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Pakistan was seen as a Muslim country therefore i wouldn't be suprised that the majority muslim population was threatening the minority Hindus & Sikhs to go to India, as which is happening to this current day were there has been numerous threats of conversion, kidnapping etc. More and more Hindu families have had enough and are crossing the border to India were they are safe.

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Musicman I ignore foolish comments from peeps like khalasthan86, the majority of people here are good.

Im not trying to make relations, my relations with most people of all walks of life are good.

I asked a pertinent question, and MY VIEW IS MOST OF THE HINDUS/SIKHS that got left behind in Pakistan ( whether they are 10 million or 20!), have been FORCEFULLY converted,as hindus and sikhs are not allowed to have jobs in the civil service and are HEAVILY discriminated against to this day. It was a big deal when they had a sikh traffic warden, or inspector at the lowest level for the first time a couple of years ago,

the ones who havent converted are stuck in low level jobs and live in poverty.

2-3 hindu - sikh girls are converted/abducted / raped a week! ( see another thread!)

Every hindu/sikh i have spoken to who lived in pakistan tells horror stories of how bad it was

APOLOGIES, I still havent had a chance to give detailed post re this thread, too busy at work!

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Here is some information from wikipedia.

Hinduism and PartitionSee also: Partition of IndiaWhen Pakistan was formed in August 1947, over 7 million Hindus and Sikhs from what was East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and Pakistan's Punjab, Sindh and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwas were forced to leave this new state for India, and a similar number of Muslims chose the other way. The reasons for this incredible exodus was the heavily charged communal atmosphere in British India, deep distrust of each other, the brutality of violent mobs and the antagonism between the religious communities. The fact that over 1 million people lost their lives in the bloody violence of 1947, should attest to the fear and hate that filled the hearts of millions of Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs who had to leave ancestral homes during hastily arranged partition.

Many Hindus who attained great success in the public eye in India, like the filmstars Dev Anand, Raj Kapoor, and Sunil Dutt trace their birthplaces and ancestral homes to the towns of Pakistan. Independent India's first Test cricket captain, Lala Amarnath hailed from Lahore, prime ministers I K Gujral and Manmohan Singh are also from the part of the Punjab which became part of Pakistan, and former deputy prime minister Lal Krishna Advani was born in Karachi. Nearly all of these individuals left their homes due to the violence and turmoil of independence.

For more information about Hindus in East Pakistan - Bangladesh, see Hinduism in Bangladesh.

Post-1970s

Since Pakistan declared itself an Islamic nation and pursued a decidedly Islamic course in its political and social life since the 1980s, Hindus as a minority in Pakistan have had considerably fewer privileges, rights and protections in comparison to minorities in India, which constitutionally avows itself secular and giving of equal rights to its religious minorities including the Muslim, Christian and Sikh communities. Cultural marginalization, discrimination, economic hardships and religious persecution have resulted in many Hindus converting to other religions (Islam, Christianity), and today Hindus constitute barely 1.8% of Pakistan's population.

Because Hindus are not "People of the Book" like Christians, they have generally been given fewer rights informally (de facto) by the Muslim majority than the country's Christians (see Dhimmi), even if de jure Hindus have equal rights under the law.

Religious, social and political institutions

The Indus river is a holy river to many Hindus, and the Pakistan government periodically allows small groups of Hindus from Pakistan and India to make pilgrimage, though most Hindus are forced to do this along the banks of the river that flows through a small part of Indian-controlled Kashmir.

The communal violence of the 1940s and the subsequent persecutions have resulted in the destruction of thousands of Hindu temples in Pakistan, although the Hindu community and the Pakistani government have preserved and protected many prominent ones. The Hindu Gymkhana in Karachi has tried to promote social development for Hindus in the city. One of the few temples remaining in Karachi today is the Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, Karachi.

Hindus are allotted separate electorates to vote by, but their political importance is virtually nil[citation needed]. The Pakistan Hindu Panchayat and the Pakistani Hindu Welfare Association are the primary civic organizations that represent and organise Hindu communities on social, economic, religious and political issues. There are minority commissions and for a while, a Ministry of Minority Affairs in the Government of Pakistan looked after specific issues concerning Pakistani religious minorities.

Community life

The intense religious conservatism and politically charged environment in Pakistani Punjab offers limited freedoms for Hindus. Outside such an environment, Karachi's city culture allows for a secular environment that gives much needed opportunities to minorities like Hindus. Though Islamisation, cultural and political has swept the country since the 1980s, the secular institutions established in British times allow Hindus to take advantage of education, sports, cultural activities, government services and participate in mainstream Pakistani life. Prominent Pakistani Hindus include Karachi's Danish Kaneria, who has become Pakistan's premier leg spin bowler in cricket, fashion designer Deepak Perwani, and Justice Rana Bhagwandas, former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.

