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Alarming rise in HIV among drug addicts--notably punjabi youths!


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I have seen some AIDs cases in Punjab. All them them were either taxi drivers or truck drivers. Sadly these men also gave AIDs to their wives.

Me too. In the particular case I encountered the poor excuse for a human being had intercourse with his wife who then became pregnant. So not only was he afflicted with AIDS, his wife and the unborn child also received it. He didn't tell them he had a problem until he became ill and died some time later. He must've known he had a problem if word managed to get out. I think the wife has also passed away now.

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Paji, i understand your sentiments but we are far from from helpless. We as a Qaum are 30million strong. On these clear cut issues we have total unity. We just need to battle within our lives to eithe

This trend if not stopped will get worse and worse, seriously what alternatives are there, whos's to blame? Alarming rise in HIV among drug addicts Against the national average of 10% among injectabl

What else is there to expect when 'shooting up' heroin is so in vogue amongst the youth of Panjab.

It is a medical myth that circumcision can prevent HIV or any other disease.

I'm neither a doctor nor am I circumcised so all I'm doing is pointing out some things because I've noticed how nearly all of the news articles that appear about Punjab's AIDS problem lay the blame exclusively on heroin addiction. Basically, what we keep seeing is lazy journalism and it leaves the reader knowing only half the story.

Like I said, I'm no doctor but I often find medical journals pointing out how a circumsised man is statisticaly far less likely to get AIDS, and thus far less likely to pass it on.

Look, lets take those 5 ancient central asian trade route cities : Amritsar, Lahore, Peshawar-Kabul, and Tehran. All 5 of them have a bad drug problem. If people think the problem is bad in Amritsar they should visitTehran and other Iranian cities. The problems there are far far worse than Amritsar. Female and male heroin addicts everywhere, openly shooting up in the streets. Pakistani cities too have a problem of injecting adults far worse than Punjab. So....it is reasonable for one to ask oneself why it is just Punjab that has developed an AIDS problem to coincide with its heroin problem. When the other 4 cities mentioned have a worse injecting junkie problem surely their AIDS problem should be worse ? At this point, it is perfectly reasonable to remind oneself that of the 5 cities 4 are full of circumcised men and 1 is not. Is it just a co-incidence that it is just the one city without circumcision that has the AIDS problem ?

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"At this point, it is perfectly reasonable to remind oneself that of the 5 cities 4 are full of circumcised men and 1 is not. Is it just a co-incidence that it is just one city without circumcision that has the AIDS problem?"

From a purely scientific point of view, that would be regarded as at best, anecdotal evidence and at worst, speculation . A randomised-controlled trial (RCT) is the 'gold standard' of medical studies.

One could argue that with the other 4 cities being of very strict Islamic persuasion it is possible that despite the junkies shooting up, they at least using protection whilst having intercourse whereas in Amritsar it is a more liberal free-for-all society and barrier methods are not being used? Or maybe Amritsar is the only city that is not providing new clean syringes? Often, if a city or a given area has an 'ankowledged' drug problem, a "drop-in centre" will exist which at least provides clean needles etc. Public health officials are aware this will not solve the drugs epidemic in their cities but they at least don't want to be responsible for the spread of new diseases. Having said that, I would be surprised if such "drop-in" centres exist in the other 4 cities either, but who knows? Frankly, I don't know what the answer is. Further studies are required to answer that question.

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I maybe completely off-target on the following but wasn't circumcision on par with a bujjar kureit as specified by Guru Gobind Singh Ji? I'm sure I read somewhere Guru Ji stated there's no coming back for a Sikh of his if he: a) gets the snip, and / or b) "lies down" with a Muslim female.

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I maybe completely off-target on the following but wasn't circumcision on par with a bujjar kureit as specified by Guru Gobind Singh Ji? I'm sure I read somewhere Guru Ji stated there's no coming back for a Sikh of his if he: a) gets the snip, and / or b) "lies down" with a Muslim female.

Sikhs indeed should not be circumcised. That is the reason why you will never hear the subject being mentioned by the actvist Sikhs born in America that otherwise seem to love nothing more writing 'sikh' related issues. The reason they are quiet on the issue is because most of them are circumcised. Whilst circumcision is extremely rare (other than for religious reasons) here in the UK and all the other European countries and places such as Australia and New Zealand, it is the norm in America.....and, to a smaller extent, fairly common in Canada. In America, it is the norm for doctors, surgeons and mid-wives to reccommend circumcision. Thus most males (whether Sikh, Christian, Hindu or Jew) are circumcised.

Most of the so called 'intellectual' and academic Sikh articles published these days emanate from America. There is a very good reason why the subject of circumcision never comes up.

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West London Singh is making a good point. However, there are other factors not being accounted for.

I know these are unlikely other factors since these are not very developed countries, but do they have some sort of needle program where clean needles are easily obtainable or a wide availability of condoms?

