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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

A Urgent Panthic meeting has been called in regards to the destruction of a Gurdwara Sahib in India by the Anti Sikh sect 'Radha Soami'.

Meeting at Guru Har Rai Gurdwara Sahib, High Street, West Bromwich on Sunday 15th July at 6pm.

Please attend and forward to similar Panthic thinkers.

FAO: Sikh Youth, Jathebandian and Gurdwara Committees.

Expose this cancer of Radha Soami on Sikhi.

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

A Urgent Panthic meeting has been called in regards to the destruction of a Gurdwara Sahib in India by the Anti Sikh sect 'Radha Soami'.

Meeting at Guru Har Rai Gurdwara Sahib, High Street, West Bromwich on Sunday 15th July at 6pm.

Please attend and forward to similar Panthic thinkers.

FAO: Sikh Youth, Jathebandian and Gurdwara Committees.

Expose this cancer of Radha Soami on Sikhi.

Paji, I think we need to approach matters with these various (fake) Dera's with great caution. Rather than getting hot under the collar about certain groups outright hatred of us simply for being Sikhs, we need to re-double our efforts to outgun them in terms of serving the community, acceptance of sehajdhari's and those of an erstwhile Hindu or UP/Bihar background within the Sikh Panth and of course parchaar. When the original leaders of RSSB were Amritdhari who pledged their lives solely towards Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj we simply need to highlight the business practises of later leaders of an organisation which demolishes Gurdware and how they colluded with Indira to remove SGGS Ji Maharaj from Beas for financial gain. But the key is how we interact with RSSB devotees. Pyaar and pure logic will win them over. Aggressiveness won't.

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Paji, I think we need to approach matters with these various (fake) Dera's with great caution. Rather than getting hot under the collar about certain groups outright hatred of us simply for being Sikhs, we need to re-double our efforts to outgun them in terms of serving the community, acceptance of sehajdhari's and those of an erstwhile Hindu or UP/Bihar background within the Sikh Panth and of course parchaar. When the original leaders of RSSB were Amritdhari who pledged their lives solely towards Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj we simply need to highlight the business practises of later leaders of an organisation which demolishes Gurdware and how they colluded with Indira to remove SGGS Ji Maharaj from Beas for financial gain. But the key is how we interact with RSSB devotees. Pyaar and pure logic will win them over. Aggressiveness won't.

Not sure how the original Radha Soamis could be Amritdhari as the cult believes in a living Guru. They also allow cutting Kesh and have added their own words to Gurbani.

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Not sure how the original Radha Soamis could be Amritdhari as the cult believes in a living Guru. They also allow cutting Kesh and have added their own words to Gurbani.

Jaimal Singh indeed was an Amritdhari who wanted reform within Sikhi as a response to the corruption that had increasingly crept in after 1849. Under Jaimal Singh the title deeds to the land at Beas were rightfully held in the name of SGGS Ji Maharaj. Similarly, Dayal Singh of the Nirankari's merely opposed idolatory practises that had crept up within Sikhs after 1849. We also see that Baba Ram Singh (that the Namdhari's claim as their own) was in fact a wholly committed Amritdhari who never claimed to be a living Guru. The "Living Guru" concept only arose when certain folks in the 20th century started realising it was a license to print money. On top of that Indira started funding them big time by pushing the line that sehajdhari's are not Sikh. By our own leadership de facto accepting that definition that sehajdhari Sikhs are effectively Hindu's (a premise which is clearly false) the result was that hundreds of thousands sehajdhari Sikhs ended up in the clutches of these fake Dera's.

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Jaimal Singh indeed was an Amritdhari who wanted reform within Sikhi as a response to the corruption that had increasingly crept in after 1849. Under Jaimal Singh the title deeds to the land at Beas were rightfully held in the name of SGGS Ji Maharaj. Similarly, Dayal Singh of the Nirankari's merely opposed idolatory practises that had crept up within Sikhs after 1849. We also see that Baba Ram Singh (that the Namdhari's claim as their own) was in fact a wholly committed Amritdhari who never claimed to be a living Guru.

Veerji, Jaimal Singh believed in Swami Shiv Dayal as his Satguru. This is evident in the letters he wrote to Sawan Singh, the guy who eventually succeeded him. Later these letters were collected and published as a book called spiritual letters. Shiv Dayal wasn't a Nirankari. He was from a family who believed in the Gurus to some degree and even did paath. Later he began doing sangat of Nirmalas from whom he began learning. He even began doing katha at the local Gurdwara. He was a heavy smoker of hooka and chewed a lot of tobacco paan. When Sikh soldiers who were stationed near by began coming to the Gurdwara he was doing Katha, many raised objections of how can a hooka smoker and paan chewer be allowed to do Katha, then he stopped doing his katha at the gurdwara but started privately in his own home. Jaimal Singh who was a Sikh soldier began doing his sangat during that time.

