A Buddhist Can Immolate Himself Peacefully To Protest Oppression ... Is This A Proof Of Their Kamaai

[GuptUnknown]

Just kind

[GuptUnknown]

Just kind of not liking how loosely the "Braham Gyani" is used now days. He may have been a Braham Gyani, or he may have not been, who are we to say? Also its COMPLETELY wrong to call his sacrafice cowardly/suicide in any sense. If it would be acceptable in Sikhi, is debatable, but kind of a useless debate since he was buddhist. He stuck with his dharm, kudos to him, it is inspiring for the world either way, in a world where the majority is lacking dharm.

[chatanga]

Just kind of not liking how loosely the "Braham Gyani" is used now days. He may have been a Braham Gyani, or he may have not been, who are we to say?

Budhists dont beleive in God as the great spirit, so i dont think they would desrcibe themselves as having braham gian.

[N30S1NGH]

Well they consider this shaheed in the video as "bodhisattva"

In Buddhism, a bodhisattva (Sanskrit: बोधिसत्त्वbodhisattva; Pali: बोधिसत्तbodhisatta) is either an enlightened (bodhi) existence (sattva) or an enlightenment-being or, given the variant Sanskrit spelling satva rather than sattva, "heroic-minded one (satva) for enlightenment (bodhi)

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[Mat Pulo Rai]

Well they consider this shaheed in the video as "bodhisattva"

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Well thats fair engough, but using Braham Gyani on a sikh forum is abit short sited as it means God to us sikhs

[N30S1NGH]

Bhramgyani = enlightened one = bodhisattva

Now we are playing with semantics....that was never my intention to play around with labels, so i take the word - bhramgyani back for sake of focusing on the topic at hand.

[Only five]

So was beanta butcher unlawfully killed by Rajoana and his comrades?

Here comes another member trying to play with Sikhs emotions. If you want to play with Sikhs emotions and take them away from Sikhi, then go right ahead and Akal Purakh will deal with you. Many times when people have nothing to add to discussions they unintentionally or intentionally ask these type of questions to divide the Sikhs by playing with emotions. I won't play into your ill intentions.

Is this the same Sant that said " muslim be a true muslim, hindu be a true hindus and sikhs be a true sikh? He would have more probably said " Buddhist be a true Buddhist and fight as your dharma allows..." which is pretty much what the Buddhist did.

Everything needs to be understood in context. And obviously you have taken taken Sant ji's words out of context to fit your thinking on this discussion. So present this video and let the people decide for themselves what Sant ji is actually saying, instead getting a biased view point. Satguru Sri Guru Arjun Dev ji Maharaj said (along with Bhagat Kabir Ji Maharaj) in Gurbani that they are neither Hindu or Muslim. Sant Baba Jarnail SIngh ji Khalsa has also said why do Hindus call themselves Hindus, don't they know this term was put on them and is calling them thieves. Present that video and peole can look at your post from the context Sant ji said it. And don't tell me to present it, when you are the one that is refering to it. The onus is on you not on someone else.

what a ridiculuous comparison to make, Guru Ji is the Spiritual Guide of the SIkhs, but Dasam Guru has left the Khalsa body the physical roop of himself, why would we burn the spirit which never dies, we would sacrifice our physical bodies of course.

The ridiculuous part of this discussion is that you don't understand that Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj bowed to Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, he said every page is my ang (limb) and this is the true Guru. Obviously you don't understand the Buddhist religion to understand the similarities. That monk teacher that lit himself on fire also never dies as the Buddhist religion teaches. That monk teacher is the Buddha (Divine teacher). For that he is similar to Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, but like i stated before Satguru is higher. By putting the monk on fire you can't kill him, all that takes place is that the body disappears. When someone does the same to Maharaj then nothing comes or goes, just the form disappears, but the true form is still there. Without Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj there is no Khalsa body. Again you don't understand the Budhist religion and frankly you don't understand Sikhi in this context. In their religion they don't consider the first Buddha as a Guru or God. He was a person that reached nirvana and thats it. So other monks follow the teachings to reach Nirvanna and themselves are Buddhas when they reach nirvanna. Hence the Monk in the video is refered to as a divine teacher and the other monks are bowing to him.

well said. What about Guru Tegh Bahadur's Ji options? He could have said to auranga " lets fight a duel with swords, if you win i'll convert to islam..." Why did Guru JI and the Sikhs just give their lives without taking the enemies head? Can we say that Guru Ji led himself and the SIkhs to suicide?

Seriously, stop getting emotional. If you can't be clear headed then don't participate because it just makes you look like a guy, who is just going through something in your life and now your taking your emotions out on people here. Satguru just didn't give his life away, neither did he tell a Sikh to cut his head off. The enemy in this sakhi had the choice of whether or not to take Satguru's head off. Satguru left it in Maharaj's Hukam. The Buddhist monk on the other hand decided he will take his own life. If you wanted to say both are similar then the monks life would be put in the enemies hand and not in his own hands. If you want to compare both then the Buddhist would have gone to the enemy and let them deal with him and then have that video taped. Now don't get emotional and start saying i'm telling the buddhist monk what he should have done. But saying this is the way to say both would be similar.

[Singh559]

Sant Baba Jarnail SIngh ji Khalsa has also said why do Hindus call themselves Hindus, don't they know this term was put on them and is calling them thieves. Present that video and peole can look at your post from the context Sant ji said it. And don't tell me to present it, when you are the one that is refering to it. The onus is on you not on someone else.

Bro, what does that have anything to do with Sant Jarnail Singh Ji telling Hindus to be pakkay Hindus?

[Mat Pulo Rai]

@ anyone thinks self sacrifice is anti gurmat

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Saaka_Punja_Sahib,_True_Story

Also if anyone knows the of the story with the Singh who was running from Mughal asked a kiln owner for a safe place to stay, jokingly he said if you faith in your guru hide in the already Lit Brick kiln, which he did without a second thought.

[Only five]

Bro, what does that have anything to do with Sant Jarnail Singh Ji telling Hindus to be pakkay Hindus?

Again don't believe everything you read (be a true Hindu or True Muslim). The original poster that posted it is taking Sant ji's words out of context. Listen to the interview of Sant ji when he said it and understand the context of that interview and the situation at the time. Also it is good not to nitpick at others post. Understand that Satguru said he is neither Hindu or Muslim.