Warning To All Sikhs Do Not Waste Your Time With Shastar Vidya

[proactive]

Niddar is the ultimate salesman! He knows what the kids want are fairy stories and he just takes elements of fantasy stories like Star Wars, Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings and even the Da Vinci Code. In Star Wars read Luke Skywalker as Niddar and Baba Mohinder Singh as Yoda. Maybe when Niddar went to India on holiday Baba Mohinder Singh thought.. the faarse is strong in him!

It's easy to dissect his fairy stories. So we have to believe that Guru Nanak was the first to teach the martial art to Baba Buddha. If that had been the case then this would have been mentioned in the Janamsakhis which it clearly is not. There was no reason for the writers of the Janamsakhi to keep this 'fact' hidden especially as the SV only became a 'secret' martial art after 1849. Had SV been such a great martial art then surely it would have been inducted into the training regime of the Khalsa army of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. If not his army then why not the armies of the Sikh states like Patiala, Faridkot, Jind or Nabha? If the British did issue shoot on sight orders against Nihangs which is very unlikely as there is no mention of such an order in the British records then there was many places that a Nihang could hide and carry on teaching SV in secret in Punjab. To think that SV survived 150 years and was about to die out until Niddar went on holiday to India is something that only a fool would believe.

It is interesting that the only evidence offered for the history of SV on their website are transcripts of interviews with so and so Baba. Not much other evidence is offered. It is interesting to speculate that after calling his secret martial art 'Chatka Gatka' ( didn't Baba Mohinder Singh tell his the name of the secret martial art) for sometime he eventually called it SV.

[Cisco_Singh]

SV would have been part of the training regime of the Khalsa Army...under Maharajah Ranjit Singhs command.. Akali Phoola Singh was Jathedar of Akal Takht being a Nihang his troops would have had knowledge of Shastar Vidiya.

In Nihang traditional oral tradition they believe that SV was passed down from Guru Nanak Dev Ji via Baba Buddah, this is what is Buddah Dal still profess to this day.

You will find most letha martial arts to this day are very secretive, they were designed to preserve cultures not taught to outsiders. See how many traditional japaneese sword schools are willing to teach outsiders...or even if they do will they teach you the "proper" art form....

It's also common knowledge that the british demilitarised punjab after the anglo-Sikh wars and all weaponry was banned, you can see this if you google Davinder Toors presentations.

As already mentioned it's not just SV that has been largely lost...what of traditional Raag Vidiya...why is the european harmonium the chief instrument in Kirtan...where it never existed in Punjab before the 1800's ??

[Guest KopSingh]

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Kop singh Sorry for the insult, i didnt know, We should learn martial arts, Guru ji said watever one it is the main thing is to defend yourself , And why u guys arguing man this isnt cool caling each of ur brothers dumb, mugs, we dont need these talks we are all brothers and sister.

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SV would have been part of the training regime of the Khalsa Army...under Maharajah Ranjit Singhs command.. Akali Phoola Singh was Jathedar of Akal Takht being a Nihang his troops would have had knowledge of Shastar Vidiya.

In Nihang traditional oral tradition they believe that SV was passed down from Guru Nanak Dev Ji via Baba Buddah, this is what is Buddah Dal still profess to this day.

You will find most letha martial arts to this day are very secretive, they were designed to preserve cultures not taught to outsiders. See how many traditional japaneese sword schools are willing to teach outsiders...or even if they do will they teach you the "proper" art form....

It's also common knowledge that the british demilitarised punjab after the anglo-Sikh wars and all weaponry was banned, you can see this if you google Davinder Toors presentations.

As already mentioned it's not just SV that has been largely lost...what of traditional Raag Vidiya...why is the european harmonium the chief instrument in Kirtan...where it never existed in Punjab before the 1800's ??

agree

[hgsingh]

Khalistanigunman chris kyle the most dangerous navy seals green beret's israel commandos invest most their time when training in hand to hand combat in mma

Chris kyle talks about his hand to hand training in the navy seals in his book and how much emphasis is put in being a lethal striker and how boxing and muay thai is what navy seals put the most time into when it comes to striking

Navy seals and green beret and united states army has mma tournments for their soldiers to improve their hand to hand combat system

Almost all martial arts were created for war and to kill but over time newer martial arts form were they take aspects from older martial arts that work and leave out the garbage

Reason mma fighters focus on boxing and muay thai and wrestling and sambo and ji jitsu and judo is cause these martial arts worked best in different tournments that were set up to see which martial arts were best and the rules anything goes and truth was exposed how dangerous these martial ats really were cause they failed to kill anyone

You take any of niddar singh's students if they get into a fight with a pakistani who is a boxer you know niddar singh's student is getting knocked out in a one on one fight by just looking at niddar singhs hand to hand combat system in the video I posted

That's why niddar singh is to scared to compete and that is why they won't put up videos tudents sparring cause from sparring you get to see how effective the techniques are

[Cisco_Singh]

Khalistanigunman chris kyle the most dangerous navy seals green beret's israel commandos invest most their time when training in hand to hand combat in mma

Chris kyle talks about his hand to hand training in the navy seals in his book and how much emphasis is put in being a lethal striker and how boxing and muay thai is what navy seals put the most time into when it comes to striking

Navy seals and green beret and united states army has mma tournments for their soldiers to improve their hand to hand combat system