When Shiv Dayal died, many began to claim the little of Guruship. Jaimal Singh was one of them. At first he did not do it openly, but only privately amongst his close followers because he did not want to offend the central authority of the Radhasoami faith in Agra and who had better claim to being the successors of Shiv Dayal than Jaimal SIngh who was an unknown rogue at the time. The claimants who had a better case and much more following was Rai Saligram(the closest chela of Swami SD), Shiv Dayal's own brother, and his wife. The Radhasoami faith is a fake hybred faith mixing Sikhism, with Yoga, and Sufism. Nothing original. It is not a religion created by enlightened men.

Baba Ram Singh Namdhari on the other hand was a different case from these rogues. He was a pious Gursikh whose Chelas began calling him a Guru after he died. It's unfortunate the Kookas had to go the wrong way, otherwise they could have made very good Sikhs today.

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PLEASE SANGAT CHEAK THIS OUT, check the how many dislike there are and Sri Dasam Granth attack.

The dislike r a good thing init? Coz ppl r sayin that the video is disgustin etc. regarding the dasam granth hater, well less sed bowt them, the better.

also that user "4579deep" is a 22 yr old frm italy, and on another video "khalistan murdabad", hes written "sikhs are brother of muslim". HOW have these bandharsoamis developed such hate for sikhs, wen thye r the 1's who been brainwashed into a crappy cult? honesty the cheek of these pakhandi's.

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check out this page, its got more likes on this youtube page, its got bandharsoamis on there talkin rubbish

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If you check out all the videos the sikhchannel did on the Radhaswamis they all have very high number of dislikes, the radhaswami are highly organized.

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If you check out all the videos the sikhchannel did on the Radhaswamis they all have very high number of dislikes, the radhaswami are highly organized.

but i jus disliked it aswell, coz they smashed up a gurdwara, surely the dislike r frm sikhs paaji. or am i gettin it wrong? coz im hardly gonna click like on that page, whereas those fools wud.

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Jonny = Veerji, Jaimal Singh believed in Swami Shiv Dayal as his Satguru. This is evident in the letters he wrote to Sawan Singh, the guy who eventually succeeded him. Later these letters were collected and published as a book called spiritual letters.

UK = Yes Paji, i think that's where Jaimal Singh of RSSB perhaps veered away being an Amritdhari and may well have been patit by the end, if he truly did interpret tobacco+paan addicted Shiv Dayal as God in human form (LoL) by the end of his life

Jonny = Shiv Dayal wasn't a Nirankari.

UK = Yep Paji, the Dayal Singh i mentioned was the Nirankari founder as opposed to "Shiv"-Dayal of the Radha Soami's

Jonny =

(Shiv-Dayal) ... was from a family who believed in the Gurus to some degree and even did paath. Later he began doing sangat of Nirmalas from whom he began learning. He even began doing katha at the local Gurdwara. He was a heavy smoker of hooka and chewed a lot of tobacco paan. When Sikh soldiers who were stationed near by began coming to the Gurdwara he was doing Katha, many raised objections of how can a hooka smoker and paan chewer be allowed to do Katha, then he stopped doing his katha at the gurdwara but started privately in his own home. Jaimal Singh who was a Sikh soldier began doing his sangat during that time.

UK = Agreed

When Shiv Dayal died, many began to claim the little of Guruship. Jaimal Singh was one of them. At first he did not do it openly, but only privately amongst his close followers because he did not want to offend the central authority of the Radhasoami faith in Agra and who had better claim to being the successors of Shiv Dayal than Jaimal SIngh who was an unknown rogue at the time. The claimants who had a better case and much more following was Rai Saligram(the closest chela of Swami SD), Shiv Dayal's own brother, and his wife. The Radhasoami faith is a fake hybred faith mixing Sikhism, with Yoga, and Sufism. Nothing original. It is not a religion created by enlightened men.

UK = Agreed though there was a time a few years either side of 1891 when Jaimal Singh was an Amritdhari

Baba Ram Singh Namdhari on the other hand was a different case from these rogues. He was a pious Gursikh whose Chelas began calling him a Guru after he died. It's unfortunate the Kookas had to go the wrong way, otherwise they could have made very good Sikhs today.

UK = Exactly

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