself will give us the victory as the endgame is always in Maharaj’s hands. After all, how can mere chaff stand up against Gareeb Nivaaz Satguru Gobind Singh ji himself?

http://khojee.wordpr...ranth-sahib-ji/

[Guest Bloom]

In My Opinion,

Also,

This Is Probably Related To Showing Krishan In Bad Light. To Understand A Little. Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee Throws The Hindu 'Gods' Of Their Pedestal. It Shows Krishna Also As Someone Who Is Into 'Orgies'. So This Puts Krishan In Bad Light. Hindus (Raveena Aulakh Is Probably Fighting For CongRSS Hindu Agenda) Cannot Stand Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee. Krishna Is Also Shown Being Defeated By Kharag Singh, NO?

There Are Millions, No Tens Of Millions, No Hundreds of Millions, NO, Maybe BILLION(s) Whom Worship Krishan. No Wonder They Cannot Accept Dhan Dhan Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee Which Throws Their 'Gods' Off The Pedestal.

Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee Cannot Be Digested By Hindus (Sorry Hindus, But This Is True). Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee Directly Attacks Hindu 'Gods' And Their Worshippers In Direct Language.

Sri GuruGranth Sahib Jee Also Calls Their 'Gods' Diseased (Rogi), Haumai Filled, Etc. Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee Is Filled With Expansions, Imagery, Knowledge Of Trickeries, Moral Character And Much Much More! So Much Much More.

Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee Is Sri Ang Of Khalsa!

British Were Involved In SGPC Foundations. Therefore Sri Dasam Patshah Baanee Were Removed, Sri Chaupai Sahib Was Shortened (Because The Next Sri Panghtees Speak of Granth), And Before British, Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee Was Parkaash At Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib Jee. Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee Is Filled With Bir Ras, Political Tactics, Knowledge of Trickeries, High Moral Character, Shastar Prem, Prem and Much Much Much More.

Dhan Dhan True Khalsa Dharma! (Which Of Course Includes Dhan Dhan Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee).

I Have Also Been Falling More and More In Love With Dhan Dhan Sri Dasam Patshah Jee Ka Granth Sahib Jee, And I Will Also Use Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee When Referring To Sri DasamPatshah Jee Baanees. I Find This Respectable.

So The Answer To The Title Of The CongRSS Darshan Ragi Propagandist. Did Guru Gobind Singh Jee Promote (Refer To CongRSS Darshan Ragis Propagandist Correspondent's Title Of Her Article) The Answer Is NO! Krishan DID! Can She And Her Darshan Lala Handle That ?!? Congress AND RSS Surely Can't !!!!!

Dhan Dhan Sri DasamGuruKaGranth Sahib Jee !!!!!

[SunSingh]

language and psychology are intimately linked. we need to fix the language that we use. just b/c they use extreme language does not mean we should use extreme language, this just creates a bigger divide and decreases the chance of understanding.

instead of calling it parallel prakash, we should call it Hazoori prakash. Parallel implies that both granths are on the same level, and they use that to claim that status of Guru is given to Dasam Granth sahib when it is not. In Takht Hazoor Sahib Dasam Granth SAhib is prakash on a lower level, so the term 'hazoori prakash' seems more accurate to me.

I also think we should use the term Dasam Granth SAhib, Dasam Bani, or DAsam Guru KA Granth SAhib etc rather than Dasam Guru Granth Sahib b/c they use that to claim supporters are trying to give Guruship to DAsam Bani, when in reality it's just a shortening of Dasam Guru KA Granth Sahib. some people sometimes get upset and shorten the title just to upset nindaks, but that really is a counterproductive strategy.

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

I totally agree with you SunSingh Singh Sahib Ji, feels to know at least there is some Gurmukh pyare out there who are using deductive reasoning instead of firing aimlessly. Thank you!

[SunSingh]

Regarding these kinds of issues, we should cross pollinate ideas with others who have panthic interests in mind. Take a look at these threads, some good ideas here:

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=12658&st=45

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=12687

[Singh559]

singh559 ji

Parkash of Dasam granth is not the issue here.Let us leave this aside as there are a couple of takhats that do parkash of dasam granth that too at a lower level than sGGS ji parkash.

The issue here is the dirty language being used by ragi darshan lal for bani of Dasam pita.Then he is concocting his own stories about charitropakhayan.All his theories are a bundle of lies as i have read Dasam Granth myself. Any religious person will not stoop to depth out of respect for Guru ji.This Ragi darshan lal is a thug who is paid for doing propaganda.

More dirt he heaps on dasam pita's bani more of his dirty thoughts are brought to public mind.Moreover what nonsense he is talking especially when he was acting in film nimmo for money and paying glowing tributes to durga by fabricating his own stories that are not found in Dasam Granth.Where was his sikhi that time?

The fact is that he has been identified as an enemy of sikhi who has sold his religion for money.

I see, and yes that's true/i agree. It should be treated with much, much respect as it was given to us by our 10th Guru Ji. Also what I don't understand is why Darshan lal didn't go to the Akal Takht. Even Maharaja Ranjit Singh was summoned to the Harmandir Sahib for doing something wrong (unknowingly) and he went to go receive his punishment (i think it was whip lashings if i'm not mistaken).

His ego is dividing the panth.