Warning To All Sikhs Do Not Waste Your Time With Shastar Vidya

hgsingh · February 29, 2012

Kluivert stop trying to insult me cause I exposed how dumb you are

Could you explain were I was shown up???

And could you explain why a brain dead person wouldn't fall for niddar singh's lies and you did

March 1, 2012

Gurfateh

Firstly Dasmeh Patshah told us to train in gatka, and he has done it in there times, and it may be practised by Rajput Hindu's but, our Guru said for us to lear it aswell so just understand and do what there Hukam says, dont argue, Fateh

Half of u guys have alot of ego man!

@Mrkhalsa007 @hgsingh

on behalf of the the others on here, u guys r MUGS! ppl like u make me laugh sooo hard.

1) for u to compare gatka to shasta vidya is an insult! gatka, whilst is good health wise and self defence-wise, but into warfare, gatka is not even on the same level as shastar vidya. gatka translates as stick play, shastar vidya was used on the battle field to KILL the opponent, not to just dance around in a circle, with a big stick. gatka is an exhibition, shastar vidya is there to hurt n eliminate enemies.

@hgsingh

2)rajputs were taken over by islamic invaders because at that point, the rajputs of that paticular generation had lost their martial tradition, and knowledge of shastar vidya.

3)Its a FACT that guru hargobind was taught shastar vidya by sum elite rajput princes in return for freeing their kind in gwalior, coz rajputs kept this knowledge of shastar vidya, to themselve.

4)the reason nihangs were forced into hiding when british took over, and cudnt use shastar vidya, in order to retaliate, is because after the british annexed Panjab, they had a mini genocide of nihangs, who they shot on sight, so many nihangs were forced into jungles.

5)Also along with shastar vidya, dasam granth, raag vidya (science of music) was banned by the british, as this was what gave sikhs the warrior power, and if removed, the sikhs would forget their identity and source of power. Also this is why there isno dasam granth inside Golden Temple, as they were removed, yet inside Non-Panjab Gurdwara Takhts (Patna Sahib -Bihar and Hazoor Sahib-Nanded) There is dasam granth, as the british never bothered with sikhs there.

now if you look at kirtan done at the gurdwara, have u seen raagis playing the following instruments, Saranda? Taus? Dilruba? NO, thats because the british banned them, and force fed us that incredibly boring instrument, vajaa (harmonium), which is a french instrument, not hindustani. Saranda was an instrument invented by guru arjan dev ji, dilruba/taus was invented by guru gobind singh, and now what do we have to show for their inventions, nothing! Raag Vidya was practiced especialy by Khalsa sikhs and sufis, now that Sufis have gon to pakistan, we have lost the knowledge and authenticity of the technique. Just like how we have lost genuine raag vidya, we have lost SHASTAR VIDYA, and now theres controversy over dasam granth. Had the british never meddled, then there wud b no conspiracies and doubts about whats original, genuine etc.

for u to almost (if i understand ur opinion correctly) imply that our gurus never did shastar vidya, is n insult to our faith, u should be thrown off this site.

i'll find some references of this, im sure there are hanging around on the net.

March 1, 2012

http://www.gatka.de/.../shastar-vidya/

here we are, explaining some of my points.

Luckily there are some groups/ppl who are trying to bring back raag vidya traditional instruments - watch the first two videos especially, lovly jubbly!

especially watch the Rabab/Saranda video, at 4:02 listen to wat Professor Surinder Singh Says.

Cisco_Singh · March 1, 2012

Cisco_singh you only try to insult me cause I showed how dumb people like you are

As well I never said its a fake martial art but niddar singh learned from hindu rajputs or from nihangs who learned the martial art from hindu rajputs or south india

It's already clear that Niddar Singh learned from a Nihang it clearly states it on his website that his Gurdev was Akali Baba Mohinder Singh. It's also clear that Sikhs did not invent the art it's thousands of years old and the belief system is that the Vidiya in it's pure form oiriginated from Atam Dev/Akaal/Shiva/Mahakaal.

You'll also find on various Nihang websites that they believe the Vidiya was entrusted to Guru Nanak Dev Ji, and passed to Baba Buddah who in turned passed it Guru Hargobind. How do you explain why tenchniques, strategy and methods enshrined in the Shastar Vidiya system are described in Sarbloh Granth and Dasam Granth ??

You can see a direct quote from the Shastar Vidiya website below:

"'This 'Vidiya' (knowledge of Shastar Vidiya) was started amongst the Sikhs by Guru Hargobind. Guru Hargobind was taught this Vidiya by Baba Buddha Ji. The master of all the vidiya (Knowledge) of the Guru's house was Baba Buddha Ji. He had attained the vidiya from Guru Nanak. He [baba Buddha Ji], taught the vidiya because the Muslims and Brahmins done such an evil deed that they martyred Guru Arjan Dev [fifth Sikh Guru] by making him sit on a hot metal sheet. That is why, with the blessing of Baba Buddha Ji, Guru Hargobind was born [to destroy evil]. He [baba Buddha Ji], had all the spiritual knowledge, and all other knowledge of Mantra Vidiya, Tantra Vidiya, this Chatka Gatka Vidiya* the giver of all knowledge was Baba Buddha Ji.'

(Nihang Baba Ram Singh, transcript of interview, 16th April 1998)"

March 1, 2012

Kluivert stop trying to insult me cause I exposed how dumb you are

Could you explain were I was shown up???

And could you explain why a brain dead person wouldn't fall for niddar singh's lies and you did

You serous with you insults?

Copy and pasting the same insult to different people does make you intelligent?

