Remembrance – The Sikh Story

[dalsingh101]

How utterly disrespectful, they gave their lives for the cause which they may not have fully known about but they gave their livelehood. And all you can do is give you utter rubbish of an opinion on these forums with complete disrespect for SAINT SOLDIERS OF THE BOTH WORLD WARS.

So what about those Sikh men who decided to fight against the British. Some fought with Germans. Some had their own movements like the Ghaddar party. Were they the antithesis of saint soldiers then? Lets be honest, it was economics that motivated most Sikh soldiers not religious motives. They didn't have any clue about what was going on with Jews for instance. Using your argument, can we not say those Sikhs who fought against the British were also Saint-Soldiers in that they were fighting for Sikh freedom and not the British cause? See, it isn't so simple.

Let me ask do you always know what your doing and have fully known about it before hand ???? if you answer yes then your an even bigger THICKhead then i can EVEN begin to imagine!

You're calling me thick? Check yourself out. The whole point is reflecting on and learning from the past and hopefully not making similar mistakes in future. Fact is certain people still haven't learned that other people out there are manipulative and end up using Sikhs, especially by pandering to their religious sentiments. In reality what they plan is entirely focused on their own interests. And if you think a Sikh joining any old army makes them a saint soldier, regardless of the morality and objectives of the people controlling the army, then you must be a real simpleton.

Our Sikh forefathers were too straightforward and generally uneducated to know what was going on behind the scenes in ww2, we aren't. They can be excused for being under an allusion, we can't.

It's like some naieve Sikhs going to Iraq because firinghees have told a barrel of lies about WMDs and threats, thinking he will do some good but in reality becoming a tool for others to aid in grabbing valuable resources regardless of human cost. However well intentioned he may be, what he participates in overall isn't very noble.

Please try and follow my point: I'm not disrespecting the past soldiers just acknowledging that there are very important issues surrounding these matters that need learning from by our and future generations. It is easy to end up being used by other more intellectual quoms and fall for their propaganda. We can't afford to do this.

[Kharkooartsy]

dalsingh got a point

[sall]

WJKK WJKF

OK now that you have clearly acknowledged and respected our forefathers properly, shall we carry on with this debate hopefully to a fruitful end. So what is the solution sir, if tomorrow we have an oppressive regime about to attack the UK and the military is at such a point that the current government is requesting all to take up arms as soldiers. And lets say you are the leader of the so called current educated,not under any illusion intellectual sikhs, what choice would you have? what would be your advice to your group of sikhs and why? and don't forget to read the small print on your british passport before you answer the questions.

By the way a Sikh is a saint soldier 24*7 he has a big enough army inside to deal with too

[lsingh]

WJKK WJKF

OK now that you have clearly acknowledged and respected our forefathers properly, shall we carry on with this debate hopefully to a fruitful end. So what is the solution sir, if tomorrow we have an oppressive regime about to attack the UK and the military is at such a point that the current government is requesting all to take up arms as soldiers. And lets say you are the leader of the so called current educated,not under any illusion intellectual sikhs, what choice would you have? what would be your advice to your group of sikhs and why? and don't forget to read the small print on your british passport before you answer the questions.

By the way a Sikh is a saint soldier 24*7 he has a big enough army inside to deal with too

Having relatives that served in the British Indian army and current Indian army , they stated that the British respected the Sikhs more. After 1947 the Arya Smaj types dominated the army top brass alot of them Nehru loyalists. They resented the Sikhs and prevented officers with Sikhi views from rising to top positions. You have seen the ones involved in bluestar like JS Brar, monas and beard trimmers became favoured types especially after the Pakistan wars.

The British of course wanted to control their empire, but they did not ridicule the Sikhs. Look at the Akali struggle of the 1920's when the Sikhs of the Punjab rose up to free Gurdwras from Hindu mahants and restore Sikhi, eventually they freeded the Gurdwaras (Sikhs were killed by Mahants and their allies, but the British realised the error of their ways).Nehru and Gandhi copied the Sikhs tactics later. Look at free India today where we had the Gurdwaras bombarded and thousands of Sikhs murdered.

[VanHelsingh]

Trying to marry the obligations to our Western country of birth, with the desire and will to be honourable Sikhs (in the correct manner) is something that is mighty difficult. I know those of a fervent nature will proclaim "There shouldn't be any confusion if you're a true Sikh!!!", and I'd agree wholeheartedly....that is if the world was black and white.

I don't profess to know everything under the sun, but there are shades of grey in life and that is what makes us human instead of unfeeling, mechanical robots. I'm probably being obtuse and I apologise for being so vague, but I can see both sides of the argument as presented in this thread. I am erring on the side of "the British manipulated the Sikhs", but I can also kind of understand the positivity some forummers are displaying towards fighting with the British against the German threat. But then I see the post about Sikh soldiers fighting on the German side, and I get confused again..:D

But I'm always willing to learn so it's great to read all these opinions.