is dhunda doing katha in delhi gurudwara anymore?

[UKLondonSikh]

Mod Note - This post has been deleted. You did not provide any quotes from Dasam Granth Sahib.

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UKlondonsikh

I have asked you to provide references from Dasam Granth sahib that supports your allegations that arya samajis wrote this granth. You have not provided a single reference that supports your theory that this is a Granth that supports hinduism avtars and their way of worshipping.

In absence of that it is a sheer propaganda by a paid agent of Hindutva on a sikh forum in a language that seems sweet but it is poison laden. You have been warned by MOD not to say negative about Dasam bani and you have not provided a single line to buttress your allegations

Baba Khem singh Bedi was the main man who formed singh sabha and you call him an arya samaji.It seems you have gone insane.

Some quotes from Dasam granth sahib to debunk your theory that it is a Hindu Granth

ਜਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਹੂਏ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤਿ ਮੂਏ ॥<br />जिते राम हूए ॥ सभै अंति मूए ॥

All the Ramas who incarnated, ultimately passed away.

ਜਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਹੈਂ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤਿ ਜੈ ਹੈਂ ॥੭੦॥जिते क्रिसन ह्वै हैं ॥ सभै अंति जै हैं ॥७०॥

All the Krishnas, who had incarnated, have all passed away.70.

>ਜਿਤੇ ਦੇਵ ਹੋਸੀ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤ ਜਾਸੀ ॥<br />जिते देव होसी ॥ सभै अंत जासी ॥

All the gods who will come into being in future, they will all ultimately expire

ਕਾਲ ਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਭਯੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਸਿਵ ਕਾਲ ਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਭਯੋ ਜੁਗੀਆ ਹੈ ॥काल ही पाइ भयो ब्रहमा सिव काल ही पाइ भयो जुगीआ है ॥

At the instance of KAL, Brahma appeared and also at the instance of KAL the Yogi Shiva appeared.

ਕਾਲ ਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਸੁਰਾਸੁਰ ਗੰਧ੍ਰਬ ਜੱਛ ਭੁਜੰਗ ਦਿਸਾ ਬਿਦਿਸਾ ਹੈ ॥काल ही पाइ सुरासुर गंध्रब ज्छ भुजंग दिसा बिदिसा है ॥

At the instance of KAL, the gods, demons, Gandharvas, Yakshas, Bhujang, directions and indications have appeared.

ਔਰ ਸੁਕਾਲ ਸਭੈ ਬਸ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਕਾਲ ਅਕਾਲ ਸਦਾ ਹੈ ॥੮੪॥

और सुकाल सभै बस काल के एक ही काल अकाल सदा है ॥८४॥

All the other prevalent object are within KAL, only One supreme KAL is ever Timeless and eternal.84.

Bachitra natak, dasam granth sahib

UKlondonsikh writes

Can you bring me a single line where I have opposed the above "With determination, I will be triumphant" as Sikhi gives the greatest self-belief to all

Response

Above is from Chandi charitra, Dasam Granth sahib which your leader dhundha condemns. Do you know what you are writing here.

Do not criticize Anti Brahmin Dasam bani without providing proof from it that supports your allegations.To me you look like a UKLONdonRSS and not UKlondonsikh as it is RSS which say that make all population of India sikhs. That is dilution of definition of panth.

[UKLondonSikh]

Paji your accusations are pretty baseless and not worth responding to. You did not know Anandpur Sahib was attacked more than once and you are not even aware that Khem Bedi (Amitabh Bachchan's ancestor) founded the Sanatan Singh Sabha which was not the same as Giani Ditt Singh's real Singh Sabha. We can re-visit who Khem Bedi really was at another time.

The intellectual conversation is going nowhere so let's conclude with words from Bachittar Natak in Sri Dasam Granth

From Bachittar Natak (2: "My Story") Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji

ਅਬ ਮੈ ਕਹੋ ਸੁ ਅਪਨੀ ਕਥਾ ॥ ਸੋਢੀ ਬੰਸ ਉਪਜਿਯਾ ਜਥਾ ॥੮॥

Ab Mai Kaho Su Apnoo Kathaa|| Sodhoo Bans Oupjiyaa Jathaa||8||

अब मै कहो सु अपनी कथा ॥ सोढी बंस उपजिया जथा ॥८॥

Now I narrate my own life-story, how the Sodhi clan came into being (in this world).8.

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ਤਾ ਤੇ ਸੂਰਜ ਰੂਪ ਕੋ ਧਰਾ ॥ ਜਾ ਤੇ ਬੰਸ ਪ੍ਰਚੁਰ ਰਵਿ ਕਰਾ ॥

Taa Te Sooraj Roop Ko Dharaa|| Jaa Te Bans Prachur Rav(i) Karaa||

ता ते सूरज रूप को धरा ॥ जा ते बंस प्रचुर रवि करा ॥

From that (Aditi), the sun was born, from whom Suraj Vansh (the Sun dynasty) originated.

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ਜੋ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਕਹਿ ਨਾਮ ਸੁਨਾਊ ॥ ਕਥਾ ਬਢਨ ਤੇ ਅਧਿਕ ਡਰਾਊ ॥੧੯॥

Jo Tin Ke Kah(i) Naam Sounaaoo|| Kathaa Badhan Te Adhik Daraaoo||19||

जो तिन के कहि नाम सुनाऊ ॥ कथा बढन ते अधिक डराऊ ॥१९॥

If I describe the names of the kings of this of this clan, I fear a great extension of the story.19.