Persecution

Main articles: Persecution of Hindus#Pakistan and Anti-Hindu#PakistanThe increasing Islamisation of Pakistan and antagonism against India, a nation with a Hindu majority, has been an influential factor in the persecution of religious minorities, among those minorities, Hindus. Such Islamisation include the blasphemy laws, which make it dangerous for religious minorities to express themselves freely and engage freely in religious and cultural activities. The promulgation of Sharia, Quranic law has also increased the marginalisation of Hindus and other minorities. Following the Babri Mosque riots in India, riots and attacks on Hindus in retaliation has only increased; Hindus in Pakistan are routinely affected by communal incidents in India and violent developments on the Kashmir conflict between the two nations. It remains the hope of many that a permanent peace between the two nations will go a long way in making life better for the roughly 3 million Hindus living in Pakistan. The 1998 census recorded 2,443,614 Hindus in Pakistan.[7]

Hindu minorities, under Taliban rule in Swat, were forced to wear Red headgear such as turbans as a symbol of dhimmi.[8] In July 2010, around 60 members of the minority Hindus in Karachi were attacked and ethnically cleansed following an incident when a Hindu youth drank from a water tap near an Islamic mosque[9][10]

[edit] Pakistan Studies curriculum issues

Main article: Pakistan Studies curriculumAccording to the Sustainable Development Policy Institute report 'Associated with the insistence on the Ideology of Pakistan has been an essential component of hate against India and the Hindus. For the upholders of the Ideology of Pakistan, the existence of Pakistan is defined only in relation to Hindus, and hence the Hindus have to be painted as negatively as possible'[11] A 2005 report by the National Commission for Justice and Peace a non profit organization in Pakistan, found that Pakistan Studies textbooks in Pakistan have been used to articulate the hatred that Pakistani policy-makers have attempted to inculcate towards the Hindus. 'Vituperative animosities legitimise military and autocratic rule, nurturing a siege mentality. Pakistan Studies textbooks are an active site to represent India as a hostile neighbour' the report stated. 'The story of Pakistan’s past is intentionally written to be distinct from, and often in direct contrast with, interpretations of history found in India. From the government-issued textbooks, students are taught that Hindus are backward and superstitious.' Further the report stated 'Textbooks reflect intentional obfuscation. Today’s students, citizens of Pakistan and its future leaders are the victims of these partial truths'.[12][13][14][15]

An editorial in Pakistan's oldest newspaper Dawn commenting on a report in The Guardian on Pakistani Textbooks noted 'By propagating concepts such as jihad, the inferiority of non-Muslims, India’s ingrained enmity with Pakistan, etc., the textbook board publications used by all government schools promote a mindset that is bigoted and obscurantist. Since there are more children studying in these schools than in madrassahs the damage done is greater. '[16][17] According to the historian Professor Mubarak Ali, textbook reform in Pakistan began with the introduction of Pakistan Studies and Islamic studies by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in 1971 into the national curriculum as compulsory subject. Former military dictator Gen Zia-ul-Haq under a general drive towards Islamization, started the process of historical revisionism in earnest and exploited this initiative. 'The Pakistani establishment taught their children right from the beginning that this state was built on the basis of religion – that's why they don't have tolerance for other religions and want to wipe-out all of them.'[17][18]

According to Pervez Hoodbhoy, a physics professor at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad, the "Islamizing" of Pakistan's schools began in 1976 when an act of parliament required all government and private schools (except those teaching the British O-levels from Grade 9) to follow a curriculum that includes learning outcomes for the federally approved Grade 5 social studies class such as: 'Acknowledge and identify forces that may be working against Pakistan,' 'Make speeches on Jihad,' 'Collect pictures of policemen, soldiers, and national guards,' and 'India's evil designs against Pakistan.'[19]

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SIKH IN PAKISTAN - After the creation of Pakistan

200px-PanjaSahibExterior1.JPG <>Panja Sahib Gurdwara in Hasan AbdalNationwide, there are no reliable numerical figures for Sikhs in the country. Estimates vary, the US Department of State estimates 20,000.

The largest Sikh population in Pakistan is found in <A title=Peshawar, /Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa">Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, which was spared the scale of violence during partition that raged in Punjab. There are small pockets of Sikhs in Lahore and Nankana Sahib in Punjab. The (West) Punjab andSindh provinces of Pakistan were mostly emptied of their Sikh and Hindu population in the communal massacres of partition, with nearly all fleeing for India.

