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Status Of Women In Different Religions - Say Thanks To God To Make To Sikh Women


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This world and most of the religions discriminate between Males and Females - I am OP of this Thread I am a Female..... I question some religions of this world for the way they interpret women...........

Buddhism Says:

“Women can be the cause of great suffering.
If desire is destroyed, there will be everlasting happiness.
The dead snake and dog are detestable,
But women are even more detestable than they are.”

Christianity

We can easily find quotations of women’s oppression from the Bible , for example, I Timothy 2.11-12, where it says “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” In Ephesian 5.22-24, Paul says, “Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as unto the Lord….” And further, “The head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man”…. Man is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of the man.” The apostle Peter says (in I Peter 3.1-2,6) that let wives “be in subjection to your own husbands” and have “chaste conversation coupled with fear.”

Judaism

Even to this day many devout Jewish men recite in their prayers, “Blessed by God King of the universe that Thou has not made me a women.” Ecclesiasticus is simply rampant with religious edicts against women. According to Jewish tradition, a husband owns his wife as he owns a slave. To this day many husbands deny their wives any control over their property and their earnings. When she married, not only did the wife lose her property, she lost her personality also! Under Jewish law, a husband can divorce his wife any time. But a woman cannot without very strong reasons such as unfulfilled conjugal responsibilities. Worse still, a husband can desert his wife any time and then refuse to grant his wife a divorce. In this case she becomes an agunah – a chained woman. Neither can she divorce, nor can she remarry. In the US today there are maybe 1000-1500 such agunot while in Israel there are more than 15,000. Husbands blackmail their deserted wives for thousands of dollars, finally agreeing to a divorce.“ How is it that Jewish sisters everywhere tolerate this abuse, this persecution – this extreme injustice?

Islam

Ibn Al-Ghazzali, the famous Islamic theologian said that “The most satisfying and final word on the matter is that marriage is a form of slavery. The woman is man’s slave and her duty therefore is absolute obedience to the husband in all that he asks of her person.”

Dr. Nawal Sa’dawi is a Muslim woman who has rebelled against her own religion and its oppression of women. She has written that it is not possible to talk about rights of women, “…since a woman under the Islamic system of marriage has no human rights unless we consider that a slave has rights under a slavery system. Marriage, in so far as women are concerned, is just like slavery to the slave, or the chains of serfdom to the serf.” Marriage is a kind of slavery, for the wife becomes the slave of her husband, and it is her duty absolutely to obey him in everything he requires of her…”

Hinduism

Young Hindu girls when given in marriage could be abandoned at will. Quoting from Manu Smrti IX.72: “Though a man may have accepted a damsel in due form, he may abandon her if she be blemished, diseased or deflowered, and (if she have been) given with fraud.” Such girls, thrown out by their husbands, led a pitiable life as outcastes of society. Yet Brahmin men were free to engage in debauchery with devadasis any time they wanted! Subscribing to Hinduism means being a “mindless male supremacist pig”!

Sikhism

Views of the Gurus
Guru Nanak

Guru Nanak broke the shackles of women by admitting them into the sangat (congregation) without any restrictions or reservations. Guru Nanak felt that his message was meant as much for women as for men.

Guru Angad
Guru Angad encouraged the education of all Sikhs, men and women.

Guru Amar Das
Guru Amar Das condemned the cruel custom of sati, female infanticide and advocated widow remarriage. Guru Amar Das also believed that women wearing veils (purdah) was demeaning. The Guru refused to meet the queen of Haripur or to allow any women into the congregation wearing a veil.

Guru Hargobind
Guru Hargobind respected women and declared, "women is the conscience of man".

Guru Gobind Singh
Guru Gobind Singh made the Khalsa initiation ceremony open to men and women alike, a woman being just as worthy. At the time of Amrit a man is given the name Singh meaning lion, the woman is given the name Kaur, meaning Princess. A Sikh women is an individual in her own right, she does not have to take her husband's name and is Kaur till her death. Guru Gobind Singh did not see any distinction between the Khalsa, men or women could keep the 5 K's. Guru Gobind Singh issued orders forbidding the Khalsa having any association with those that practiced female infanticide. Guru Gobind Singh also forbade Sikhs to exercise any proprietary rights over women captured in battle, they could not be kept as slaves or wives but were to be treated with the utmost respect.