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ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਬੰਸ ਬਿਖੈ ਰਘੁ ਭਯੋ ॥ ਰਘੁਬੰਸਹਿ ਜਿਹ ਜਗਹਿ ਚਲਯੋ ॥

Tin Ke Bans Bikhai Raghu Bhayo|| Raghoubansah(i) Jih Jagad(i) Chalayo||

तिन के बंस बिखै रघु भयो ॥ रघुबंसहि जिह जगहि चलयो ॥

In this clan, there was a king named Raghu, who was the originator of Raghuvansh (the clan of Raghu) in the world.

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ਤਾ ਤੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਹੋਤ ਭਯੋ ਅਜ ਬਰ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਰਥੀ ਅਰ ਮਹਾ ਧਨੁਰ ਧਰ ॥੨੦॥

Taa Te Poutra Hot Bhayo Aj Bar|| Mahaa Rathoo Ar Mahaa Dhanur Dhar||20||

ता ते पुत्र होत भयो अज बर ॥ महा रथी अर महा धनुर धर ॥२०॥

He had a great son Aja, a mighty warrior and superb archer.20.

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ਜਬ ਤਿਨ ਭੇਸ ਜੋਗ ਕੋ ਲਯੋ ॥ ਰਾਜ ਪਾਟ ਦਸਰਥ ਕੋ ਦਯੋ ॥

Jab Tin Bhes Jog Ko Layo|| Raaj Paat Dasrath Ko Dayo||

जब तिन भेस जोग को लयो ॥ राज पाट दसरथ को दयो ॥

When he renounced the world as a Yogi, he passed on his kingdom to his son Dastratha.

16111 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੧

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ਹੋਤ ਭਯੋ ਵਹ ਮਹਾ ਧਨੁਰ ਧਰ ॥ ਤੀਨ ਤ੍ਰਿਆਨ ਬਰਾ ਜਿਹ ਰੁਚਿ ਕਰ ॥੨੧॥

Hot Bhayo Vah Mahaa Dhanur Dhar|| Toon Triaan Baraa Jih Rouch(i) Kar||21||

होत भयो वह महा धनुर धर ॥ तीन त्रिआन बरा जिह रुचि कर ॥२१॥

Who had been a great archer and had married three wives with pleasure.21.

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ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਜਯੋ ਤਿਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੁਮਾਰਾ ॥ ਭਰਥ ਲੱਛਮਨ ਸਤ੍ਰੁਬਿਦਾਰਾ ॥

Pritham Jayo Tih Raam Koumaaraa|| Bharath Lachchhman Satroubidaaraa||

प्रिथम जयो तिह राम कुमारा ॥ भरथ लछमन सत्रुबिदारा ॥

The eldest one gave birth to Rama, the others gave birth to Bharat, Lakshman and Shatrughan.

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ਬਹੁਤ ਕਾਲ ਤਿਨ ਰਾਜ ਕਮਾਯੋ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਸੁਰਪਰਹਿ ਸਿਧਾਯੋ ॥੨੨॥

Bahout Kaal Tin Raaj Kamaayo|| Kaal Paae Surpurah(i) Sidhaayo||22||

बहुत काल तिन राज कमायो ॥ काल पाइ सुरपरहि सिधायो ॥२२॥

They ruled over their kingdom for a long time, after which they left for their heavenly abode.22.

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ਸੀਅ ਸੁਤ ਬਹੁਰ ਭਏ ਦੁਇ ਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਰਾਜ ਪਾਟ ਉਨਹੀ ਕਉ ਛਾਜਾ ॥

Sooa Sout Bahur Bhae Due Raajaa|| Raaj Paat Ounhoo Kau Chhaadaa||

सीअ सुत बहुर भए दुइ राजा ॥ राज पाट उनही कउ छाजा ॥

After that the two sons of Sita (and Rama) became the kings.

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ਮੱਦ੍ਰ ਦੇਸ ਏਸ੍ਵਰਜਾ ਬਰੀ ਜਬ ॥ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਕੇ ਜੱਗ ਕੀਏ ਤਬ ॥੨੩॥

Maddra Des Esvarjaa Badoo Jab|| Bhaant(i) Bhaant(i) Ke Jagg Kooe Tab||23||

मद्र देस एस्वरजा बरी जब ॥ भांति भांति के जग कीए तब ॥२३॥

They married the Punjabi princesses and performed various types of sacrifices.23.

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ਤਹੀ ਤਿਨੇ ਬਾਂਧੇ ਦੁਇ ਪੁਰਵਾ ॥ ਏਕ ਕਸੂਰ ਦੁਤੀਯ ਲਹੁਰਵਾ ॥

Tahoo Tine Baandhe Due Purvaa|| Ek Kasoor Doutooya Lahurvaa||

तही तिने बांधे दुइ पुरवा ॥ एक कसूर दुतीय लहुरवा ॥

There they founded two cities, the one Kasur and the other Lahore.

16177 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੭

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ਅਧਿਕ ਪੁਰੀ ਤੇ ਦੋਊ ਬਿਰਾਜੀ ॥ ਨਿਰਖ ਲੰਕ ਅਮਰਾਵਤਿ ਲਾਜੀ ॥੨੪॥

Adhik Puroo Te Dooo Biraajoo|| Nirakh Lank Amraavat(i) Laajoo||24||

अधिक पुरी ते दोऊ बिराजी ॥ निरख लंक अमरावति लाजी ॥२४॥

Both the cities surpassed in beauty to that of Lanka and Amravati. 24.

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ਬਹੁਤ ਕਾਲ ਤਿਨ ਰਾਜ ਕਮਾਯੋ ॥ ਜਾਲ ਕਾਲ ਤੇ ਅੰਤ ਫਸਾਯੋ ॥

Bahout Kaal Tin Raaj Kamaayo|| Jaal Kaal Te Ant Phasaayo||

बहुत काल तिन राज कमायो ॥ जाल काल ते अंत फसायो ॥

For a long time, both the brothers ruled over their kingdom and ultimately they were bound down by the noose of death.

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ਤਿਨ ਤੇ ਪ੍ਰੱਤ੍ਰ ਪੌਤ੍ਰ ਜੇ ਵਏ ॥ ਰਾਜ ਕਰਤ ਇਹ ਜਗ ਕੋ ਭਏ ॥੨੫॥

Tin Te Pouttra Paoutra Je Vae|| Raj Karat Eh Jag Ko Bhae||25||

तिन ते प्रत्र पौत्र जे वए ॥ राज करत इह जग को भए ॥२५॥

After them their sons and grandson ruled over the world.25.

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ਕਹਾ ਲਗੇ ਤੇ ਬਰਨ ਸੁਨਾਊਂ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਸੰਖਯਾ ਪਾਊਂ ॥

Kahaa Lage Te Baran Sounaaoon|| Tin Ke Naam Na Sankhyaa Paaoon||

कहा लगे ते बरन सुनाऊं ॥ तिन के नाम न संखया पाऊं ॥

They were innumerable, therefore it is difficult to describe all.

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ਹੋਤ ਚਹੂੰ ਜੁਗ ਮੈਂ ਜੇ ਆਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਜਾਤ ਗਨਾਏ ॥੨੬॥

Hot Chahoon Joug Main Je Aae|| Tin Ke Naam Na Jaat Gadaae||26||

होत चहूं जुग मैं जे आए ॥ तिन के नाम न जात गनाए ॥२६॥

It is not possible to count the names of all those who ruled over their kingdoms in all the four ages.26.

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ਜੌ ਅਬ ਤਉ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਬਲ ਪਾਊਂ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਜਥਾ ਮਤਿ ਭਾਖ ਸੁਨਾਊਂ ॥

Jau Ab Tau Kirpaa Bal Paaoon|| Naam Jathaa Mat(i) Bhaakh Sounaaoon||

जौ अब तउ किरपा बल पाऊं ॥ नाम जथा मति भाख सुनाऊं ॥

If now you shower your grace upon me, I shall describe (a few) names, as I know them.

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ਕਾਲਕੇਤੁ ਅਰ ਕਾਲਰਾਇ ਭਨ ॥ ਜਿਨ ਤੇ ਭਏ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਘਰ ਅਨਗਨ ॥੨੭॥

Kaalket(u) Ar Kaalraae Bhan|| Jin Ke Bhae Poutra Ghar Anad||27||

कालकेतु अर कालराइ भन ॥ जिन ते भए पुत्र घर अनगन ॥२७॥

Kalket and Kal Rai had innumerable descendants.27.

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ਕਾਲਕੇਤੁ ਭਯੋ ਬਲੀ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ ਕਾਲਰਾਇ ਜਿਨਿ ਨਗਰ ਨਿਕਾਰਾ ॥

Kaalket(u) Bhayo Badoo Apaaraa|| Kaalraae Jin(i) Nagad Nikaaraa||

कालकेतु भयो बली अपारा ॥ कालराइ जिनि नगर निकारा ॥

Kalket was a mighty warrior, who drove out Kal Rai from his city.

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ਭਾਜ ਸਨੌਢ ਦੇਸ ਤੇ ਗਏ ॥ ਤਹੀ ਭੂਪਜਾ ਬਿਆਹਤ ਭਏ ॥੨੮॥

Bhaaj Sanaudh Des Te Gad|| Tahoo Bhoopjaa Biaahat Bhae||28||

भाज सनौढ देस ते गए ॥ तही भूपजा बिआहत भए ॥२८॥

Kal Rai settled in the country named Sanaudh and married the king’s daughter.28.

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ਤਿਹ ਤੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਭਯੋ ਜੋ ਧਾਮਾ ॥ ਸੋਢੀਰਾਇ ਧਰਾ ਤਿਹਿ ਨਾਮਾ ॥

Tih Te Poutra Bhayo Jo Dhaamaa|| Sodhooraae Dharaa Tih(i) Naamaa||

तिह ते पुत्र भयो जो धामा ॥ सोढीराइ धरा तिहि नामा ॥

A son was born to him, who was named Sodhi Rai.

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ਵੰਸ ਸਨੌਢ ਤਾ ਦਿਨ ਤੇ ਥੀਆ ॥ ਪਰਮ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਪ੍ਰਰਖ ਜੂ ਕੀਆ ॥੨੯॥

Vans Sanaudh Taa Din Te Thooaa|| Param Pavitra Purakh Joo Kooaa||29||

वंस सनौढ ता दिन ते थीआ ॥ परम पवित्र प्ररख जू कीआ ॥२९॥

Sodhi Rai was the founder of Sanaudh dynasty by the Will of the Supreme Purusha.29.

16284 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੭ ਪੰ. ੪

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ਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਪੌਤ੍ਰ ਹੋਇ ਆਏ ॥ ਤੇ ਸੋਢੀ ਸਭ ਜਗਤ ਕਹਾਏ ॥

Taan Te Poutra Paoutra Hoe Aae|| Te Sodhoo Sabh Jagad Kahaae||

तां ते पुत्र पौत्र होइ आए ॥ ते सोढी सभ जगत कहाए ॥

His sons and grandsons were called sodhis.

16295 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੭ ਪੰ. ੫

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ਜਗ ਮੈ ਅਧਿਕ ਸੁ ਭਏ ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧਾ ॥ ਦਿਨ ਦਿਨ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਧਨ ਕੀ ਬ੍ਰਿਧਾ ॥੩੦॥

Jag Mai Adhik Su Bhae Prasiddhaa|| Din Din Tin Ke Dhan Koo Briddhaa||30||

जग मै अधिक सु भए प्रसिधा ॥ दिन दिन तिन के धन की ब्रिधा ॥३०॥

They became very famous in the world and gradually prospered in wealth.30.

16306 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੭ ਪੰ. ੬

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ਰਾਜ ਕਰਤ ਭਏ ਬਿਬਿਧ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰਾ ॥ ਦੇਸ ਦੇਸ ਕੇ ਜੀਤ ਨ੍ਰਿਪਾਰਾ ॥

Raaj Karat Bhae Bibidh Prakaaraa|| Des Des Ke Jeet Nripaaraa||

राज करत भए बिबिध प्रकारा ॥ देस देस के जीत न्रिपारा ॥

They ruled over the country in various ways and subdued kings of many countries.

16317 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੭ ਪੰ. ੭

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ਜਹਾਂ ਤਹਾਂ ਤਿਹ ਧਰਮ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥ ਅੱਤ੍ਰ ਪੱਤ੍ਰ ਕਹ ਸੀਸ ਢੁਰਾਯੋ ॥੩੧॥

Jahaan Tahaan Tih Dharam Chalaayo|| Attra Pattra Kah Soos Dhuraayo||31||

जहां तहां तिह धरम चलायो ॥ अत्र पत्र कह सीस ढुरायो ॥३१॥

They extended their Dharma everywhere and had the royal canopy over their head.31.

16328 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੭ ਪੰ. ੮

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ਰਾਜਸੂਅ ਬਹੁ ਬਾਰਨ ਕੀਏ ॥ ਜੀਤ ਜੀਤ ਦੇਸੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਲੀਏ ॥

Raajsooa Bahu Baaran Kooe|| Jeet Jeet Desesvar Looe||

राजसूअ बहु बारन कीए ॥ जीत जीत देसेस्वर लीए ॥

They performed Rajasu sacrifice several times declaring themselves as supreme rulers, after conquering kings of various countries.

[GPS]

What does that prove? It proves nothing as claimed by you. Have you read the end of King ram's family at conclusion of these verses. Go on read that and it says that because of fight between them they were ruined and left with only twenty villages. It rather condemns family of King rama

Did not you read the end that says

ਧਨ ਅਰ ਭੂਮਿ ਪੁਰਾਤਨ ਬੈਰਾ ॥ ਜਿਨ ਕਾ ਮੂਆ ਕਰਤ ਜਗ ਘੇਰਾ ॥

धन अर भूमि पुरातन बैरा ॥ जिन का मूआ करत जग घेरा ॥

The world hath perished after quarrel on wealth and property from very olden times.

ਮੋਹ ਬਾਦ ਅਹੰਕਾਰ ਪਸਾਰਾ ॥ ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧ ਜੀਤਾ ਜਗ ਸਾਰਾ ॥੩੪॥

मोह बाद अहंकार पसारा ॥ काम क्रोध जीता जग सारा ॥३४॥

The attachment, ego and infights spread widely and the world was conquered by lust and anger.34.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਧੰਨਿ ਧੰਨਿ ਧਨ ਕੋ ਭਾਖੀਐ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਜਗਤੁ ਗੁਲਾਮੁ ॥

धंनि धंनि धन को भाखीऐ जा का जगतु गुलामु ॥

The mammon may hailed, who hath the whole world as her slave.

ਸਭ ਨਿਰਖਤ ਯਾ ਕੌ ਫਿਰੈ ਸਭ ਚਲ ਕਰਤ ਸਲਾਮ ॥੩੫॥

सभ निरखत या कौ फिरै सभ चल करत सलाम ॥३५॥

All the world goes in search for her and all go to salute her.35.

bachitra natak

You have not given me any quote that eulogises Hindu avtars.Here is another one condemning these avtars including King ram chandra

ਜੋ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥

जो चउबीस अवतार कहाए ॥

Those who are called twenty-four incarnations;

ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਨਿਕ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥

तिन भी तुम प्रभ तनिक न पाए ॥

O Lord ! they even could not realise thee in a small measure;

ਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਭਰਮੇ ਭਵ ਰਾਯੰ ॥

सभ ही जग भरमे भव रायं ॥

They became kings of the world and got deluded;

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਕਹਾਯੰ ॥੭॥

ता ते नाम बिअंत कहायं ॥७॥

Therefore they were called by innumerable names.7.

Chaubis avtar, Dasam Granth sahib

[UKLondonSikh]

Isn't associating the Sodhi family name with the Hindu God in human form Rama (Chander) enough of a eulogisation for you GPS Paji?

I suppose it boils down to the fact that you GPS Paji agree with the RSS, Arya Samaj and Khem Bedi that Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj was descended from the Hindu God in human form Rama (Chander). Anything associated with our Guru Sahib is automatically elevated and eulogised, whether you realise that or not GPS Paji.

I think it would be best if we both agree to disagree on this matter Paji and focus on others matters where we both agree.

[GPS]

Isn't associating the Sodhi family name with the Hindu God in human form Rama (Chander) enough of a eulogisation for you GPS Paji?

I suppose it boils down to the fact that you GPS Paji agree with the RSS, Arya Samaj and Khem Bedi that Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj was descended from the Hindu God in human form Rama (Chander). Anything associated with our Guru Sahib is automatically elevated and eulogised, whether you realise that or not GPS Paji.

I think it would be best if we both agree to disagree on this matter Paji and focus on others matters where we both agree.

No not at all. Guru ramdas ji has been mentioned as Sodhi patshah in Guru Granth sahib ji.Guru Amardass ji has been mentioned as from Bhalla dynasty. Simply saying that king ram was from this dynasty does not mean that Guru sahib was from that family.Understand the difference between dynasty and family.

Guru sahib condemns these avtars in strongest possible language.He is comparing worldly kings who fight for land and money like family of King rama finally decimating themselves and house of Guru nanak that prospers because of saintly acts. Read what He writes further to this

ਤਿਨ ਬੇਦੀਅਨ ਕੀ ਕੁਲ ਬਿਖੈ ਪ੍ਰਗਟੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਰਾਇ ॥

तिन बेदीअन की कुल बिखै प्रगटे नानक राइ ॥

Nanak Rai took birth in the Bedi clan.

ਸਭ ਸਿੱਖਨ ਕੋ ਸੁਖ ਦਏ ਜਹ ਤਹ ਭਏ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੪॥

सभ सि्खन को सुख दए जह तह भए सहाइ ॥४॥

He brought comfort to all his disciples and helped them at all times.4.

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

चौपई ॥

CHAUPAI

ਤਿਨ ਇਹ ਕਲ ਮੋ ਧਰਮੁ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥ ਸਭ ਸਾਧਨ ਕੋ ਰਾਹੁ ਬਤਾਯੋ ॥

तिन इह कल मो धरमु चलायो ॥ सभ साधन को राहु बतायो ॥

Guru Nanak spread Dharma in the Iron age and put the seekers on the path.

ਜੋ ਤਾਂ ਕੇ ਮਾਰਗ ਮਹਿ ਆਏ ॥ ਤੇ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸੰਤਾਏ ॥੫॥

जो तां के मारग महि आए ॥ ते कबहूं नहि पाप संताए ॥५॥

Those who followed the path propagated by him, were never harmed by the vices.5.

ਜੇ ਜੇ ਪੰਥ ਤਵਨ ਕੇ ਪਰੇ ॥ ਪਾਪ ਤਾਪ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਹਰੇ ॥

जे जे पंथ तवन के परे ॥ पाप ताप तिन के प्रभ हरे ॥

All those who came within his fold, they were absolved of all their sins and troubles,

ਦੂਖ ਭੂਖ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨ ਸੰਤਾਏ ॥ ਜਾਲ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਬੀਚ ਨ ਆਏ ॥੬॥

दूख भूख कबहूं न संताए ॥ जाल काल के बीच न आए ॥६॥

Their sorrows, their wants were vanished and even their transmigration came to and end.6.

ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਗਦ ਕੋ ਬਪੁ ਧਰਾ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਪ੍ਰਚੁਰ ਇਹ ਜਗ ਮੋ ਕਰਾ ॥

नानक अंगद को बपु धरा ॥ धरम प्रचुर इह जग मो करा ॥

Nanak transformed himself to Angad and spread Dharma in the world.

ਅਮਰਦਾਸ ਪੁਨਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥ ਜਨੁ ਦੀਪਕ ਤੇ ਦੀਪ ਜਗਾਯੋ ॥੭॥

अमरदास पुनि नामु कहायो ॥ जनु दीपक ते दीप जगायो ॥७॥

He was called Amar Das in the next transformation, a lamp was lit from the lamp.7.

ਜਬ ਬਰਦਾਨਿ ਸਮੈ ਵੁਹ ਆਵਾ ॥ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਤਬ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਹਾਵਾ ॥

जब बरदानि समै वुह आवा ॥ रामदास तब गुरू कहावा ॥

When the opportune time came for the boon, then the Guru was called Ram Das.

ਤਿਹ ਬਰਦਾਨਿ ਪੁਰਾਤਨਿ ਦੀਆ ॥ ਅਮਰਦਾਸਿ ਸੁਰਪੁਰਿ ਮਗੁ ਲੀਆ ॥੮॥

तिह बरदानि पुरातनि दीआ ॥ अमरदासि सुरपुरि मगु लीआ ॥८॥

The old boon was bestowed upon him, when Amar Das departed for the heavens.8.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਗਦਿ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਨਾ ॥ ਅਮਰਦਾਸ ਅੰਗਦ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥

स्री नानक अंगदि करि माना ॥ अमरदास अंगद पहिचाना ॥

Sri Nanak was recognized in Angad, and Angad in Amar Das.

ਅਮਰਦਾਸ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥ ਸਾਧਨ ਲਖਾ ਮੂੜ੍ਹ ਨਹਿ ਪਾਯੋ ॥੯॥

अमरदास रामदास कहायो ॥ साधन लखा मूड़्ह नहि पायो ॥९॥

Amar Das was called Ram Das, only the saints know it and the fools did not.9.

ਭਿੰਨ ਭਿੰਨ ਸਭਹੂੰ ਕਰ ਜਾਨਾ ॥ ਏਕ ਰੂਪ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥

भिंन भिंन सभहूं कर जाना ॥ एक रूप किनहूं पहिचाना ॥

The people on the whole considered them as separate ones, but there were few who recognized them as one and the same.

ਜਿਨ ਜਾਨਾ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਸਿਧ ਪਾਈ ॥ ਬਿਨ ਸਮਝੇ ਸਿਧਿ ਹਾਥਿ ਨ ਆਈ ॥੧੦॥

जिन जाना तिन ही सिध पाई ॥ बिन समझे सिधि हाथि न आई ॥१०॥

Those who recognized them as One, they were successful on the spiritual plane. Without recognition there was no success.10.

ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਹਰਿ ਸੋ ਮਿਲ ਗਏ ॥ ਗੁਰਤਾ ਦੇਤ ਅਰਜਨਿਹ ਭਏ ॥

रामदास हरि सो मिल गए ॥ गुरता देत अरजनिह भए ॥

When Ramdas merged in the Lord, the Guruship was bestowed upon Arjan.

Bachitra natak

Nowhere he writes that he descends as avtar of king rama.Now you are cooking up Hindu stories where they say Guru Gobind singh was avtar of vishnu. Show me where it is written in Dasam Granth sahib.Do not try to run away now.Show me the quote.

Was Rama not one of twenty four avtars of hindus? Yes he was.This is what he writes about him

ਜੋ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥

जो चउबीस अवतार कहाए ॥

Those who are called twenty-four incarnations;

ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਨਿਕ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥

तिन भी तुम प्रभ तनिक न पाए ॥

O Lord ! they even could not realise thee in a small measure;

ਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਭਰਮੇ ਭਵ ਰਾਯੰ ॥

सभ ही जग भरमे भव रायं ॥

They became kings of the world and got deluded;

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਕਹਾਯੰ ॥੭॥

ता ते नाम बिअंत कहायं ॥७॥

Therefore they were called by innumerable names.7.

Chaubis avtar

He also writes

ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥

स्वैया ॥

SWAYYA

ਪਾਂਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨਿਯੋ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤਿ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਿਯੋ ॥

पांइ गहे जब ते तुमरे तब ते कोऊ आंख तरे नही आनियो ॥ राम रहीम पुरान कुरान अनेक कहैं मति एक न मानियो ॥

O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight; none other is liked by me now; the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept any of their opinions;

ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਯੋ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਪਾਨਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਸਭ ਤੋਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਿਯੋ ॥੮੬੩॥

सिम्रिति सासत्र बेद सभै बहु भेद कहै हम एक न जानियो ॥ स्री असिपानि क्रिपा तुमरी करि मै न कहियो सभ तोहि बखानियो ॥८६३॥

The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe several mysteries of yours, but I do not agree with any of them. O sword-wielder God! This all has been described by Thy Grace, what power can I have to write all this?.863.

Ram avtar Dasam granth sahib

Between Fight of Rama with Ravna, Guru sahib writes he does not know who was saint and who was demon among them

ਸਾਧ ਅਸਾਧ ਜਾਨੋ ਨਹੀ ਬਾਦ ਸੁਬਾਦ ਬਿਬਾਦਿ ॥ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਕਲ ਪੂਰਣ ਕੀਯੋ ਭਗਵਤਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥੮੬੨॥

साध असाध जानो नही बाद सुबाद बिबादि ॥ ग्रंथ सकल पूरण कीयो भगवति क्रिपा प्रसादि ॥८६२॥

I do not know who was saint and unsaint among them as i do not want to indulge myself in such controversial debate; this whole Granth (book) has been completed by the Grace of God.862.

Ram avtar, Dasam granth sahib

[GPS]

Guru sahib on so called King rama

Rama as a king did expand his kingdom and ruled the people with four canons of politics, sam, dam, dandand sabheda. He also religiously followed and upheld the Vedic rules of the caste system.

ਬਹੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਕਰੋ ਰਾਜ ਕੋ ਸਾਜਾ ॥ ਦੇਸ ਦੇਸ ਕੇ ਜੀਤੇ ਰਾਜਾ ॥

ਸਾਮ ਦਾਮ ਅਰੁ ਦੰਡ ਸਭੇਦਾ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਬਿਧ ਹੁਤੀ ਸਾਸਨਾ ਬੇਦਾ ॥837॥

ਬਰਨ ਬਰਨ ਅਪਨੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਲਾਏ ॥ ਚਾਰ ਚਾਰ ਹੀ ਬਰਨ ਚਲਾਏ ॥

ਛਤ੍ਰੀ ਕਰੈਂ ਬਿਂਪ੍ਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ॥ ਬੈਸ ਲਖੈ ਛਂਤ੍ਰੀ ਕਹ ਦੇਵਾ ॥838॥ (ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਰਾਮਾਵਤਾਰ)

ram avtar, dasam granth

[UKLondonSikh]

GPS Paji do you (like Dhunda) deny that the Sodhi's are descendents of Hindu God in human form Rama (Chander)?

Yes or No?

Bachittar Natak

ਸੀਅ ਸੁਤ ਬਹੁਰ ਭਏ ਦੁਇ ਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਰਾਜ ਪਾਟ ਉਨਹੀ ਕਉ ਛਾਜਾ ॥

Sooa Sout Bahur Bhae Due Raajaa|| Raaj Paat Ounhoo Kau Chhaadaa||

सीअ सुत बहुर भए दुइ राजा ॥ राज पाट उनही कउ छाजा ॥

After that the two sons of Sita (and Rama) became the kings.

16155 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੫

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ਮੱਦ੍ਰ ਦੇਸ ਏਸ੍ਵਰਜਾ ਬਰੀ ਜਬ ॥ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਕੇ ਜੱਗ ਕੀਏ ਤਬ ॥੨੩॥

Maddra Des Esvarjaa Badoo Jab|| Bhaant(i) Bhaant(i) Ke Jagg Kooe Tab||23||

मद्र देस एस्वरजा बरी जब ॥ भांति भांति के जग कीए तब ॥२३॥

They married the Punjabi princesses and performed various types of sacrifices.23.

16166 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੬

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ਤਹੀ ਤਿਨੇ ਬਾਂਧੇ ਦੁਇ ਪੁਰਵਾ ॥ ਏਕ ਕਸੂਰ ਦੁਤੀਯ ਲਹੁਰਵਾ ॥

Tahoo Tine Baandhe Due Purvaa|| Ek Kasoor Doutooya Lahurvaa||

तही तिने बांधे दुइ पुरवा ॥ एक कसूर दुतीय लहुरवा ॥

There they founded two cities, the one Kasur and the other Lahore.

16177 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੭

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ਅਧਿਕ ਪੁਰੀ ਤੇ ਦੋਊ ਬਿਰਾਜੀ ॥ ਨਿਰਖ ਲੰਕ ਅਮਰਾਵਤਿ ਲਾਜੀ ॥੨੪॥

Adhik Puroo Te Dooo Biraajoo|| Nirakh Lank Amraavat(i) Laajoo||24||

अधिक पुरी ते दोऊ बिराजी ॥ निरख लंक अमरावति लाजी ॥२४॥

Both the cities surpassed in beauty to that of Lanka and Amravati. 24.

16188 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੮

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ਬਹੁਤ ਕਾਲ ਤਿਨ ਰਾਜ ਕਮਾਯੋ ॥ ਜਾਲ ਕਾਲ ਤੇ ਅੰਤ ਫਸਾਯੋ ॥

Bahout Kaal Tin Raaj Kamaayo|| Jaal Kaal Te Ant Phasaayo||

बहुत काल तिन राज कमायो ॥ जाल काल ते अंत फसायो ॥

For a long time, both the brothers ruled over their kingdom and ultimately they were bound down by the noose of death.

16199 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੯

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ਤਿਨ ਤੇ ਪ੍ਰੱਤ੍ਰ ਪੌਤ੍ਰ ਜੇ ਵਏ ॥ ਰਾਜ ਕਰਤ ਇਹ ਜਗ ਕੋ ਭਏ ॥੨੫॥

Tin Te Pouttra Paoutra Je Vae|| Raj Karat Eh Jag Ko Bhae||25||

तिन ते प्रत्र पौत्र जे वए ॥ राज करत इह जग को भए ॥२५॥

After them their sons and grandson ruled over the world.25.

162010 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੧੦

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ਕਹਾ ਲਗੇ ਤੇ ਬਰਨ ਸੁਨਾਊਂ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਸੰਖਯਾ ਪਾਊਂ ॥

Kahaa Lage Te Baran Sounaaoon|| Tin Ke Naam Na Sankhyaa Paaoon||

कहा लगे ते बरन सुनाऊं ॥ तिन के नाम न संखया पाऊं ॥

They were innumerable, therefore it is difficult to describe all.

162111 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੧੧

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ਹੋਤ ਚਹੂੰ ਜੁਗ ਮੈਂ ਜੇ ਆਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਜਾਤ ਗਨਾਏ ॥੨੬॥

Hot Chahoon Joug Main Je Aae|| Tin Ke Naam Na Jaat Gadaae||26||

होत चहूं जुग मैं जे आए ॥ तिन के नाम न जात गनाए ॥२६॥

It is not possible to count the names of all those who ruled over their kingdoms in all the four ages.26.

162212 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੧੨

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ਜੌ ਅਬ ਤਉ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਬਲ ਪਾਊਂ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਜਥਾ ਮਤਿ ਭਾਖ ਸੁਨਾਊਂ ॥

Jau Ab Tau Kirpaa Bal Paaoon|| Naam Jathaa Mat(i) Bhaakh Sounaaoon||

जौ अब तउ किरपा बल पाऊं ॥ नाम जथा मति भाख सुनाऊं ॥

If now you shower your grace upon me, I shall describe (a few) names, as I know them.

162313 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੧੩

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ਕਾਲਕੇਤੁ ਅਰ ਕਾਲਰਾਇ ਭਨ ॥ ਜਿਨ ਤੇ ਭਏ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਘਰ ਅਨਗਨ ॥੨੭॥

Kaalket(u) Ar Kaalraae Bhan|| Jin Ke Bhae Poutra Ghar Anad||27||

कालकेतु अर कालराइ भन ॥ जिन ते भए पुत्र घर अनगन ॥२७॥

Kalket and Kal Rai had innumerable descendants.27.

162414 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬ ਪੰ. ੧੪

ਕਾਲਕੇਤੁ ਭਯੋ ਬਲੀ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ ਕਾਲਰਾਇ ਜਿਨਿ ਨਗਰ ਨਿਕਾਰਾ ॥

Kaalket(u) Bhayo Badoo Apaaraa|| Kaalraae Jin(i) Nagad Nikaaraa||

कालकेतु भयो बली अपारा ॥ कालराइ जिनि नगर निकारा ॥

Kalket was a mighty warrior, who drove out Kal Rai from his city.

16251 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੭ ਪੰ. ੧

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ਭਾਜ ਸਨੌਢ ਦੇਸ ਤੇ ਗਏ ॥ ਤਹੀ ਭੂਪਜਾ ਬਿਆਹਤ ਭਏ ॥੨੮॥

Bhaaj Sanaudh Des Te Gad|| Tahoo Bhoopjaa Biaahat Bhae||28||

भाज सनौढ देस ते गए ॥ तही भूपजा बिआहत भए ॥२८॥

Kal Rai settled in the country named Sanaudh and married the king’s daughter.28.

16262 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੭ ਪੰ. ੨

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ਤਿਹ ਤੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਭਯੋ ਜੋ ਧਾਮਾ ॥ ਸੋਢੀਰਾਇ ਧਰਾ ਤਿਹਿ ਨਾਮਾ ॥

Tih Te Poutra Bhayo Jo Dhaamaa|| Sodhooraae Dharaa Tih(i) Naamaa||

तिह ते पुत्र भयो जो धामा ॥ सोढीराइ धरा तिहि नामा ॥

A son was born to him, who was named Sodhi Rai.

16273 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੭ ਪੰ. ੩

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ਵੰਸ ਸਨੌਢ ਤਾ ਦਿਨ ਤੇ ਥੀਆ ॥ ਪਰਮ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਪ੍ਰਰਖ ਜੂ ਕੀਆ ॥੨੯॥

Vans Sanaudh Taa Din Te Thooaa|| Param Pavitra Purakh Joo Kooaa||29||

वंस सनौढ ता दिन ते थीआ ॥ परम पवित्र प्ररख जू कीआ ॥२९॥

Sodhi Rai was the founder of Sanaudh dynasty by the Will of the Supreme Purusha.29.

16284 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੭ ਪੰ. ੪

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ਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਪੌਤ੍ਰ ਹੋਇ ਆਏ ॥ ਤੇ ਸੋਢੀ ਸਭ ਜਗਤ ਕਹਾਏ ॥

Taan Te Poutra Paoutra Hoe Aae|| Te Sodhoo Sabh Jagad Kahaae||

तां ते पुत्र पौत्र होइ आए ॥ ते सोढी सभ जगत कहाए ॥

His sons and grandsons were called sodhis.

[GPS]

I did say that King rama's dynasty was sodhi. Did not you read that.Then you wrote as below

Isn't associating the Sodhi family name with the Hindu God in human form Rama (Chander) enough of a eulogisation for you GPS Paji?

My response was no not at all. It is a comparison between earthly Kings and sikhs who follow path of saintlyhood. King rama is not recognised as a saint in Dasam Granth sahib. Dasam Granth does not acknowledge these Hindu avtars as Godly persons.

Obviously it does not eulogise Him at all. Dasam Granth sahib condemns him as written earlier. Read below definition of devta in Dasam granth sahib

ਸਾਧ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਪੁਰਖ ਕਮਾਵੈ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਜਗਤ ਕਹਾਵੈ ॥

साध करम जे पुरख कमावै ॥ नाम देवता जगत कहावै ॥

Because of virtuous actions, a purusha (person) is known as devta (god)

ਕੁਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਕਰਹੀ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਅਸੁਰ ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਸਭ ਧਰਹੀ ॥੧੫॥

कुक्रित करम जे जग मै करही ॥ नाम असुर तिन को सभ धरही ॥१५॥

And because of evil actions, he is known as asura (demon).15.

Bachitra natak

King rama did not start human race here.he simply belonged to an existing clan.

Guru sahib writes that these so called devtas failed in their duty assigned by God and hence he was sent to uphold righteousness.He condemns dynasty consideration as below

ਜੇ ਜੇ ਜੀਯ ਜਾਤਨ ਤੇ ਡਰੈ ॥ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਤਜਿ ਤਿਨ ਮਗਿ ਪਰੈ ॥

जे जे जीय जातन ते डरै ॥ परम पुरख तजि तिन मगि परै ॥

Those who fear the castes and follow their path, abandoning the Supreme Lord.

ਤੇ ਤੇ ਨਰਕ ਕੁੰਡ ਮੋ ਪਰਹੀ ॥ ਬਾਰ ਬਾਰ ਜਗ ਮੋ ਬਪੁ ਧਰਹੀ ॥੨੨॥

ते ते नरक कुंड मो परही ॥ बार बार जग मो बपु धरही ॥२२॥

They fall into hell and transmigrate again and again.22.

Bachitra natak

[UKLondonSikh]

GPS = I did say that King rama's dynasty was sodhi.

UK = Thanks for clarifying on the above GPS Paji and confirming that you agree with RSS, Shiv Sena and Arya Samaj on that