There has been an influx in the population of Sikhs in Pakistan due to the turbulent civil war and conflicts that have ravaged neighboring Afghanistan, like Pakistan, has had a very small Sikh and Hindu population. There has been a massive exodus of refugees from Afghanistan into Pakistan during the past 30 years of turmoil up to the reign of the <A

="War in Afghanistan (2001–present)"US invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001. Due to Pakistan's porous borders with Afghanistan, large numbers of Afghanistan's minority communities, based mainly around the cities Kabul, Kandahar >Kandahar, andJalalabad have fled, and some Sikhs have joined their kinsmen in Peshawar and Lahore.

The Sikh community in Pakistan in modern times

.Until today, Sikhs have mainly kept a low profile within the monolithic population of Pakistan.

Though, Pakistan maintains the title of Islamic state, the articles twenty, twenty-one and twenty-two in chapter two of its constitution guarantees religious freedom to the non-Muslim residents.<A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism_in_Pakistan#cite_note-6">[7] Since indepdence in 1947, relations between Pakistan's minorities and the Muslim majority have remained fairly and politically stable.

Until 2002, Pakistan held a system of separate electorates for all its national legislative assemblies, with only a handful of parliamentary seats reserved for minority members. Minorities were legally only permitted to vote for designated minority candidates in general elections. The regime of former President General Pervez Musharraf had professed an agenda of equality for minorities and promotion and protection of minority rights, however, the implementation of corrective measures has been slow.

The historical and holy sites of Sikhs are maintained by a Pakistani governmental body, the Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee, which is responsible for their upkeep and preservation. Nonetheless, many Sikh shrines have fallen into disrepair since 1947,[8] as the remaining Sikh population and its corresponding manpower, economic power and political influence is minuscule compared to that of the pre-1947 community.

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However, before Partition :

Prior to the Partition of India in 1947, which divided British India into its successor states of Pakistan and India, Sikhs were spread all across the region of Punjab and played an important role in its economy as farmers, businessmen, and traders. Lahore, the capital of (now in Pakistan) Punjab was then and still is today the location of many important religious and historical sites for Sikhs, including the Samadhi of Ranjit Singh. The nearby town of Nankana Sahib has nine gurdwaras, and is the birthplace of Sikhism's founder, Guru Nanak Dev. Each of Nankana Sahib's gurdwaras are associated with different events in Guru Nanak Dev's life. The town remains an important site of pilgrimage for Sikhs worldwide

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Wikipedia :

Pakistan's estimated population was 172,800,000 in July 2008,[1] 96% Muslim, with Christians (1.6%) and Hindus (1.85%) making up the largest minority faiths, according to the last census taken in 1998.[2] Sikhs, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Ahmadi Muslims and some adherents to animist religions make up the remainder.

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Nice to see how the Hindu/sikh population in Pakistan has dwindled in the last 64 years, whereas the Muslim population has increased IN INDIA from 12% to 18 % , est 180,000,000.00, more muslims in India than Pakistan.

In Pakistan we finally get a Sikh memeber of the traffic police after 64 years, BUT the Stupid politicians in India, make muslims superstars of Bollywood.

The greedy corrupt politicians in India are only good at punishing Hindus and Sikhs ie Punjab, Assam, Gujrat, etc, and pandering to Muslims, whilst pocketing money for themsleves.

No wonder the Assamese Hindus want their own Hindu country, The Sikhs and (many Hindu Punjabis TODAY) want their own independant Punjab, Tamil Hindus want an independant Tamil nadu, Gujrati Hindus talking about an independant Gujrat.

Congress, BJP should all be scrapped.

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India is a Union. The politicians in power want to claim its one country when its not its made up of several past kingdoms which has many different ethnic religious nations. So this union like the European union is only as strong as the consent of the people and working together for the common good of the union. If the main big parties of central government cant reconcile the many different nations within the union to work together then its a doomed project it will fall apart within a few years if concessions are not made to appease the aggrieved peoples.

In the meanwhile the strength and numbers of muslims within the union is increasing at the expense of the dharmic faiths (hindus. sikhs, jains, buddhists,etc). Hinduveer you make a valid point in regards to the numbers of Sikhs and Hindus in pakistan that are decreaseing since 1947 because of persecution it is an important issue that we must highlight and bring world attention to. If no one makes a fuss there will be no non-muslims left in Pakistan while numbers of Muslims in Indian Union will increase threatening the power structure and voting in of governments that favor their community than others.

The hindu community can see this but our daft Sikh leadership and people focus on small issues when the tsumani is approaching like in 1947 they looked on at the sea until it washed them out and Sikhs were left with nothing. Our people really need to get a kick up the back side and have foresight at the future implications.

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In reality the corrupt leadership in India couldnt care less about the persecution and dwindling numbers of hindus and sikhs in Pakistan, or the abduction of 2 to 3 sikh hindu girls a week. They only care about their seats, money and power. Im glad Anna Hazare EMBARASSED them.

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