I'm Ashamed To Admit It....

[DDAVIDALE 13]

Sangat jeo,

I'm truly ashamed to admit it, this is beyond what I can type-how could it get that far... but here goes, I've jst come back from a party and you know what, the church next door was full of punjabi's, i could even see turbanned indians alongside many, many indian women. It was 9.0pm. It seemed full from what I could see. I've never seen this many people at a place of worship at this time! I stood there for a mere 3 minutes wondering why, before I was told to get to my destination.

I'm not against anyone, not anyone who preaches God, end of the day-he's our saviour-whatever faith you look at. But I'm a sikh. I'm sure these people are from India-I'm shocked, they've travelled 6,000 miles to realise their 'faith' doesn't fulfill them. From my past research it appears as if they are, the christians that is, are actively seeking other breathren to join their faith. The women are drawn because I sense they can belong to something. Maybe they didn't understand sikhi-I dont know-but I'm scared as hell!

1. What led them this way?

2. Were they dumbfounded, were they converted?

3. Were they just fed up?

PLEASE GIVE YOUR OPINIONS

I know many punjabi churches now exist in places like Gurdaspur, Canada, UK, America, etc...

[TuheeTuhee 19]

some could question you being at a party you to are given up your faith ?

[DDAVIDALE 13]

Good reply, can you guess what party I was it, does it seriously need extrapolating....however that was not the question, I write this as an astonished and embarrased individual. Please give your replys to the leading question........

[MokhamSingh 918]

Sangat jeo,

I'm truly ashamed to admit it, this is beyond what I can type-how could it get that far... but here goes, I've jst come back from a party and you know what, the church next door was full of punjabi's, i could even see turbanned indians alongside many, many indian women. It was 9.0pm. It seemed full from what I could see. I've never seen this many people at a place of worship at this time! I stood there for a mere 3 minutes wondering why, before I was told to get to my destination.

I'm not against anyone, not anyone who preaches God, end of the day-he's our saviour-whatever faith you look at. But I'm a sikh. I'm sure these people are from India-I'm shocked, they've travelled 6,000 miles to realise their 'faith' doesn't fulfill them. From my past research it appears as if they are, the christians that is, are actively seeking other breathren to join their faith. The women are drawn because I sense they can belong to something. Maybe they didn't understand sikhi-I dont know-but I'm scared as hell!

1. What led them this way?

2. Were they dumbfounded, were they converted?

3. Were they just fed up?

PLEASE GIVE YOUR OPINIONS

I know many punjabi churches now exist in places like Gurdaspur, Canada, UK, America, etc...

Khalsa Ji

About 35 years ago in England a church Vicar claimed that the Sikhs will look towards Christianity in the years to come in order to find peace and tranquility. This sounded totally absurd at the time but the Vicar's prediction seems to be coming true. The Sikh faith is the most tranquil faith on earth , it's a shame that as Sikhs we have turned our Gurdwara's into politics and the only preachers that are allowed a public forum are those who wish to turn Gursikhi into a battle ground. It hurts me very much to see people turning their backs on Gursikhi but as humans some people are just yearning for tranquility without politics and battle cries.

Sorry for any hurtful remarks.

[DDAVIDALE 13]

Mohkam singh ji-why are people turning away, our guru ji-blessed us-the Sri Guru Granth Sahib has all the answers..why don't folk simply read it,,,

[MokhamSingh 918]

Mohkam singh ji-why are people turning away, our guru ji-blessed us-the Sri Guru Granth Sahib has all the answers..why don't folk simply read it,,,

Very true Khalsa Ji but these people claim to receive respect , love , and warmth in their new found faith. These qualities seem to diminishing from our Sikh community , alas.

[SikhLocal 4]

do you mind me asking what area this was in?

[KHALISTAN ~~(KALA-BARJ)~~ 9]

Is this the place in Handsworth, Birmingham..? Nxt to Soho community center..?

[ks55 77]

it was only yesterday that they had this bserk guy who was a christian reading his bible on SANGAT TV IN EK NOOR PROGRAMME

Not sure if anyone saw this but it was the most pathetic thing ever -have we not enough sikhs left

[DDAVIDALE 13]

No this was in Ilford but I'm aware of a place in Handsworth not entirely sure if its the one you are refering too...

[RanjeetSingh 19]

Waheguru Waheguru.