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Sikhs indeed should not be circumcised. That is the reason why you will never hear the subject being mentioned by the actvist Sikhs born in America that otherwise seem to love nothing more writing 'sikh' related issues. The reason they are quiet on the issue is because most of them are circumcised. Whilst circumcision is extremely rare (other than for religious reasons) here in the UK and all the other European countries and places such as Australia and New Zealand, it is the norm in America.....and, to a smaller extent, fairly common in Canada. In America, it is the norm for doctors, surgeons and mid-wives to reccommend circumcision. Thus most males (whether Sikh, Christian, Hindu or Jew) are circumcised.

Most of the so called 'intellectual' and academic Sikh articles published these days emanate from America. There is a very good reason why the subject of circumcision never comes up.

Flip me, is that true (rhetorical question of course, I'm not doubting what you're telling me)?!? Deary me.

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circumcision is extremely rare (other than for religious reasons) here in the UK and all the other European countries and places such as Australia and New Zealand, it is the norm in America.....and, to a smaller extent, fairly common in Canada. In America, it is the norm for doctors, surgeons and mid-wives to reccommend circumcision. Thus most males (whether Sikh, Christian, Hindu or Jew) are circumcised.

Hmm...not quite sure where you got this information. There is a large growing trend in America in which parents are moving away from circumcision and doctors don't do it unless asked. In fact, doctors don't even do religious circumcision, that's done by Rabbi's, etc. Please bak your arguments up
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Sikhs indeed should not be circumcised. That is the reason why you will never hear the subject being mentioned by the actvist Sikhs born in America that otherwise seem to love nothing more writing 'sikh' related issues. The reason they are quiet on the issue is because most of them are circumcised. Whilst circumcision is extremely rare (other than for religious reasons) here in the UK and all the other European countries and places such as Australia and New Zealand, it is the norm in America.....and, to a smaller extent, fairly common in Canada. In America, it is the norm for doctors, surgeons and mid-wives to reccommend circumcision. Thus most males (whether Sikh, Christian, Hindu or Jew) are circumcised.

Most of the so called 'intellectual' and academic Sikh articles published these days emanate from America. There is a very good reason why the subject of circumcision never comes up.

Maybe in the 50's !!!

This is certainly NOT the case now at all.

I really don't think there are any more cases here than anywhere else in the world in terms of sikh men !!

I certainly don't understand how you deduced this information and then applied it to the sikhs of today !

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All scientific journals indicate that circumcison amongst american men has substantially reduced in the past two decades. It has been traditionally pushed by the military on the grounds of "hygiene". However, it is no longer the case that all american men are circumcised. With regards to Sikh americans, I would be surprised if they were circumcised, but I have no information.

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Maybe in the 50's !!!

This is certainly NOT the case now at all.

I really don't think there are any more cases here than anywhere else in the world in terms of sikh men !!

I certainly don't understand how you deduced this information and then applied it to the sikhs of today !

Well obviously I haven't done a survey of Sikh men in America by hanging around public toilets and taking a peek. Regarding your message above, you see thing about Americans is that you should never take what they say about themselves too seriously. Because they tend to know so little about the rest of the world they are not too good at comparison. Comparison wise.....the American rate of circumcision today is at an unbelievably high level compared to the UK, Continemtal Europe and even Latin America. Like imprisoning its young and executing its citizens....it's practices in this area are more akin to sub-Saharan Africa.

So......if you're comparing your circumcision rate today with that of Pakistan then yes, I suppose you're right, your rate is not all that high.

But......if you're comparing America and Canada's circumcision rate with that of the rest of the western world than trust me.......your rate is unbelievably high.

But....if you're right and the circumcision stopped in the 1950's I strongly suggest you urgently contact every major book publisher and every medical researcher.....for they are still showing you to have high 3rd world levels.

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I'd love to see these statistics which show circumcision rates in America and Europe

Well seeing how you'd really 'love' to see these statistics, I feel it my duty to oblige. Here :

http://www.circs.org/index.php/Reviews/Rates/Global

As you can see, it pretty much confirms what I said.....in that America and Canada have muslim country levels of circumcision compared to European and Latin American countries where circumcision is extremely rare other than for Jews and Muslims.

Canada = 44% circumcised

USA = 79% circumcised

Lithuania = 0.1% circumcised

Argentina = 2.4% circumcised

Spain = 2% circumcised

Holland - 5.9% circumcised

France (even with its huge Muslim and Jewish population included) = 14% circumcised

Norway = 1.1% circumcised

Cuba = 0.2% circumcised

Finland = 7.1& circumcised

Sweden = 2.2% circumcised

Ireland = 0.6% circumcised

Belgium = 3% circumcised

Portugal = 0.2% circumcised

Italy = 1.1% circumcised

Germany = 10.9% circumcised

UK = 15.8% circumcised

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