I AM A KAUR NOT A NORMAL FEMALE - I AM DAUGHTER OF THOSE GURU WHO ARE NOT BIASED - I ENJOY KEEPING MY HEAD IN THE LAP OF MY GURUS - I AM NOT HATED FOR WHAT I AM - I AM LUVED TO BE CALLED HIS DAUGHTER - Why should I bow my head in-front of those who think I am evil... :nono: :nono:

Yes i will help those in need whether they are muslims/hindus/chritains etc. coz my Gurus taught me to do so.... please keep me away from such people who says I am evil/slave... I am not slave/evil I am a beautiful creation of Almighty. :D :yay:

I AM BLESSED TO BE SIKH OF MY GURUS BY AKAL PURAKH :lol2: :lol2: :respect: :respect: WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, WAHEGURU G KI FATEH

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Why do Muslim men force women to wear Hijab in the west, but they themselves don't cover their heads? I deeply respect Muslim sisters who cover their head.

An opposite extreme is I see guys usually wearing dastar (more youth bibian are wearing dastar or wearing a chunni full time now though), I think the reason is because we don't force someone to do this so people usually choose to modernize and then if they want to, they do it on their own which means a lot more.

Bibi Shanti Kaur does a good job of explaining how some brahmanical practices are still being followed and need to be stopped:

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Why do Muslim men force women to wear Hijab in the west, but they themselves don't cover their heads?

They don't.

Exceptions are in every case, but 99.9% of Muslim women who wear Hijab do it by their own free will...

How can Muslims in West "force" girls to do something? Duh. C'mon.

Its like saying "Why do you sikhs force your people to not cut any hair?" ...

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They don't.

Exceptions are in every case, but 99.9% of Muslim women who wear Hijab do it by their own free will...

How can Muslims in West "force" girls to do something? Duh. C'mon.

Its like saying "Why do you sikhs force your people to not cut any hair?" ...

really?

how did u get to the 99.9% figure?

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They don't.

Exceptions are in every case, but 99.9% of Muslim women who wear Hijab do it by their own free will...

How can Muslims in West "force" girls to do something? Duh. C'mon.

Its like saying "Why do you sikhs force your people to not cut any hair?" ...

You can use emotional blackmail. Community shuns a person who takes off her hijab, I have personally seen this occur here in California where it's supposed to be pretty liberal, imagine a place like UK. I know woman do take pride in wearing a Hijab now, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's out of "free will". Yes, of course some do it out of "free will", but that also brings the subject as to why the double standard? Many girls do it merely because they don't want to face the negative stigma that relates to taking it off and would prefer to be a part of a community rather than be shunned.

Why don't men cover their hair in the west? Don't you find that to be hypocritical and unequal that only women are expected cover their hair here?

Can you provide me with empirical data that 99.9% of Muslim women who wear Hijab do it on their own free will. Would like to see the statistics behind these very impressive numbers. :giggle:

Oh yeah, some Neuro scientists like Sam Harris will go as far to say that free will doesn't really exist, so how would you justify that? Free will is a pretty strong statement, even if you don't believe there is no such thing as free will.

In short, it's a disservice to the definition of what free will really is...

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They don't.

Exceptions are in every case, but 99.9% of Muslim women who wear Hijab do it by their own free will...

How can Muslims in West "force" girls to do something? Duh. C'mon.

Its like saying "Why do you sikhs force your people to not cut any hair?" ...

Dear Pakistani Punjabi Brother,

My knowledge on Islam/Muslims is very less, however what ever it is, is mostly coming from these sort of URLs / Videos, and one of the URL is below -

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/women.htm

The Facts on this URL might be totally wrong, hence please provide your views with specific quotes from various Islamic texts refuting the facts listed in this URL. Please provide factual quotes and not just statements.

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