“”Kluivert stop trying to insult me cause I exposed how dumb you are”

“Cisco_singh you only try to insult me cause I showed how dumb people like you are”

Same thing over and over again.

I have magical powers and I can predict you next post.

“Kluivert stop trying to insult me cause i exposed how dumb you are

If I go and see Niddar i will make him cry,”

Mate change your insult at least show a bit of intelligence in your discussions.

Oh no are you going to say, “Kluivert stop trying to insult me cause I exposed how dumb you are”

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“”Kluivert stop trying to insult me cause I exposed how dumb you are”

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KhalistaniGunMan · March 1, 2012

@Mrkhalsa007 @hgsingh

on behalf of the the others on here, u guys r MUGS! ppl like u make me laugh sooo hard.

1) for u to compare gatka to shasta vidya is an insult! gatka, whilst is good health wise and self defence-wise, but into warfare, gatka is not even on the same level as shastar vidya. gatka translates as stick play, shastar vidya was used on the battle field to KILL the opponent, not to just dance around in a circle, with a big stick. gatka is an exhibition, shastar vidya is there to hurt n eliminate enemies.

@hgsingh

2)rajputs were taken over by islamic invaders because at that point, the rajputs of that paticular generation had lost their martial tradition, and knowledge of shastar vidya.

3)Its a FACT that guru hargobind was taught shastar vidya by sum elite rajput princes in return for freeing their kind in gwalior, coz rajputs kept this knowledge of shastar vidya, to themselve.

4)the reason nihangs were forced into hiding when british took over, and cudnt use shastar vidya, in order to retaliate, is because after the british annexed Panjab, they had a mini genocide of nihangs, who they shot on sight, so many nihangs were forced into jungles.

5)Also along with shastar vidya, dasam granth, raag vidya (science of music) was banned by the british, as this was what gave sikhs the warrior power, and if removed, the sikhs would forget their identity and source of power. Also this is why there isno dasam granth inside Golden Temple, as they were removed, yet inside Non-Panjab Gurdwara Takhts (Patna Sahib -Bihar and Hazoor Sahib-Nanded) There is dasam granth, as the british never bothered with sikhs there.

now if you look at kirtan done at the gurdwara, have u seen raagis playing the following instruments, Saranda? Taus? Dilruba? NO, thats because the british banned them, and force fed us that incredibly boring instrument, vajaa (harmonium), which is a french instrument, not hindustani. Saranda was an instrument invented by guru arjan dev ji, dilruba/taus was invented by guru gobind singh, and now what do we have to show for their inventions, nothing! Raag Vidya was practiced especialy by Khalsa sikhs and sufis, now that Sufis have gon to pakistan, we have lost the knowledge and authenticity of the technique. Just like how we have lost genuine raag vidya, we have lost SHASTAR VIDYA, and now theres controversy over dasam granth. Had the british never meddled, then there wud b no conspiracies and doubts about whats original, genuine etc.

for u to almost (if i understand ur opinion correctly) imply that our gurus never did shastar vidya, is n insult to our faith, u should be thrown off this site.

i'll find some references of this, im sure there are hanging around on the net.

well said KOP bro...its time we returned to the authentic original traditions practised by the khalsa before the arrival of the british....i cant believe how some sikhs just disrespect shastar vidya...it was used by our ancestors...gatka cant compare against shastar vidya..and thats a fact

Mrkhalsa007 · March 1, 2012

VJKK VJKF

Kop singh Sorry for the insult, i didnt know, We should learn martial arts, Guru ji said watever one it is the main thing is to defend yourself , And why u guys arguing man this isnt cool caling each of ur brothers dumb, mugs, we dont need these talks we are all brothers and sister.

VJKK VJKF Ji

hgsingh · March 1, 2012

Kop singh and cisco singh

A lot of the Rajputs lost their martial tradition after the arabs defeated them and shaster vidya failed in stopping the arabs and this happened when they were marrying their daughters to mughuls

I never said sikhs never trained in shaster vidya they larned every combat system that they could learn and became the best at it but I doubt and don't believe in conspiracy's and don't believe niddar singh is last remaining man with knowledge on shastar vidya

Why didn't niddar singh's teacher just open up a school and save the art rather then find someone in his 80's to teach?

Or after the british left why didn't nihangs open up schools to save the martial arts?

Niddar singh's teacher may of lied and said he the last remaining teacher when in reality he just learned shaster vidya from rajput hindus or other nihangs

Or niddar singh learned from rajputs or south indians or other nihangs who learned from rajputs or south indians

Now pleasae examine the video I posted and look at niddar singh's hand to hand combat system

If you have bin in a fight explain how these techniques would work on the streets?

Seriously look at his hand to hand system dude someone posted that hand to hand system on sherdog and people were laughing

Anyone you show that video to will laugh at niddar singh's hand to hand

hgsingh · March 2, 2012

Kluivert I'm not insulting you I'm telling the truth about you and how dumb you are

If you look at the video of niddar singh you will see why he's scared to accept any challenges also why his students don't compete

Sikhs need to learn how to fight but niddar singh's teachings will get you knocked out

KhalistaniGunMan · March 2, 2012

Kluivert I'm not insulting you I'm telling the truth about you and how dumb you are

If you look at the video of niddar singh you will see why he's scared to accept any challenges also why his students don't compete

Sikhs need to learn how to fight but niddar singh's teachings will get you knocked out

its our tradition..do you want it to die out?...preserve the fighting style of your ancestors!!...shastar vidya is a weapon specialising art.....real battle is for warriors..the real test is to ask millitary men which art they prefer...i can guarantee they would choose the art which kills the quickest...shastar vidya is brutal..it isnt for competitions..its for war

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