Almost all martial arts were created for war and to kill but over time newer martial arts form were they take aspects from older martial arts that work and leave out the garbage

Reason mma fighters focus on boxing and muay thai and wrestling and sambo and ji jitsu and judo is cause these martial arts worked best in different tournments that were set up to see which martial arts were best and the rules anything goes and truth was exposed how dangerous these martial ats really were cause they failed to kill anyone

You take any of niddar singh's students if they get into a fight with a pakistani who is a boxer you know niddar singh's student is getting knocked out in a one on one fight by just looking at niddar singhs hand to hand combat system in the video I posted

That's why niddar singh is to scared to compete and that is why they won't put up videos tudents sparring cause from sparring you get to see how effective the techniques are

It's pretty clear from the majority of your posts that your not a martial artist, nor do you have any concept or knowledge of comabt systems.

Firstly it doesnt matter if your hands are up or down if your not in striking range or on the periphery..your opponent cannot reach you therefore he cannot hit you....

Niddar Singh is able to keep his hands down and adopt that partiular stance for a reason...his skill level allows it...he presents nothing for his opponent to read, once in correct range or the periphery you rely on misalignment of the oppenents strikes..before taking up a superior tactical position..from which you can then engage.

[papidas]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh ||

If SV isnt important why would Dasam Pita Dhan Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj Have gotten his Sikhs to learn it. Gatka is just another form of Shastar Vidya. So What you are implying is Our Father Taught us a fighting style from the time of the Fourth and Fifth Guru Sahiban (yes BOTH THE FOURTH AND FIFTH KINGS WERE EXPERTS IN HUNTSMANSHIP ETC) that was supposedly not the strongest in the world. Please do not do Nindya of any GURSIKH PREMI NO MATTER WHAT. OUR GURUS NEVER SUPPORTED SLANDER OR FREELY GIVEN PRAISE) LOGAN KI CHATURAYI UPMA TE BAISANTAR JHAR ||

DASAM PITA NEVER SLANDERED AURANGZEB IN THE ZAFARNAMA INSTEAD HE EXPLAINED TO HIM WHAT HE WAS DOING RIGHT AND WRONG. DONT DESTROY THE PANTH THROUGH SLANDER.

SATASANGAT ATE VAHEGURU AKAL PUARAKH SAHIB JEO ATE GURU SAHIB MAHARAJ JEO BHUL CHUK MUAAF KARNA JEO ATE SOJHI TE SUMAT BAKHSO JI ||

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH ||

[hgsingh]

Cisco_singh I clearly know martial arts and know a lot about combat system

And clearly you know nothing and you bin to scared to ever fight anyone that is why your dumb enough to believe that hand to hand system would work

Anyone who knows anything about fighting laughs when they see that video

Their is no way your going to misalign someone by taking a step left or right unless your fighting a retard if someone knows how to fight their going to break niddar singh's face

Ciso_singh thanks for showing your dumber then a retard

Everyone else watch that video carefully and use common sence

[hgsingh]

Cisco_singh those hand to hand techniques of niddar singh would work on you cause your stupid but niddar singh would fail big time on misaligning other people in a fight that's why he would get smashed and that's why he's to scared to compete or even put up videos of them sparring cause normal people would knock him out using his techniques to misalign

Theirs a reason most people who watch that video laugh at how stupid the techniques are

[hgsingh]

As sikhs learn the best fighting systems out their

Most martial arts schools whose hand to hand systems don't work are still better then niddar singh's hand to hand system of keeping hands down and misalign by going to the left or right

In demonstrations yeah the techniques look cool if guy throws punch you grab arm like this then strike the throat I did kung fu from age 7 to 14 trust me those methods of trying to catch the punch or dodge and and grab his arm and snap it like that doesn't work and that's why you don't look at demonstrations you look at classes when you get to see students spare and you'll learn a lot about how effective the techniques are

If what they teach in self defence class is to hard to use when sparring like what we larned in kung fu then you know your wasting your time learning those techniques

Cisco_singh to show how stupid you are if niddar singh had skill set to make his hand to hand system work he would be more skilled then mohommad ali ever was

Its funny niiddar singh's supporters would talk about niddar singh having open challenges and if he loses he would step down and this claim is made by all niddar singh supporters and to show how stupid his supporters are when I email niddar singh's school about this they say they don't and never have accepted open challenges

His supporters believe a the dumbest things without researching like open challnges

Cisco_singh do you train at niddar singhs school to know his skill level or you an <banned word filter activated> who blindly believes things without researching facts

Cause if you train with him get some videos of these guys sparring put on youtube and expose the world to how stupid a lot of his training is when it comes to hand to hand combat

Their's one thing to make claims but back it up with evidence or all you show is your a dumb person who will believe anything without researching the facts or thinking for yourself

But just look at the video I posted and look at his hand to hand combat system most people who watch that video laugh their butts off at how stupid it is

Theirs reason niddar singh is to scared to accept challenges or let his students compete cause anyone with 2 weeks of training in boxing would kn niddar singh when he would try to misalign them keeping his hands down the fight would last 4 seconds then you would need to call an ambulance for niddar singh

But if you look at how hindu niddar singh is you can tell he learned this martial art from hindu rajputs or his teachers learned it from hindus

[Ishvar2]

'As sikhs learn the best fighting systems out their'

I agree :happy2: