China Vs India Interesting Situation

[genie]

Interesting scenario shaping up with china's peoples liberation army allegedly incurring into Indian land?

I was thinking the India media is telling the truth maybe china did invade 19km into indian ladkh but then now im thinking its all geo-politics with america fingering Indian govt and in turn the indian media barking like it usually does to get the indian population to protest all to make a fuss about nothing in order to check china's lack of action on north korea (its ally). And thus the net result will be america will have closer ties with India.

It's also interesting for us Sikhs who want to have a separate nation state as only with China invading and having a war with the Indian army will nations seeking self governance like khalistan can rise up to liberate themselves from the Indian Union.

Whats your analysis?

[proactive]

Artificial countries like India either break up due to economic disasters, civil war and foreign intervention. China along with Pakistan would love to break up India into smaller units. Pakistan can never break up India. An invasion by a foreign power will initially bring the various nationalities together with a lot of jingoistic flag waving but once there is a military disaster as is a foregone conclusion in the case of a Chinese invasion, then saner elements within these nationalities will look at the disaster as an opportunity to break free from Indian control. Once one state goes then India is over as a viable nation. As in the case of Yugoslavia, once one state goes free then the others will do the same. The one state that could do this in the event of a military disaster is Kashmir. If Pakistan was involved, probably just in providing logistical support for a Chinese invasion, then it is likely that the Kashmiris would put pressure on Omar to declare independence. Either this or he would be hanging from the nearest tree. This would be the case if the Chinese broke through from Ladakh into the Kashmir valley. There is no doubt the Chinese would be welcomed as liberators in Kashmir but the danger is that the Chinese will stop at Srinagar. They would claim to have put India back in its place, given India a bloody nose and liberated the oppressed Kashmirs. They could then withdraw back into Ladakh.

The danger for Sikhs is their leaders instead of seeing the Chinese invasion as an opportunity, they will also go jingoistic just like they did in 1962 and 1965.

[VanHelsingh]

China and India don't want anything to stop their respective economic growth --- a war between the two would definitely hinder progress for both countries. To have come so far and to mess it all up is something the top brass from both countries would never entertain. There's too much at stake for both countries. These little border skirmishes have been going on for ages. This hope on our part that China kicks something off, which will then cause a chain reaction resulting in SIkhs somehow capitalising on such projected chaos is wishful thinking. Simply put both countries have a lot to lose and nothing to gain by entering into war with each other.

[genie]

The line of control between india and china is a perceived one india's line of control goes into chinese perceived territory and china's line of control goes into india's perceived territory so if it does come to some military action it would open the flood gates of all separatist movements within the indian union to agitate and break free if there is a long bitter war. Badal's punjab govt and kashmir govt has already raised the alarm at central govt to call for back up security to be increased.

The way i see it is now as an overall picture is American shadow CIA govt is doing its level best at checking china's growth militarily, politically and economically. So America is trying to put influence on its allies in south asia and south east asia to raise tensions in the area. China is a victim in these games as its investing loads in south america and africa (who are rich in natural resources) but china is dragon that will not be pushed around so its budgeted alot of money towards its armed forces as it knows the games the west is playing.

India is a side show that is flirting with america and russia both enemies of each other in terms of global dominance so america is putting pressure on india to pressure China on its borders. Russia and china have signed a pact that will mean greater military cooperation as they know the games the rothschild bank controlled western governments are playing first installing and supporting muslim terrorists al-qeada into nations then using then to destroy that nations stability and eventually install their own puppet leaders and also using muslim terrorists to bring in tougher laws and rules for surveillance at home not against the muslim terrorist threat but to deal with the threats posed by nation states such as china and russia.

Any war between India and China would be great news for the Sikh nation I just hope the REAL Sikh leadership is wise to make friends with china now as Indian Union has given them nothing but genocides and state terrorism so far.

[sat]

No sikh should fight to defend corrupt Hindu india let the brahmans defend it !

but sikhs should defend punjab only, but how we have no military or weapons and that is the tragedy a sikh army for sikhs and good people who want out of crap india is what we need to take control of punjab,haryana and delhi etc, if it came to it., and dont trust tuli ram this time kick his <banned word filter activated>,but that seems impossible. Keep hoping. :biggrin2:

[genie]

Another thing us Sikhs need to understand that until there is no instablity in the Indian Union and Pakistan things cant change for the trapped seperate nations seeking azaadi.

We see seperatist movements in sindh, baluchistan, gillgit, pasthunistan, azad kashmir, assam, tamil nadu, Khalistan, Manipur, Bodoland,etc,etc All these nations have people who want azaadi from artificially created entities of Pakistan and India Union. And if we look at the lessons from history it was only the invasions by the empire and forces of Persia under nadir shah that smashed Muslim Moghul govts hold on the Indian subcontinent that Sikhs were able to take advantage of sea of change and begin to live freely in punjab having skirmishes with Persian forces here and there but that set about the change that gave rise to Sikh misls forming who had independent kingdoms and together it formed the Sikh empire.

[Jonny101]

Historically larger Indian empires have always broken up or balkanized due to a foreign invasion. Another way is if one state manages to break free, this will have a domino effect where other states will also take advantage and break free as mentioned by proactive jee. There are many factors that can weaken and cause the down fall of the Indian union. The Naxalites in India are an organised army within India. The Kashmiri seperatist movement is supported by all Kashmiris and they will get a huge boost to their armed movement once Taliban eventually take over Afghanistan and start sending Jihadis to the next Dar Ul Harb i.e. Kashmir. In this task they will probably get help from Pakistan and maybe even China because for the last few years China is in an expansionist mood and they will likely want India to weaken so they can grab some more lands they are claiming from India. Besides Jihadis, China has the option of helping and arming the Naxalites.

But India to it's credit is also preparing. They are currently the worlds biggest buyer of arms and they are also creating domestically made advanced weaponry. They are preparing for a war with not Pakistan but with China. They know that Pakistan is no longer any match for India. It is China they are feeling danger from and it is to counter the Chinese threat they are buying arms like there is no tomorrow.

[VanHelsingh]

One thing I've never understood about India is how they stumble from one situation to another, without planning or any concrete, over-arching strategy, yet they still manage to fluke so much, lol. Stuff just happens and sorts itself out in the end. Or do they just give that impression so people underestimate them? :biggrin2:

[genie]

The most effective military force against Indian rule present day is the naxillite moaists because:

1) They are fighting a true Vietnam style war in the vast jungles and forest that they know well rather than urbanised area's where Indian intelligence and armed forces presence is strong and people are not free to rebel against Indian rule same thing in punjab and kashmir they are urbanised terrains with heavy Indian security presence

2) The populations in the east of india do not have much access to Indian state propaganda and do not trust delhi because of its discriminator polices towards them and rightly so.

3) covert support from china and nepal with training and arms supply.

[Gurpreet14]

The main question is who will win? I think China would U know what sikhs r.... We are born to fight for others. ...at last I m 100 % sure sikh would die to save the lives of others...so never think that we could get khalistan....We r emotional n sensitive people coz we follow a Guru who himself is follower of Humanity....

If we would have been like muslims...we would have claimed khalistan in 1947...n khalistan di aag eni thandi ni hundi.....

Let China attack India...Again khalsa will save India....