I think the youngsters such as ourselves should start becoming part of our locals Gurudwaras committees and in the end they will leave at one point as they are OAP's and its up to us youngsters to keep Sikhi true to its basics. I am going tomorrow to Barking Gurudwara to sign up to be a member. One thing that hurt me the most was this - I went to get a Sukhmani Sahib paath booked for my daughters 5th Birthday and this is what they quoted

1- Ragis - £40

2- Langar and electric - £475

3 - Sukhmani Sahib Paath - £16 !!!!

I mean they should not break it down like this is it seems that there is a very low price on the Gurbani itself ! I know we are in recession etc but this is wrong on so many levels. They should call it a Sukhmani Sahib Seva - total price included etc etc. We need to step as most of the elders in the committees are ruining the very essence of Naam and Gurbani without even knowing it. We are becoming engrossed in maya and this is being fed subconsciously to the Saadh Sangat so they dont care. There are not enough English Gurbani talks and Kathas on Sikh history in local Gurudwaras. We should, using this website as you are all doing, keep advertising events and organising young prominent Gursikhs like Bhai Nirvair Singh Khalsa Jatha and Bhai Sukha SIngh UK wale etc, we need to get together as a force and organise more and more monthly events around locals Gurudwaras, not just stop at the big ones like Singh Sabha Southall, Gravesend, Wolverhampton etc. We need to do these more and more at the more local Gurudwaras like Barking, Leyton, Rosebery etc. I am sorry to rant but I am genuinely hurt at the breakdown done by the elders without them even realising it.

Sincere apologies if I have offended anyone with my comments.

[VanHelsingh 1,983]

A Sukhmani Sahib da Paat for £500+??!? You have got to be kidding me! How much does an Akhand Paat cost?

If they didn't extend and build wing after wing of extra halls to existing Gurughar buildings, the cost of the electricity to keep these huge halls lit and warm wouldn't be so high. These practices will not end well --- not end well at all.

[gsinghysingh 12]

I put it down to cultural issues, i know of a couple sikh converts to christianity and they generaly fit the same bill.

They may have had issues with the pressure of south asian culture within there familes because many actually dont know much about sikhi and when they seek help from outside, they see sikhi and there culture as the same thing.

Its a shame but it doesnt hurt as much as them turning to islam, this girl at my work place (a few years ago) simran. Converted to islam, she married the guy changed her name and startdd wearing hijab, the crappy thing was she didnt give a monkeys. All the apnay stopped speaking to her but she really didnt care. Her dad and brother (dad was pugwala) started coming to wotk to try and speak to her obviously she must have run away.

Theres is a lot that can be done to try and prevent this but try telling that to the biggest flop in the history of gurdwara, THE COMMITEE. they keep building massive gurdwara that are dead mon-sat. Ask any of the kids that actually attend gurdwara to name all the gurus and there lost.

There are good guys and gals out there that are trying to do parchars and help in the gurdwara and all the best to them. Its just a shame theres to little.

[RebelSingh 164]

I put it down to cultural issues, i know of a couple sikh converts to christianity and they generaly fit the same bill.

They may have had issues with the pressure of south asian culture within there familes because many actually dont know much about sikhi and when they seek help from outside, they see sikhi and there culture as the same thing.

Its a shame but it doesnt hurt as much as them turning to islam, this girl at my work place (a few years ago) simran. Converted to islam, she married the guy changed her name and startdd wearing hijab, the crappy thing was she didnt give a monkeys. All the apnay stopped speaking to her but she really didnt care. Her dad and brother (dad was pugwala) started coming to wotk to try and speak to her obviously she must have run away.

Theres is a lot that can be done to try and prevent this but try telling that to the biggest flop in the history of gurdwara, THE COMMITEE. they keep building massive gurdwara that are dead mon-sat. Ask any of the kids that actually attend gurdwara to name all the gurus and there lost.

There are good guys and gals out there that are trying to do parchars and help in the gurdwara and all the best to them. Its just a shame theres to little.

if that was my daughter/sister, i wuda smashed her face in, and then the sullah afterwards. y is it sooooooo easy for our kurriyan to do this, without a backlash? sad times man, r men need 2 man up

[Haky189 1]

I have also noticed this, there is a church in Langley which i go past reguarly to see punjabis in large numbers. Even my pind in India which is a very small pind and i mean really small that has a church too. My gran was telling me about how one full amritdhari sengh who used to preach to her to take amrit and read bani at the pind gurdwara on a regular basis he converted to christianity too, shaved his long beard and cut his hair. I was really shocked when i found out about this. What can be done?